Stupid security scripts

Sometime over the last couple decades I notice a shift on all sorts of things that were traditionally padlocked (e.g. shipping crates, train boxcars, me to the drainpipe, etc.) had been replaced with one way plastic "cable ties" or where more authentication is desired, small metal bands with harder to fake crimps on them. These can be broken with a twist of a sturdy pen rather than bolt cutters. This represents a shift from "deterrence" to "detection"; that is, it is more useful to see if something has been messed with than to try and keep someone out at greater cost when they'll get in anyway.

I never had a security bumper, I did install a proximity detector ('cuz a friend asked me to test it) and tried a proximity detector HUD. I then concluded that I just didn't care enough.

Privacy can't be assured using any device but a private, locked island. For the truly concerned, it is easier and much more useful to know if Random Avatar is hovering nearby rather than to boot them across three sims because they had the poor taste to fly over your land.

Not that its a big deal, but I can answer that question!

People push buttons, even when your working on the system in question.

"Please don't click on this device."

"Oh, THIS <click> ONE?"

<earthshattering explosion>

...

"Yup. That one."


I swear. People are just... <sigh>

They also allow you to fly your tarn. You want real world regulations, go fly your tarn in the real world.

Don't mix rl and sl for analogies or regulations, you always lose in the end.

We don’t have Tarns in the real world and if we did, I would put him in as an "experimental" craft I disagree with mixing rules, have proven my point. Landowners do not control the airspace over their homes! Do you want the names of the court cases? It does not hurt them to allow over flight. If I was a grifter and want to put a device on their property these scripts would not stop it. It only hurts the innocent residents doing their day to day activities!

Why is it in poor taste to fly over another’s land? Just last night I was returning from my platform and got dismounted from my tarn which flew off the edge of the world. I picked myself off and was flying home and got knocked at least 3 Sims over flying though even protected areas since could not stop. There was no warning at all. None and the FA can not blame it on LAG! Going to ban him from my property tonight.

RUDE, it is becoming the namesake of SL. If I want RUDE I would go shopping in an American store where it is common! I am beginning to think that most residents are RUDE! They like to impose themselves on others and hurt them.

Ah, but in second life we do. You don't want us to, but the fact is, in Second Life, we do. Up to the height limitations LL has given us.

Actually, as the "No Entry" ban lines only exist up to 40m (I think) above ground level, it would be quite easy to conclude from that that we only control overflight up to that point, anything else (including skyboxes) is perfectly legitimate for any resident to explore.

We buy land. Tier is counted in the amount of land owned. Nowhere will you find any reference to owning the sky, and as the only limitation is the 40m above ground by the "restrict access" settings included in the game, I would say it was fairly conclusive that we do *not* own airspace above our land, meaning free access is perfectly acceptable.

Lewis

Ah, but the land tools are not in this way restricted, while LL has demonstrated in the past that they can altitude-restrict tools! Therefor, I think it's more logical to conclude that LL acknowledges that for some things the land tools are not sufficient control, and has given us better tools.



We are allowed to build up to ((768 + 30) - (llGround() - 30)). I think that's pretty clearly the area LL has given us as "ours", because, again, LL has the ability to set any limit they want.

However, "currently do" does not imply "ought to" nor even "was actually thought about".

Just sayin'....

True!

But, as this issue *has* been discussed, ad naseum, for about the last, oh, year and a half, I think it's fair to say we have passed the "thought about" stage, and "ought to" is entierly subjective, so my say is as valid as anyone elses.

I feel the need to bring up another problem when traveling the mainland. Damage Enabled Parcels... Why???

One day my friends and i got one of those expensive black cars with all the gadjets and the gizmoes and the whatsists. We drove it around for a while on the mainland. We drove over some small parcel that was damage enabled. Thank goodness avatars dont get mangled anymore or i would SOoooooo abuse report them for messing up my av. We drove the car and it got laggy. next thing we know the car plunges into a wall and we all died. Do people really need to enable this feature on their land? I could see if it was a arena or combat zone but this was just a normal house with a pool type deal...

So I should return the favor in kind? Buy a security script and when this jerk is over my land he finds himself home? Or better yet flying out of control for a few Sims? No warning no explanation, just the results? Fight Fire with Fire? Just like he is doing?

Oh, I use my tarn to maintain my platform which is too high for me to fly and can not maintain altitude but my tarn can!

Update, had to go home because forgot an important thing. I have banned the primary ofenders and all members of their group for good measure!

What is a good security script ot deal these "residents" what they deserve?

Can't believe I read all 12 pages of this thread, but the idea of abuse reporting someone for trying to maintain a peaceful atmosphere on their own land just kind of rankles...

I do use a security script. It's not visually apparent, but it gives a 30 second warning before it teleports the intruder to a nearby sim away from my property. The range is set at 48 meters, which just barely surrounds my house. Sure you can look into my house, or look at it, but if you come inside and attempt to have sex on my bed you will be ejected to the sim next door where there is an ugly laggy mall . My house is 300 meters above my land because I don't want to look at what my neighbors have built next to my land (or sometimes, what my boyfriend has built on our land ) and also because lag is very much lessened the higher you go up.

The reasons for the script:
* I have some friends who don't really respect privacy and might teleport themselves to my location (and have) without warning. Don't want to lose the friends, but yeah, I will TP you if you ask first...
* Land tools do not work above a certain altitude. I have a sauna on top of my other house, which is a three-storey house. I've found people sitting in my sauna quite often, despite that the land is set to group only. I've also had the experience of voyeurs watching me and my boyfriend, umm, well... heh
* I have a visitor logger in my house and on pretty much all my property due to past griefer/stalker issues. My visitor logger in my sky house shows a couple of avatars have made themselves quite at home for several hours while I was not online, which is far more rude than me trying to protect my private spaces (where I do build unusual and interesting pieces of art and whatnot, which I don't really want others to photograph or copy)
* The neighboring property has a sky box, which is located on Linden-owned first land that never got released as First Land (not sure why). When I first discovered this sky box, half of it was sitting right above my land, using up my prim space. Land tools took care of part of that, but sometimes they don't take care of say, airplanes left floating in the sky using up prim space. If someone rezzes 2000 cubes on your land, your land will start to return YOUR objects first before it returns theirs (personal experience with griefers here) if it is over the prim limit.
*I don't have my land set to return objects because several friends have specific permission to build on my land, but they can't be in my land group because the land belongs only to me and my boyfriend. We also have friends who let us host their builds (roller coaster, rocket ride--it's an amusement park).
* at 300 meters, with most people unable to operate SL with settings above 256 draw distance...what can you see flying that high anyway that you can't see somewhere else flying at 300 meters? I can't see the ground or any other builds up that high, which is how I like it. If you fly below 300 meters above my land you're fine, you won't run into my security script and won't be bothered, and you'll get to see some interesting stuff. If you fly 350 meters above my land you're also going to be fine, as my script only has a circumference of 48 meters. Really, there is only one 48 meter circumference ball of security floating above my land, where my sky house is located, where I can see nothing but sky, great sunsets/sunrises, and have my private building area.
* paying $800 to purchase and $125 USD per month to "own" this land pretty much gives me the right to do what I want on it, within terms of service of course, and I choose not to host freebie sex/flight space for others in this one private retreat of mine. Having to hear someone in an airplane go by with that annoying put, put, put sound over the sound of my music or when I just want silence...Go have sex in my club or in the Linden Bear Museum or on the pier or whatever...those are all there, provided free for anyone to use

Ok, we don't have tarns in the real world. Name me some cases, but since we don't have tarns in the real world, you can't name real world cases unless they involve tarns.

DO NOT mix rl and sl..rl's laws do not apply on sl, and niehter do the FAA's regulations. Get used to it, suck it up, and in the words of Foamy...

'Tis the season to shut the **** up and quit being a whiny *****'

no it doesn't



Come to our private island. Justify deliberately trying to enter the top level which is a sim size private platform and protected by security. In my opinion no one has any business overflying an island that high up so go ahead Report away.



Don't have to prove a darn thing.



Not everyone WANTS to be social with everyone at every moment.

Because thats how the people who pay the land teir and 'own' the land want it.



No, we don't have to prove anything. Its our land, our rules. As long as we remain within the TOS it is perfectly legal and theres nothing that can be done about it.



We have up to the limit LL has given us as 'our' land. No, 40m isn't where it stops. People have every right from LL to interfere with flight above their land.

To finish things off... maybe I should find a script to disable outside scripts on my land (oh dear your plane stops) and then disable flight. Hows that for a nonsecurity system that restricts flight space?

One quick note: if you have a security script that bounces people off of your land, you lose all right to complain about vehicles left on your land. Even if you have a warning time and especially if it's on a skybox. Sometimes I've had walls rez all around me when I fly too fast, and I have to get out and derez my vehicle to get out of the house.

If you were to pay for something,would you expect to be able to use it in whatever manner you like-provided it was within laws/regulations?

I understand the blight these things cause people,but they are well within their right to use them. They are not against the T.O.S.

I have been teleported home just once in countless flight trips.Sure i cussed and swore under my breath at the time,but given time to reflect who am i to tell others what to do within the confines of land they own/rent?

I don't understand this post at all.

I completly agree that security scripts are not the answer to the long-term problem. However, in the absense of more robust land tools, for many they are the only answer for the time being.

With full respect to your personal opinion, Lewis - I feel as though you are taking a black or white stance here, and not taking into account the many shades of grey. Security scripts, in and of themselves, are not the real problem. It is overzealous security scripts that are wrong.

Additionally, while I have little need for privacy in SL myself - I respect that it may be important to some residents at some times. Privacy and community spirit are not mutually exclusive, in my humble opinion.

Important part bolded. Your opinion. As worthless as you feel mine is.

I'm not talking about "private islands" ..... I'm talking about the mainland.

Evidently you don't understand the point of this entire thread.

I'm not against people's right to privacy and security.

I'm not against people's right to choose who they admit to the land they own.

I am against scripts that move you from where you were going with INSUFFICIENT OR NO WARNING.

Before you come back and say how much money you pay to own a private island, that's just your choice - and doesn't give you any more rights than any other player. It certainly does not give you the right to act as a griefer by ejecting me from your land without warning. There's a big difference between being somewhere you have no right to be - and being somewhere you don't know you are not allowed in because there is nothing to tell you.

Lewis

I think, more accurately, it's what I just posted:

"There's a big difference between being somewhere you have no right to be - and being somewhere you don't know you are not allowed in because there is nothing to tell you."

Lewis

When you state it that way, Lewis - I completely agree with you . I don't think the expectation to be notified if one is somewhere one shouldn't be is an unreasonable one.

I'd just stretch it in one way:

If you are actively griefing, the knowledge that you are doing something against the TOS (ex: bombing) is an implied warning that you shouldn't be there. Either the griefer intentionally tried to cause trouble, or it was an accident - in the latter case a conversation & apology can clear that up if reasonable parties are involved.

If the griefer is ejected and banned, and they attempt to return or otherwise circumvent their ejection - they received their warning with the initial infraction.

Please do NOT put words in my mouth. I will not now nor ever justify my opinion by how much an island costs.

In Fact I don't believe how much ANYONE pays should dictate the treatment they recieve. Be it no land at all or 200 sims worth.

Define enough warning. I have read numberous threads on this and no one agrees. In our case the entire public side of the platform is plastered in big red and white warning textures. For that matter we have object return set to 1 minute. I see no reason for anyone to rez a plane and go flying on the island.

As for your opinion. Disagreeing with you does not judge you or your opinion worthless. Just means I took the time to think about what you said and found I do not agree. Exact opposite to worthless as I see it.

If you fly up to the top level you will be teleported home (goes for anyone not family). Simple fact. If you think that is griefing go ahead and report me.

"the entire public side of the platform is plastered in big red and white warning textures." is perfectly acceptable to me as adequate warning that your presence is not welcomed there.



No, I would say that was legitimate security measures based on the warnings you provide, which are clear to see to anyone who chooses to ignore them.

My problem is where there is no sign or warning of any description, in other words trespassing where you don't know about it.

Lewis

I have never seen such a group of anti social people. Question why do you play a social game when you dont want to be social? Save money and IM each other or set up your own database! Private islands are also a good idea. The perfect security that can not be breached! You can do your hentai things all day long.

My ban list is filling up quickly! I am going to dispense equaly bad treatment to those who give it. Or are the rules for everone else and not you? The "Lords and Ladies" of SL. I am not saying names but you know who you are. I need to ask the Lindens how far I can go on my active defense against my ban list. Can I put in a SAM site and turn my spaceship into a AGEIS Cruiser?

I am a land owner too and pay Linden Labs a fee once a month. Friendly residents are always welcome except when the door is closed and windows tinted.