Stupid security scripts

Why was I at 500 meters....hmmm. Hoping to avoid things like buildings, skyboxes...certain unnamed signs etc. I thought 500 would be safe travel alt between points....anyone have a space shuttle I can use.

Dont understand why people have all of these "security" scripts when there is a much better tool to use. I have limited access to my land. There is no problem with people overflying, if too low they are just not allowed to enter. They are not ejected or "sent home". Is that not english slang for dead?

I think that people with security posting are RUDE. What is the point of "exploring" when you are worried about getting ejected or killed? How can you justify excessive force when the option of just kepping them off your land is available?

What are YOU doing up that high anyway?

Because the land access tools are wholy inneficient for many uses. I have legitimate ground-builds that are much taller than the security bars will help with.

The funny thing about this is that as it caught my attention, I wanted to see what was so secret. This was the first one, that ejected with no warning whatsoever.

I could see on the map there was someone there, so I rezzed a cube, sat on it, then positioned myself using the Edit menu to as close as I could to where this individual was working (outside the boundary of their parcel), then using the camera controls was able to actually see what the person was doing - she appeared to be creating some wierd bondage contraption. I looked for a few seconds, then went back to my exploring - although I was tempted to shout at her for the trouble she had caused me.

If this individual hadn't irritated me, I wouldn't have even stopped and looked, as I was targetting groups to drop in on and give amusement to. The fact that it was a small parcel that I could 'infiltrate' to see what was going on simply by sitting on a cube and moving camera controls makes the whole reason for a security script entirely pointless. If she'd have turned on the Ban lines, I'd have flown round them and carried on in the direction I was going.

Lewis

This is really an honest question: what are you using the (implied) security scripts to protect against? Presuming you weren't just talking about hypothetical limits on the land tools, that is.

And, Lewis, too true, the best way to arouse curiousity is to make it look like you have something to hide, especially for someone who wouldn't otherwise care.

I had a friend that was feeling silly one night and so, upon seeing a relatively new player walk across his parcel engaged in simulated sexx0rz in the middle of a field with a member of the appropriate sex in the hopes of shocking the "newb" in a totally light-hearted manner. The newb just as whimsically asked if he could join in.

It is still MEAN and takes away from the sprit of the game. I like to fly my Tarn around and look at the scenery. Just how high do I have to fly to avoid pests with their "security" programs? You don’t even post a sign! No Trespassing.

As for private, there is no real privacy in SL. If you want that would suggest that a person have their own host where they can do the nasty in private. We log onto SL to interact with other people. Why pay money to Linden Labs when you don’t want this? It would be far cheaper to make your own host for you and your special friends.

Security Scripts...hmmm. What ever happned to the good old days of just closing the curtains/windows and locking the doors (Which is what I do). And just for the sake of augment ie (I'm have no clue what I'm talking about). I just finished testing a thought. I took a rezzed cube up to 500 meters, rezzed a platform, then rezzed a Freebie house on said platform. (With Scripted Windows & Doors). Guess what...it all worked which means NO security script required...So the BIG question is. What am I missing?

As a natural explorer, I've found the security scripts to be a royal PITA, especially the ones that give you no warning and just TP you home. When I'm flying around I often don't have a good idea of where I am on the map (it's part of the fun) so when I randomly get the load screen for home it's quite an annoyance. The ability to fly the camera almost anywhere you want really makes the security scripts quite pointless too.

I've always thought of them as the equivelent of putting a redneck on your front stoop with a shotgun and a bullet riddled sign that reads "Trespassers will be shot, survivers will be shot again". Even the ones that give you a warning are tough to deal with. Most of the time the security ball won't even be rezzed on the screen yet when it gives you a warning, so it's hard to tell what direction the warning came from. If you smack into one of the prims in the house, you're pretty much doomed.

If I were building one of those security balls, I'd definatly set it up so that it's only active when I'm on the land. Maybe it would be possible to automatically add their name to the banned users list on your land if they hang around for more than 20-30 seconds? I don't know.

If you really want privacy, I'd rez a boring looking hollow wooden cube or perhaps one of the obvious free houses. Nobody ever bothers to explore those and you could easily work in private in one of those. In other words, I think you'll get better security hiding in plain sight than you will with some obnoxious security script.

Paranoia, maybe?

It's mostly hypothetical. I've only used a security script once, and I used it to be able to work without people dropping in on me to bug me every 30 seconds, because I didn't need the distractions while trying to figure out some scripting issues.

Just who is this "You"? The one time I ever used a security script it IMed anyone *approaching* my protected zone long before they were at risk of being teleported home, and *still* gave a warning and time to vacate if they breached the protected field.

Please don't accuse me of things I've never done. If you got teleported home by my script (You never did, I kept a record), you damn well knew what you were doing and decided to ignore the warnings anyhow. At that point I owe this hypothetical "you" nothing, and the spirit of the game bedamned.



It's not always about sex. I do that offline, thank you. With real people. Ya know, Sex version 1.0.



Sometimes. Sometimes I just want to get something done without distractions, and I can't very well do that offline.




Not only would it be vastly more expensive to create and run my own alternative to SL for me and my friends, it would be quite impossible due to lack of programming skill, servers, bandwidth, etc.

Best way to make sure you're not bothered is to do things in an ugly freebie house, on the ground. Also litter the rest of your land with dubious poseballs and the worst particles you can find.

And have some really bad audio playing as well.

You do realize that if it a small piece of land, that you truly aren't getting privacy with a security script?

You may be able to keep folks from landing next to you and talking to you in open chat, but folks can easily swing thier cameras over and see you, and IM you, and shout to you...

Personally I think all these security scripts and closed off land plots are a bit on the ridiculous side. When I build something, I want folks to be able to come and see it and explore. If people cause trouble, there are always the land owner tools to freeze, eject, and ban.

If I am really worried about privacy, I can go way up in the sky, or find a quiet, secluded spot elsewhere (there are tons of them).

The host program will be the problem. I bet there are programs off the shelf that would work. Depending on how many people you want to have online at any one time is limiting factor as for bandwidth. It can be done and cheaper than you think! Use to host a "game" from my computer in Japan using a simple 1.5M ADSL connection. I use to have up to 10 people online at one time. I just like meeting new people and that is the real advantage of SL.

Cameras aren't my problem. I've posed for sl 'nudes.'

If you're watching me sitting in a hot tub with ym sl girlfriend, thats your bag, big whoop. What I don't want is people dropping themslves and their things all over my land.

Nothing that will re-produce the SL-type environment, no. At least, nothing within the realm of affordable... I guess SGI had something at one point, but...



IRC lets you meet new people. SL also has content. And like it or not, sometimes content producers like to be left alone while making the stuff the content consumers want

I made a real mess of replying to your posting. Need to have some classes in such and not just number crunching

You didnt answer my question. What type of warnings do you give? How many meters AGL do you claim? In RL you can not infringe the right of people to fly over your property. Yes there are min altutudes AGL but it is not enforced by the landowner.

I usually fly at about 2 to 3 hundred meters AGL to avoid home defenses. I like to get e general view and not a closeup of people doing private things If I see a nice store sometimes go down to check it out. Usually end up spending money

Just noticed there was more to that post...



Well, I don't anymore, like I said.

That said, you got IMed at a certain distance... I forget what exactly, 30 meters away from the protected zone I think it was. You would get this IM as soon as you entered the area. If you actually approached or entered the building, you would get another, more stern warning. You would then have 30 seconds or so to leave before you got moved to the edge of my property.



How am I rude? Point to something in my post that was rude, and I'll appologise.



Huh?



Sorry, but your wrong. I get bothered. Constantly. People bother me in a skybox at 700 meters with "Private" plastered on the walls. Ground level is suicide.

Why does that matter? by the time you've walked across you're not on their land any more, so who cares?

yea i can see being Ejected but shot and killed that just not cool , I don't like it 'if' I was exporing and went on land that had damage and had no warning or time to get away and shot and killed :/ I think that just pure evil.. and I am not talking about the great not that mad evil that is groofy...

I hope it never happens

I was flying in my plane across the continent one day, low and slow, sight-seeing, but still faster than "normal" flight, and I got a warning telling me I should leave the parcel. I couldn't tell where the border was immediately but figured by the time it was up I'd be off, anyway, so I just kept on going.

It must have been a pretty big parcel.

Next thing I know I'm teleported home, my plane (I assume) flying on without me. I didn't remember where I was, I retraced my steps and never found it.

AND, there were no green dots anywhere around, so it shouldn't even have been running.

Any return home script should be against TOS as it is not for you to decide if an individual should be sent to their home location or not. People should be able to eject from land, but no more. Nobody has the right to send someone away to their home location. Think if someone did it to you, repeatedly.

Being able to eject people over your property is just plain WRONG! We dont own the skies above our property in RL and should not own them in SL.

I have lost control of my tarn and have made steller crashes because of these security JERKS! They really ruin the game for me. I like to fly my Tarn and get in the sights. Think residents do this as a Power thing.

Oh yes, I have lost at least one Tarn permentally. If Umi Chan was "no copy" would of lost him.

All this in the name of privacy? I think not......... Closing the lot off will deter most pests. On that thought how about a number of like minded residents going for a private island? There is no way an intruder can inpose themselves on your privacy. You will have your quiet retreat but you would have to trust your fellow island residents, wont you?

Just a point of note: The primary discussion (and distaste) for security scripts seem to revolve around their use for privacy reasons. I agree, and believe that this is where they're most commonly misused.

However, there is another flavor of security script with a different motivation: Grief Mitigation/Prevention.

If you are using security scripts to keep your parcel private, it only makes sense to offer a generous warning before taking action upon someone innocently flying by.

However, if you are a griefer planting C4 bombs at my establishment, the expectation for me to give you 15 seconds (or more) warning before I eject or teleport you home makes zero sense. If you are harrasing and being abusive, I want you gone now.

If you return to my parcel after bombing me, don't expect to get another 15 seconds warning so you can plant more bombs. That again, makes no sense.

There is a HUGE difference between applying security measures to a passive explorer vs. an active griefer. Just thought that needed to be said.