Stupid security scripts

There are over 129,000 active users in SL, what did you expect?

Please explain your message?? It is so intelligent! Ah what is a Foamy? A rabid dog?

Yours is not the only correct way to use Second Life. I play SL for the ability to do stuff. You're quite correct I could use IM... if what I wanted was the social aspect. So I turn the question back at you... If you so much want your social aspect, why don't you save money and use IM?



You could not possibly ban every user who uses a security script, so to selectivly ban them based on responses here seems... petty, somehow.

You can use the two provided functions. llEjectFromLand and llTeleportAgentHome. That is it. Anything else is a ticket to Bansville.

SAM = No no.



Residents are always welcome in the public areas of my builds.

Which are at ground level, up to around 150 meters. It's a big build.

They are not welcome in my workshop, and that is made fairly apparent.

I like to meet new people, IMing is for people you already know. SL is for meeting new people.

My ban list is not very large, still lots of room on it! Petty perhaps but am I suppose to be wronged and do nothing about it?

Pitty about not being able to use an active defense, will still ask a Linden. Pitty there will not be the sight of a PAC III system under the flag of Japan, sigh

Problem, sometimes it is impossible to determine what is private and what is public. I like my idea of "public airways" for residents to be able to fly without fear. There will aslo have to be some sort of navigation aids and "no fly zones" clearly marked.

Also I have no wish to visit your workshop. Unless there is really bad lag and it is about 200 meters AGL, you will never see me. Most of my Tarn flights are to work on my spaceship

IRC then.



Nobody has personally wronged you.



Public airways:

Void sims at any altitude
Non-void sims above ((768+30) - llGround()) meters

Anything else is fly at your own risk.



Never the less, apparently a great many people do. Hence why I used to run (And still have around, just unused ATM) a security script to keep people from dropping in for a visit... or, at least, from staying for more than 10 seconds after they do

The distinction between public and private spaces is an important part of real life cities. Every property in RL has areas that are public (footpath in front, other rights-of-way), semi-public (walkway, driveway, front lawn), semi-private (back garden, balconies, visible interior spaces), and private (bedrooms, bathrooms, invisble interior spaces). SL really has no private spaces, and most sims are set up with no public spaces either... it's all semi-public or semi-private... and even the semi-private spaces are more public than private... the most you can do is put up ugly curtains that people can see through with x-ray glasses...

In Snow Crash, in Gibson's novels, in just about an book describing VR, all the way back to True Names, you have public and private spaces. Private spaces are not in the "geometry" of the world. You might enter them from the world, but you can't walk into them from the virtual world, or out of them into the world, the only way through is under the control of software created by the owner of the space.

Every parcel should include a corresponding private space, explicitly. It might have a negative altitude or something, but it could only be accessed by an LSL call that has to be run from a script controlled by the owner (or a group officer). Even using the editing tools and entering special magic numbers wouldn't get you into the private space, and the edges of the parcel in the private space would look into a void.

Put your bedroom there. You walk through the bedroom door and a volume-detect tosses you into the private space, if you're invited.

Hi! I usually stear clear of the forums, but griefers have become more and more of a problem for us, so this caught my attention.

I have security system *only* because of griefers, and I am thankful that the guy who made it kindly told me how to turn off the warning. If someone is attacked by our security system it is because of their outright griefing, not for any privacy concerns. At first the warning was on, and we quickly learned the hard way that a 10 second warning was plenty enough time for ppl to come back and shoot/bomb everyone out. So I'd have to say that I agree with Travis that there are many shades of grey in this issue.

Just my two cents

Real world examples do not apply to second life cases until you can show me a direct parallell where the laws are the same. In your case, show me a real world case involving a tarn and airflight. If you can't don't bother bringing real world examples in.


As for Foamy, as obviously you are deprived, he is a very angry squirrel, whose web animations may be found at http://www.illwillpress.com The site has some mature language and themes, so excercise caution. I assume those present on the forums ar eof legal age to hear swear words but censor them anyway due to the sensitivites some have.

I like Foamy..I want a foamy avatar now.

Jonas, English is not her first language I don't believe. Be a little forgiving.

If english is not their first language they seem to know plenty of the US's regulations and customs. Perhaps I was a bit harsh though, at least I didn't outright go off on them.

~smiles~

These threads are never about people trying to work a mutually agreeable soution. They are, however, always about insisting one way is the right way.

Warning of private space - visual or otherwise - is obviously too much to ask.

This reduces safe air travel to: Fly straight up to 870+ meters. Travel through totally blank space to destination. Fly straight down to land.

Aircraft will only rarely be used for travel under these conditions. Far too much of an inconvenience, to little fun.

I'm going to be told, in effect, "too bad". Reasons for saying that will include such things as "majority rules" and "right to privacy".

SL is a fabulously broad platform - if it worked exactly as intended the possibilities for play would truly be endless. Inevitably under such broad boundaries, people's wishes will come into conflict with other people's wishes. The most logical way to deal with that is to try and find some way to compromise. More often than not there is a way for everyone to get what they want, even if it's limited in some way by the compromise.

But people deal with it emotionally. They want what they want and since this is all play, they never feel a need to compromise. I mean, it's a game, why's everyone taking it so seriously, right?

Sic utere tuo ut alienum non laedas.

I was told by a Linden that a 10 second warning must be issued or it is abuse. Well I can and did use the land tool to ban certain alvatars. I refuse to issue a blanket ban on my property.

Can you explain no no warning home systems now?

Name the Linden.

She means Lee, probably, and he was outlining not policy, but what he thought worked best.

S'what I thought. ^.-

Mia Linden and excuse my english a lot of it was learned by watching channel 8, the armed forces radio and television service. It is a TV channel for the Americans stationed on Okinawa, Japan. I did go to college in America where I got a private pilots license. I keep current by flying at least once a year. The classes for the written part really pound the regulations into a person!

No fears Ranma, however until LL makes an official posting on this subject formally, I'm simply not ready to take a proxy posting from what one Mia Linden (a liaison not a policy maker) may or may not have said as to the interval of warning needed. Sorry.

Whatever....... Might makes right, so very American, sigh. Just because you can get away with something does not make it right. Looks like I am trapped on my property or having to resort to TPing between places because of paroniod residents. It is funny how a few people can ruin things for the majority. my days of free flight are over.

Unfortunately you won't see those regulations in force in sl Ranma.. like it or not the Lindens already defines free fly space and personal property.

Do you mean in the same sense that they define developer incentives and telehub avatar traffic funnel points?

There is no "free fly" space in SL, none. No place to enjoy flying without risking diaster. 768 meters takes too long to reach and there is nothing to see when you get there. Probally would get shot down anyway.

The Lindens wont do anything to the big customers. Ah well, I can harp my discontent here. Call it what you will but thought Americans cherished "free speach"? If I deployed a security script that offended them, I would get banned, so much for "equal protection" under the law. They can do what they want to me without worry.

This is my last message on this thread, no matter what I say it dosnt make a difference

Considering noone can agree on who should get DI, i think they did well. No it wasn't all artistic..but a club is as much content as an art show, to different people.

As far as telehubs, I wouldnt have visted any shops near them, but there was p2p teleport when I came on

Welp, all's I know is that SL is not among the friendliest of virtual environments.

I often get into trouble with this charming friend I have who is quite whimsical and fun-loving, and adventurous as well. And I have another friend like that, too. When the three of us are together - uh-oh.

We might, for example, decide to investigate a military installation - which, I might add, is empty, unlocked, and with no ban lines. Whereupon after a bit a resident of this installation comes swooping in demanding to know what we are up to.

Or we might get into a little minor and totally harmless role-play somewhere, and role-play isn't received just real well among, I would say, at least half of the population. Guess we need to take things SERIOUSLY.

Oh well.

coco

Ya know, I don't buy the hyperbole. I agree poorly designed security scripts suck, but your days of free flight are not over unless you decide they are. I fly all over the place in SL.

Its not, by the way, might makes right. It's "Owners rights trump non-owners rights".

Much above 768 is safe, you wouldn't get shot down. It is free fly space, regardless of what you think, and even in my slowest vehicles it takes less than 30 seconds to reach that altitude... Most can do it in <10.




Oh, nonsense. This isn't a free speach issue in any form. First of all, you don't have free speach here - Second Life is a private environment. Private place = No right to free speach. Second of all, right to speak does not equal right to be heard, or right to be obeyed. You're free to say what you think all you like - You've been doing so for like 9 pages new. Just because LL isn't doing what you want doesn't make this a free-speach issue.




Also nonsense. As long as you followed the same rules they did, you would be fine.