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BEWARE: Stolen Textures In Second Life!!!!!

Rickard Roentgen
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06-05-2006 14:29
My head hurts :P.

Summary:
0) Someone stole losts skins.
1) Stealing textures is bad.
2) A stolen texture is hard to detect programatically, open to debate by people other than the creator, and obvious to the creator.
3) It's not LL's fault.
4) It's not a big enough problem and/or People are too lazy and/or jaded to try a human solution such as a coallition/union.
5) Dig deep enough and you can find dirt and hypocrisy for anyone.
6) Usually people are too lazy to dig deep enough so society continues to function.
7) Sens is incapable of tact, even in the interests of self preservation.
8) A few other people think they have the high ground while demonstrating no such thing.
9) I probably mispelled or typo'd in the above.

Just helping out the people not interested in wading through the entire thread :).
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Caydence Spectre
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06-05-2006 14:32
From: Nolan Nash
She accused Ulrika of using an animation she "found on the web" by means of starting a flamefest thread about it. Ulrika went to great lengths to prove otherwise - she even showed LL her files, and though I am unsure exactly what data was used to verify that it was Ulrika's original work - LL decided that it was. Sensual then ate crow.

Yet here she is, chiding people for a "lynch mob mentality", when her own past behavior was just as bad, if not worse. Funny thing is, that anim she was screaming about - she didn't even claim it was her own work being stolen, but rather that of someone on the web, so she really had no personal stake in it - other than to cause drama. Now we have her being sarcastic towards people who actually do have a personal stake, and those who would defend them - and we even have the culprit admitting that the work was stolen by her "friend", and then removing the items from the market. All this, from a live helper, who is supposed to help people with issues like this.


Why am I not suprised? Thanks Nolan, very interesting info. Now maybe this thread can go back to its roots and people can start posting helpful and insightful information about the original topic again. Or maybe not, because after all, some people have opinions...so neener-neener-neener!
Sensual Casanova
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06-05-2006 14:37
From: Caydence Spectre
Why am I not suprised? Thanks Nolan, very interesting info. Now maybe this thread can go back to its roots and people can start posting helpful and insightful information about the original topic again. Or maybe not, because after all, some people have opinions...so neener-neener-neener!

lmfao, first off I never attacked Ulrika... it was a discussion and a similarity to an animation found on the web.. to this day nor I nor LL know if her animation was original, only Ulrika knows...I also apologized to Ulrika... Ulrika also brought herself into the thread, my thread originated by, "what ifs" so again do some research and try to burn someone else on the stake...
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06-05-2006 14:37
From: Ambyance2 Anubis
Im sry , I think that statement came across wrong . You do have the right to post here ,sensual even as rough as I believe her to be has the right to post .I just think that people that really have no intrest in either Raquel or Lost and just want to fight with somone should be kind enough to not do that here . There are tons of places in this forum where they can create a huge debate over things they feel no real passion about just for the sake of arguing .


Thank you for your response. Sorry if I sounded a bit bitchy but I have seen people say things like that and mean it and it's not fair to others. In my eyes, people are people regardless of what they make or don't make here and should have a voice. Take care :)
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Rickard Roentgen
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06-05-2006 14:38
From: Nolan Nash
She accused Ulrika of using an animation she "found on the web" by means of starting a flamefest thread about it. Ulrika went to great lengths to prove otherwise - she even showed LL her files, and though I am unsure exactly what data was used to verify that it was Ulrika's original work - LL decided that it was. Sensual then ate crow.

Yet here she is, chiding people for a "lynch mob mentality", when her own past behavior was just as bad, if not worse. Funny thing is, that anim she was screaming about - she didn't even claim it was her own work being stolen, but rather that of someone on the web, so she really had no personal stake in it - other than to cause drama. Now we have her being sarcastic towards people who actually do have a personal stake, and those who would defend them - and we even have the culprit admitting that the work was stolen by her "friend", and then removing the items from the market. All this, from a live helper, who is supposed to help people with issues like this.


Nolan, love ya man, but...

She's not being hypocritical, her whole point thus far is that you SHOULD take issue even if you have "no personal stake in it". And she's right. If it's something that could effect you but has not, then it is still your problem, just not an immediate one. She hasn't done anything worthy of lynching except point out an uncomfortable truth, be insensitive, and have more tenacity then sense. Now I definately get why she irritates people, but none of those things is "wrong" in the same way as theft is. IE, she can advocate lynching while defending herself against a lynching without being hypocritical.
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Caydence Spectre
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06-05-2006 14:42
From: Rickard Roentgen
Nolan, love ya man, but...

She's not being hypocritical, her whole point thus far is that you SHOULD take issue even if you have "no personal stake in it". And she's right. If it's something that could effect you but has not, then it is still your problem, just not an immediate one. She hasn't done anything worthy of lynching except point out an uncomfortable truth, be insensitive, and have more tenacity then sense. Now I definately get why she irritates people, but none of those things is "wrong" in the same way as theft is. IE, she can advocate lynching while defending herself against a lynching without being hypocritical.


But she cannot fight the good fight against lynching if/when she herself has been responsible for similar lynchings. That would be hypocrisy? No?
Rickard Roentgen
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06-05-2006 14:49
From: Caydence Spectre
But she cannot fight the good fight against lynching if/when she herself has been responsible for similar lynchings. That would be hypocrisy? No?


I repeat, she can defend herself against a lynching while trying to lynch someone else without being hypocritical, if she believes her own actions are justifiable and her targets actions are not. That is not hypocrisy, that is a valid distinction. Personally I don't think her inflamatory method of communication is a lynching offense, while I do think theft is. Therefore it is not a similar lynching.

If anybody is tired of the word lynching, suggest an alternative please :).
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-05-2006 14:59
From: Rickard Roentgen
I repeat, she can defend herself against a lynching while trying to lynch someone else without being hypocritical, if she believes her own actions are justifiable and her targets actions are not. That is not hypocrisy, that is a valid distinction. Personally I don't think her inflamatory method of communication is a lynching offense, while I do think theft is. Therefore it is not a similar lynching.

If anybody is tired of the word lynching, suggest an alternative please :).


I believe where the charge of hypocrisy comes in is not in Sensual defending herself against a lynching - it is in criticisizing Lost for starting this thread and supposedly lynching Raquel, while at the same time having done that very thing to Ulrika in the past in some people's estimation. It is all in the perspective, I suppose. I think the use of the word lynching to describe any of this is ridiculous anyway. Raquel did far more with her own words to attract negative attention to herself than did the words of anyone else. Sensual is just expressing herself, per usual, in her inimitable style :)
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Rickard Roentgen
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06-05-2006 15:01
heh, yes, lynching is a silly word, fun to say. I know the distinction that sens makes. It is a very small one by most measures. purely a matter of timing. Anyway, definately just a sens thing that to her it's a battle worthy difference.
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Nolan Nash
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06-05-2006 15:23
From: Rickard Roentgen
Nolan, love ya man, but...

She's not being hypocritical, her whole point thus far is that you SHOULD take issue even if you have "no personal stake in it". And she's right. If it's something that could effect you but has not, then it is still your problem, just not an immediate one. She hasn't done anything worthy of lynching except point out an uncomfortable truth, be insensitive, and have more tenacity then sense. Now I definately get why she irritates people, but none of those things is "wrong" in the same way as theft is. IE, she can advocate lynching while defending herself against a lynching without being hypocritical.
No, she is crying about a lynch mob. All that they are imploring Raquel to do is to turn her friend in IN PRIVATE. How that's a lynching I have no idea, and I do think that term is well overused and that it's an insult to people who have dealt with real lynching.

See Rickard, it wasn't a cut and dried case like this one - it was an allegation which Sensual was unable to prove, and that she ended up apologizing for. I don't think we'll see Lost apologizing.

Here, we have the person in question outing themself, and then admitting they were stolen works. Ulrika did not admit to any such thing. Sensual went on in that thread to name call, calling Ulrika a "witch" among other things. I wish it hadn't poofed from the forums, because it's a must read for anyone privy to Sensual's antics in this thread.

Furthermore, I never indicated that I think that if one doesn't have a personal stake they should take no action - I indicated that it adds insult to injury.

And yes, she is being hypocritical, if you don't agree thats fine, but I think she most definately is. She started a thread about theft in the forums, the person in question outed themself, and Sensual went on the offensive.
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06-05-2006 15:47
From: Nolan Nash
No, she is crying about a lynch mob. All that they are imploring Raquel to do is to turn her friend in IN PRIVATE. How that's a lynching I have no idea, and I do think that term is well overused and that it's an insult to people who have dealt with real lynching.

See Rickard, it wasn't a cut and dried case like this one - it was an allegation which Sensual was unable to prove, and that she ended up apologizing for. I don't think we'll see Lost apologizing.

Here, we have the person in question outing themself, and then admitting they were stolen works. Ulrika did not admit to any such thing. Sensual went on in that thread to name call, calling Ulrika a "witch" among other things. I wish it hadn't poofed from the forums, because it's a must read for anyone privy to Sensual's antics in this thread.

Furthermore, I never indicated that I think that if one doesn't have a personal stake they should take no action - I indicated that it adds insult to injury.

And yes, she is being hypocritical, if you don't agree thats fine, but I think she most definately is. She started a thread about theft in the forums, the person in question outed themself, and Sensual went on the offensive.


Omg do you know how to twist a story.. I never called Ulrika a witch or any other names, nor did I accuse of her anything, I made an observation of the similarities and she jumped in the thread, even after doing so I did not ACCUSE her nor name call.. and I apologized to Ulirka for the entire thing going public as it did, not because I felt I was wrong by stating my observations... but you can continue to try and think you know what you are talking about... Either way I have the right to express myself and I am not harming anyone by doing so... unlike when you lied to people and told them you had all kinds of recordings of me on webcam and God kows what else, you are a cumpulisive liar Nolan, give it up.
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06-05-2006 16:11
From: Nolan Nash
See Rickard, it wasn't a cut and dried case like this one - it was an allegation which Sensual was unable to prove, and that she ended up apologizing for. I don't think we'll see Lost apologizing.

Here, we have the person in question outing themself, and then admitting they were stolen works. Ulrika did not admit to any such thing.

And people accuse me of not paying attention to the details?

The only thing the witch here admitted to was that the skins appeared to be stolen (i.e. based on someone else's work).

But she has been accused by the mob of dozens of things which are pure speculation. Such as (from memory):
1) knowing the skins were stolen before she tried to sell them
2) stealing the skins herself and manufacturing this secret third party
3) lying about any number of things including her profession, her sources, her ability to create a skin from scratch in a short time, ...
4) stealing parts of others work for her new skins

And she has been ridiculed for many, many things including the quality of her new work, assuming she didn't steal that too. Oh, now you've got me started.

But try to bring up the point that any of the above allegations are unfounded and instead of a retraction or apology you get "BUT SHE ADMITTED IT! Are you a fool?"
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06-05-2006 16:23
I've closed this thread--it degraded into personal disputes.
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