BEWARE: Stolen Textures In Second Life!!!!!

ambyance wont be happy till i quit second life, which is not going to happen. I will continue to create things, and as i said before never outsource again. Since this fiasco I have been working on an original skin, which i will release in the coming days. I have done all i can that would rectify the situation, and thats all i have to say. she can try and bully me all she wants.

There was a reason besides religious for "Thou shall not steal" in the Big Ten. Theft and lies are close companions and both hurt communities. I have lived places where you could leave your doors unlocked.... obviously not Second Life.

By your own admission you are at the very least a receiver of stolen goods, and an accessory to theft. If you were front of a judge, the "I'm trying to protect a friend" line would get you a nice fine and vacation.

If you truly are innocent, then you have a responsibility to turn in the skin thief. A responsiblity to the community you live in - whose trust has been damaged. A resposibility to Lost, who has been defrauded, and even a responsibility to your friend. Better they learn the consequences of theft here where the lesson is more gentle than in the RW.

Regardless, your reputation is destroyed. You may think that the damage is minor, but memories are long in SL and word gets around.

Until you turn over the actual thief, or fess up yourself, you haven't done everything you could. Both are hard and take moral courage. So, how about less words and more actions.

but its more complicated than that. what *IF* the supplier was a rl associate? im not going into details, but it is a tricky position I am in, and beleive me, i HAVE done all i can.

I turned my sister in for shoplifting when I was 16.

Don't get closer and more RL personal than that.

Right is right - wrong is wrong... In this issue - after someone screwed another resident over royally, being worried about screwing them over doesn't seem like such a great excuse.

Seems a lil.... kharmic.... if you ask me.

yes ok, you turned her into an authority. There is no authority to deal with this issue, would you have done the same, and turned her into a lynch mob?

No you haven't.

It's bad enough when someone steals your BBQ or your wallet. To steal someone's hard work and pass it off as your own is much worse - to steal their reputation. That's hardcore.

It doesn't matter that you know them real life. Or, do you feel comfortable associating with a thief? Are you happy that they are willing to let you take the heat? Do you really believe that they won't do it to you to? Assuming that your protestations of innocence aren't a lie - and the jury is out for me.

Expect this to come back up, just like a certain seller of freebies can hardly post without someone commenting on it.

To tell the truth - probably.

Actually yes.. When I blew up the neighbours mailbox as a boy my dad took me over face to face to him and made me fess up that I'd done it.

Next question?

thats slightly different, anyway, i've nothing more to add to this thread.

Actually its more accurate than you realize - seeing there is no way a 'lynch mob' can actually lynch anyone in SL.

Only thing I have to add is a name to my ban list.....

thats great, good luck with that.

I think you're taking wrong approach here. Because the group in question is association of _makers_ rather than sellers, it'd have to be the original creator (or in this case, the original anonymous thief) that'd have to become a member and register their skin for approval seal. Sellers have no need to become members of group because well, they aren't makers. They simply sell someone else's creations.

So if anything, a system like this is beneficial to the 3rd party seller -- if a skin maker comes to them and offers them a skin with this sort of certificate on it, the seller has at least _some_ assurance this skin is genuine. And they can verify if the seal is 'real deal' with the skin maker group much easier than they can verify the originality of skin itself...

edit: at the same time, any maker who is member of the group cannot really hide behind "well it's a work of friend that i cannot reveal" excuse, because they're supposed to present their own creations, in person.

Luck isn't needed. It's a done deal

BOO!

Montagne: im not prepared to say that, i will handle this, believe me if they did what it seems they will be named and shamed


It was done your way ,now where is the name and shame ? Or do I need to post more notes ?

Ambyance,

You need to pull the chat log since it's against the TOS. I suggest posting it to a third-party site, like SL Universe, with a link, or offering to send it via PM or IM.

So first it's 'My hours of work tell me different' then 'I commissioned these from someone'

It's one - or its the other

Then again - they're both cases of passing work off as your own - so I guess if nothing else it sets precident for determining character.

I'm with Siggy on this. While only Lost can pursue you with the Lindens, the rest of us can shun you by adding you to ban lists.

You blew up your neighbour's mailbox? Fuck that must have been funny.

I agree, you should not release the name here in the forums, BUT you SHOULD release the name to Linden lab...

Does anyone wonder why LL hasn't gotten involved? Have they gotten involved but those involved aren't seeing it? Shouldn't there be signs of LL trying to resolve this situation by the direct parties involved?

From what little I know about whatever process Linden Labs uses to handle such things, everything they do (or, for all I know, don't do) is done strictly in secret, and there's no way to determine what did or did not happen. I have, for example, on occasion felt compelled to file an abuse report against the odd griefer, but I've never seen any tangible result from doing so. I once lost a couple thousand $L worth of animations from an animation overrider that arbitrarily disappeared from existance in a grid crash, and I filed a bug report just like they told me to do, but I never received anything further other than an automated response acknowledging the report (I've since just replaced the animations myself).

Whether Linden Labs does anything at all, whether they do something occasionally but not all of the time, whether they do something but only for certain people ... I honestly have no idea. I've never seen them take any meaningful action on any specific issue (other than updates and grid crashes), but that doesn't mean they never have. There really seems to be no way to know.

What we do know in this case is that what happened here is something that has happened before, so it seems increasingly less likely that Linden Labs is taking any action on it (they've had plenty of time to do so). At the very least, it doesn't appear to occupy a high position on their priority list.

That's why I suggested community action in the first place. If the police can't or won't act on this or that problem, it's up to the community to band together to do something, or else nothing at all is going to be done.

But we'll have to see how this plays out. At least now I know whose name to watch out for.

No, I don't. I'm not trying to judge or advocate for either party. As an interested consumer and potential business owner, I have some interest in seeing how these disputes get resolved and what can be done to improve on the process.

Given that the case is so cut-and-dried you might want to fill in the other members of your guild, such as Ambyance, because their "facts" don't match yours.


Well, I have yet to see her say here: I knowingly purchased stolen property.

It's possible I missed it, it's hard to keep all the players in this soap opera clear. But from my perspective this kind of sloppy justice is very dangerous.

You're right, I didn't really consider the difference. From the conversation I assumed the vast majority of sellers were makers, and it seemed that sellers who do not make their own skins are disparaged by some.

I'm still trying to understand how this would work and what benefits there would be. I think there are three goals:

1) protect the skin makers from having their creations stolen
2) protect the sellers from buying and passing on bad goods
3) protect the consumers from getting ripped off and/or buying stolen goods


I just think there are too many holes to make it work and the skin makers guild is only a small part of the solution. But by all means, try it out and see if works as a model for other industries.

Well that's the thing, Groucho: no "solution" anyone has thought of is going to be perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but in the absence of any apparent Linden action, even an imperfect solution that has the potential to do substantially more good than harm is better than simply doing nothing at all. And I should think that it's self-evident that somewhere between "do nothing" and "engage in a fanatical witch hunt," there's a middle ground worthy of consideration.

You are protecting a friend that is letting you go down for their crime. Wow you don't need enemies when you got friends like that.

If they were a true friend they would take responsibility for their action.