Stupid security scripts

Just out of curiousity, what does "C4" do in SL? It's not like you can destroy/alter other people's objects. Is this griefer planting things that throw up lots of particle effects and make noise? How often does this happen anyway? Why didn't the "ban these users from this parcel" box work?

As for people dropping by randomly, I guess I'm just unpopular. I've never had a problem with that. I can't imagine dropping into one of those noob houses you see literally all over the place. You know the one I mean, with the big outward sloping bay window in the front and a second level that you have to fly to reach.

OTOH, if you were in a skybox at 500m with PRIVATE plastered all over it, well, I don't know how many people could resist peeking in on that. I do firmly believe that security scripts should be deactivated when you're not home. There is absolutely no reason to send someone home for flying over your vacant house.

15 seconds is not enough time and what gives you the right to control the airspace above your property from 0 to as high as people go? Also what type of business can you have if you are ejecting and or killing all or the patrons? (One of my American co-workers confirmed the phrase "send home" is to kill.

I suppose I need to have a shield made for Umi Chan and myself to protect us from the power abusive! There is no other options available. The Lindens will not help!

I do not think you understand what he is attempting to say, please allow me to explain.

The type of script he is referring to is one manually triggered by the owner. It is used if someone on your property is causing a disturbance, and sends them to their home point. If they are already greifing you or your friends, they do not deserve a warning. They are already being rude. There is no reason for the Lindens to help anyone ejected in this manner for it is justified.

I would also like to point out that in Second Life, 'send home' is to simply send them to their home point. I am not even familiar with it being a slang term for killing. It certainly is not in this case.

Its happened. And I was on their land (by accident). its their right, it works far better than simple ejection while not harming anyone. Besides if you had a 15 second warning, you should be able to clear the property. Not to be crass, but call someone who cares.



I think you're a whiny little fellow who assumes much. perhaps you going over my land ruins the game for me? Don't be selfish. I like to fly my plane but I don't say it ruins my game..it just gives me a puzzle to get past.



I'm american and i've never heard that definition, I always assumed it meant to send soemone to their house/home location. I guess simple english is beyond americans, eh? Either that or your coworker isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

As for where the "right" comes from, I look at it this way...

The LL gave us tools for this purpose. llTeleportAgentHome and llEjectAgent (Names might be slightly off, it's been a while). These are the specificly sanctioned tools for controlling access to land. They are not useful for *anything* but controlling access to land. They are, therefor, as much a valid tool of land control as the red bars.

And LL designed them in such a way that they can be used to protect my lab in the sky.

I say, then, LL has given me the "right" to do it.

Ranma, respectfully - you are missing my point. Unless you are a griefer, you would not be affected by any security script employed by me.

I am not interested in keeping out my guests. I am not interested in securing my "airspace". I am talking about short-range security scripts that only function within the confines of my building. My script does not interrupt flyby traffic, and will only act upon you if you identify yourself as being a griefer through your actions.

If you're just verbally harrasing, you can plan on getting plenty of warnings before I eject you. However, if you're shooting my guests, or otherwise causing a large disturbance, you're not going to get a warning.

There are a small minority of people in Second Life who are not interested in being friendly. There are a small minority of folks who *get off* on creating a distrubance, watching people react, and get a charge out of making people upset.

C4 does more than just display irritating particles on your screen. It also has the effect of blowing all of my patrons into the next sim. It takes less than 10 seconds to plant a C4 bomb. Yes, I can file an abuse report. Yes, I can call for a Liason. And believe me, I do. But the problem is, griefers don't care about that.

The vast majority of serious grief I deal with is perpetrated by accounts that are 1 day old. The threat of an abuse report, or being banned is not a deterrant to someone that new.

Do you like hanging out in places that are getting griefed? Is it fun to spend time there?
If you were at a dance, and you got bombed into the next sim, would you return?

Most importantly, as the operator of an event venue, I consider it my responsibility to protect my visitors from grief. The land tools we are provided with today are completely and utterly insufficient. Until that issue is corrected, the only option available to me is to employ a security script.

It is unfortunate that those who want privacy in Second Life have misused their security scripts to the point of making them universally unpopular. If you haven't experienced a grief attack in SL, count your blessings. But - just because no one is around when the tree falls in the forest, does not mean that it doesn't make a sound.

C4 doesn't harm objects, as you said. However, it works like an Area-of-Effect Bomb, and launches everyone within its radius 300m away. It is most irritating. Typically when I've been the target of that sort of attack, it clears the room - and only half of my visitors actually come back.


Honestly, not too often. Maybe once a month, if not less. But *once* is enough to absolutely ruin an evening for both me, and my guests.


Primarily, because "Ban these users from this parcel" has a height limit. Because my build is into a mountainside, the height limit is already exceeded even though we're flat on the 'ground'.


The reason why Teleport Home is effective, is because many grief attacks are random. Unless I'm being specifically targeted, its just a case of the griefer happeneing to randomly find us - and decided that we would be his/her victim.

When you teleport a griefer home, from my experience they don't take the time to return. They just move on and grief someone else. That's why its more effective than anything else. Even with Pont-to-Point teleporting, its still a chore for the griefer to find us again on the map, or look us up. Its just less work to move on and find another target. Hopefully before they do, my abuse reports will have caught up with them.

I just wanna know where Lewis got his shuttle craft.

i use tp home around my workshop for a simple reason, if i eject you, you will be curious and try again til you can pass fst enough to go quicker than the script, same if i push you
if you tried to join my workshop and you get tped home you probably had nothing to do up there, the shop is at ground level aswell as anything worth of interest for you , you have nothing to do at 500 meter high

What if I'm just flying through in a plane? Do you give adaquet warning / time to avoid?

Travis San, If you are talking about defending your building and property from know problems that is a different matter. I was refering to those scripts that go after everone in there property and those above it.

I sometimes circle an interesting object but if even I get the hint of residents wanting privacy leave them.

I have been in clubs that have been attacked and it is anoying to say the least. The Lindens dont always arrive quickly. I have never seen a Linden arrive and get a griefer in the act. Ah I get it now! I am a bit slow sometimes.

I have misunderstood you and publically apoligise to you. I just have having my tarn shot out from under me. I also hate having things blow up next to me too.

Again please forgive me for misunderstanding you (deep bow)

I just spent at least an hour or two removing autoguns - specific-target autoguns, I add, not just "kill anyone" - from Rausch, in the middle of some horrific sim-crashing (by the "Genovese Mafia"? Do they exist? Hard to say with all the textures spitting out and rotating).

If you have multiple security scripts, for god's sake have an email off button. That's all I'm saying right now. I should have been in bed ages ago.

Also, don't get annoyed with people so you put them out in the first place. Unless they're really asking for it. I mean, really, not just because you think they are. That's the second thing I'm saying.

Hell, it's nearly 4am.

I just want to back up Travis here and give a "real world" example.

I build avatars. Yes, people know this. I love building and I think it's a lot of fun. But I can't stand it when people watch me build. It's a little quirk of mine, I can't help it, but if anyone is around me I get stressed and thus, I cannot build. It might be inane and retarded but that's just the way I am (and one of the reasons I do most of my building from about 3am-6am EST).

People just looovvveee to watch me build. I have asked them, politely. Most leave. I got tired of asking so I made a large build box with very large signs that say "Artist at work, please do not disturb on it". Obviously many people can't read. People then decided that walls were challenges and decided to do various things to get in, such as sitting on a prim and editing it through the walls.

So I moved it up. People decided to sit on the floor to get in. They still sat on blocks and moved them in. I continued to ask them to leave.

We then blacked the walls out, put up more signs, set a script on the walls to only let people of my group (my staff) inside the build box.

That didn't stop people.

Eventually, someone decided he was getting in the damn build box and to hell with what anyone else thought about it. He was summarily ejected from the land. And ejected again, and ejected again. And then he used prims and script exploits to 'sit' on neighbor's land and 'move' over to our land so he couldn't be ejected. He couldn't be frozen. He continued to sit and stare at us through the box.

Tempers flared.

We banned him, we had our neighbors ban him. And then we found out that banning does jack shit. Because when your buildbox is higher than the ban level, you can do NUSSING to idiots.

He then started swearing, in all caps, at everyone, demanding that we unban him, and demanding we give him access to the stupid build box.

So eventually he buzzed off, after shouting, being generally annoying, and putting up signs on the outside of our land of Nazi and communist images and propaganda. So I posted "Humility" and "Stupidity" from Despair.com (I'll be damned if I wasn't going to get some fun outta this whole experience). So after he left, we tore down the build box and stuck it about 400 meters up, way above flight... and ban... level.

Does this stop him? Nope! He just sits outside of our land and stares into the box. In some cases he's shot at us. We had to turn off the damage on our land because we were getting teleported (It's a section for role playing). And he can get away with this since our land is next to a public road. He's been threatening us with nukes and self replication annoyance objects as well. He was also telling all the newbies on our land that he has free nukes. I feel bad if any of them used them and got banned.

Several days later, and several abuse reports later, we finally manage to get a Linden over (To where the prick actually swears and bitches about us infront of the Linden). Two more Linden come over, we have no idea what's going on and they tell us to go home.

I'm pretty sure the Lindens just gave him a warning, because he was still pestering us after the fact, but he wasn't shooting or swearing or anything of that nature. He certainly didn't do anything that would warrant an abuse report, other than he was still there (but on the road).

So we go home. And I immediately set up a security system. This was something I really didn't want to do because #1. I'm a retard when it comes to setting this crap up, and #2. I don't want to rudely kick people out. But when you've got 20 or 30 people a day staring over your shoulder, and you have to stop and say "Please go away", it gets old, very fast - especially when you're up so high that people shouldn't bother you anyway.

I have not had a problem since I set up the security system. I know it warns, but I don't know how much time it gives, frankly at this point, I just don't care. It was created to be well within the rules, however. It does have a limited range at least, so I can work in peace and it only removes people from around my build area.

So anyway, I think some security systems are annoying, they shouldn't toss you 3 sims away. But I think they're necessary for some cases, especially for griefers. And most of this could be resolved if the admin options for land were redone for the landowners in mind.

As far as I'm concerned, since Telehubs are gone and you don't need to fly over areas to get to places, if you get yourself banned from someone's land, you should be banned all the way up. People shouldn't be able to hear banned users on that land. Banned users shouldn't be able to rez objects or 'slide over' on your land. In many ways it's like people are getting screwed over because they own land. All these non-land griefers can get away with constantly screwing with you because land options suck, you're stuck there, and the Lindens don't care.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

So, you combat people leaving objects on your land, by using a script that sends anyone flying overhead or driving nearby home, thus causing them to inadvertantly leave objects on your land? Does anyone else see the circular logic here?

I don't recall, sorry, but it's by Avena Marshall, and it's called the Type 12 USS Ajax shuttle craft. I think it was a freebie.

Sadly it's no transfer, otherwise I'd have let you have a copy.

Lewis

Not only that, to me 'combat' is player - on - player, requiring skill and interactivity.

Chucking someone else's security script in a prim and turning it on so that anyone who dares to come near gets thrown half way across the grid is not combat - it's actually griefing, especially when there's no warning given whatsoever.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but if I go up to someone and say hello - be it on the ground or flying - and they make it clear that my presence is not appreciated, I'll just say sorry and go. I don't begin plotting my revenge.

I don't understand how people don't get the hang of the fact that screaming "I NEED PRIVACY" through security scripts or whatever actually attracts attention - it's been said before in this thread that a newbie looking house at ground level is less likely to grab anyone's attention than a skybox at 500 metres covered in PRIVATE textures. After all, if someone is online, and showing on the map, there is no reason why anyone shouldn't initially be able to come up to them and try to interact - that is, after all, what online gaming is all about, isn't it, other people?

Lewis

Isn't this an argument for more timely and effective enforcement of the rules that are already there? Oh yeah, I forgot, LL isn't into the "enforcement" thing.

And whereas I can completely understand the "he'll move on and find another target" approach as being utterly rational from a personal perspective, it reminds me of the trapper who caught the racoon in my attic. I'm glad he was lying when he said he'd release the live pest elsewhere (which he has to say, times being what they are) because my first thought was, "oh great, make it someone else's pest, that's just not right".

I'll soon be holding an event after a year of having given up when "event" was synonymous with "griefers welcome" because I've heard that things have improved considerably. And should it be griefed, well, I'll, I'll.... ummm... make an utterly ineffective unhappy post about it. Sigh.

Or, to summarize Jackal's post in one sentance:

Your percieved right to travel through land I pay for does not overrule my right not to be bothered while I'm busy, provided I'm not obstructing traffic in general (IE, as long as you can go around).

I routinely fly at 500m+ to avoid lag, and other skybuilds You seem to think thay noone has any business travelling at those heights.
Tell me where in the TOS does it say only Kyrah Abattoir should be at 500m.
Others in this thread CONSTANTLY raise the objection that they may just be peacably flying through, but you don't want to acknowledge the validity of their arguement.
What youre ignoring is the fact someone could be tped home simply for flying past your workshop. Which frankly sucks.

For banned users, yes. Anyone else passing through, I wouldn't want to block their way. But for banned users, I don't want anything to do with them at all, ever.

That sounds scarily like the Bush guy's justification for those hideous signs that blight the landscape.

I think what you mean to say is that our right to travel through your land, as long as we are not disturbing you in any way.

If you want a security shield up to protect you from the rest of us - then you should have to implement some form of notice that it is there - be it a forcefield made out of prims, beacons around the perimeter of your 'exclusion zone' or whatever, as you do not have any right whatosoever to prevent me doing something entirely innocent that in no way disrupts you - such as flying over your land but below the skybox you might be working in.

Lewis

No, I mean exactly what I say.

Me > You, on land that I pay for.

Simple as that.

That said, I try not to be an ass, and I haven't used a security script in something like a year now... But I have that right, and don't feel particularly guilty about it, as long as it's not an asstastic one, which mine never was. I would go so far as to say what I was using was perhaps the most *polite* script I've ever seen used.



Actually, the lindens gave me that right. That's what the land tools are for. It's an asshole thing to do, but I have that right. Yes, I have the right to be an asshole if I want to be, although I try not to be.

But if you had read my past posts in this thread, you will see that I went out of my way to make sure that nobody got kicked accidently, to the point of actually limiting the effectiveness of the script a fair bit.

And for all those who say that teleporthome = analogy for being killed IRL...

Ask yourself this...

What would you do if you were working on something in your house in real life, and someone went, bought a helicopter, flew over your fence, landed on your roof, broke through your window, flopped themself down on your furniture and says "Whatcha' doooooin?".

See why we shouldn't try to mix RL metaphores into SL?

Ah, we are flying over your property not walking on it!

So you are saying, I have the right to block the approach of the store next to me just because I can? We only are suppose to tp from place to place to protect your privacy? Makes SL a cold place to visit dosnt it?

Oh, my understanding is there is no "teleport home" function. You actually kill the alvatar and the alvatar reformes at their home station.

I have no problem with a security script if people want privacy, but when youre flying at 600m alt and get ejected out of your craft, it is a bit much. What are you goin to see from 600m anyway?