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katykiwi Moonflower
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06-03-2006 14:14
It's not thievery if two people happen to be using the same photosource.... _____________________
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katykiwi Moonflower
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06-03-2006 14:19
Is it that the same photosource was used for all these skins? _____________________
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KatanaBlade Anubis
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06-03-2006 14:34
No, I don't. I'm not trying to judge or advocate for either party. As an interested consumer and potential business owner, I have some interest in seeing how these disputes get resolved and what can be done to improve on the process. Given that the case is so cut-and-dried you might want to fill in the other members of your guild, such as Ambyance, because their "facts" don't match yours.. But you sound like a defense lawyer that didnt read the case. If indeed you havent followed the thread then you can not properly post an opinion. You just sound incomplete when you do or just argumentive which is no better then griefing. Well, I have yet to see her say here: I knowingly purchased stolen property. It's possible I missed it, it's hard to keep all the players in this soap opera clear. But from my perspective this kind of sloppy justice is very dangerous. Court of Law don't need much more then a confession. If the confession does not seem to match the evidence then it is investigated more. She admited it, but she is protecting someone else. Her story doesnt seem to pan out and often seems to change. Now it is protecting someone in RL not just in SL. Sounds all fishy to me. So one of two things, a) she is either protecting someone b) she is pretending to protect someone so she doesnt get 100% of the punishment. _____________________
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Lo Jacobs
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06-03-2006 14:42
a) she is either protecting someone b) she is pretending to protect someone so she doesnt get 100% of the punishment. I am going with (b), but some people really *are* that dumb. ![]() _____________________
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Joannah Cramer
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06-03-2006 15:19
Yes...the nude reference photographs are on many websites as well as limewire and kazaa. I just laugh when someone acts like they are the original source when they are not. I don't think Lost is acting like references used for his skins are original source that he owns. His complaint is over another person using Lost's particular _composition_ of these source materials directly, instead of putting them together on their own. A difference between painting a bowl of apples someone already painted once with help of your own brush and skills, and passing that someone else's already-made painting as your own, if you will. |
Siggy Romulus
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06-03-2006 15:57
You blew up your neighbour's mailbox? Fuck that must have been funny. haha I most certainly did - what can I say - since playstation wasn't invented we had to amuse ourselves with black powder ![]() Anyways the point being I guess that in my wild youth I did something that I perhaps shouldn't have done, and I was made be accountable for it. Though it didn't seem very fun at the time - in hindsight I'm glad I was. _____________________
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KatanaBlade Anubis
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06-03-2006 16:35
yes ok, you turned her into an authority. There is no authority to deal with this issue, would you have done the same, and turned her into a lynch mob? In your statement above that I highlighted in BOLD tells me you havent done anything, you truely believe there is no authority to deal with this issue tells me you have not spoken to Linden Lab and told them who took the textures, which leads me to believe and everyone to believe it you are the thief. I understand your reason if someone else is involved to not make it public, I never said I agree to it, I just understand it. I can say though if you took my skin textures (which are handpainted btw not photosourced) and I was in lost's situation. You wouldnt be sitting here acting like a victim. I'd have legal action against you bypassing Linden Lab and you would be turning in your friend, not passing go, not collecting 200. Btw if you can not create your own work that you had to buy,get,steal someone elses work to begin with, what makes you think anyone will trust your so called new skins you are making now or buy from you or support you. You need a new line of work because in the art field Word of Mouth is a far more powerful tool then just a simple white or black list. I don't know you and I don't want to know you, I'm not bullying you either, I am however telling you the truth. Your so called friend real or imaginary is letting all these people make you the bad guy, you need to find new company to keep. _____________________
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06-03-2006 16:49
Yes...the nude reference photographs are on many websites as well as limewire and kazaa. I just laugh when someone acts like they are the original source when they are not. In case you're interested, here's the license agreement from the source that I, Lost, and many others use: LICENSE 1.1 On payment of the License Fee, the Licensor grants to the Developer a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, assignable, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty free license to use the Products and to adapt and modify them in any way the Developer so wishes for the purposes given in Clause 1.3. 1.2 The Products are only licensed to the Developer and are not sold. 1.3 The Products may only be used by the Developer for the following purposes: (a) Personal or commercial use; (b) 3D or 2D art; (c) Inclusion in Computer or video games; (d) Textures and/or 3D models. 1.4 The Developer is not permitted under any circumstances to: (a) Provide any free download of the Products in any web site or electronic devices. (b) To resell the Product itself _____________________
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Raquel Montagne
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06-03-2006 17:04
first off, i never 'acted' the victum, i have just told it as it is.
secondly i CAN create my own content, I have run my own store(s) for nearly a year now, so to discount all of that for one mistake is unfair. |
KatanaBlade Anubis
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06-03-2006 17:26
first off, i never 'acted' the victum, i have just told it as it is. secondly i CAN create my own content, I have run my own store(s) for nearly a year now, so to discount all of that for one mistake is unfair. Stepping on dog poo is a mistake. Putting dog poo in a paper bag in front of a door step and lighting it on fire so someone can step on it is not a mistake. taking an obviously completed SL skin texture made by someone else and selling it as your own, knowing the person you got the source from SL, and can get the source from sl is hardly a mistake. Skins made to fit an SL template is obviously someone elses work. You just havent put the shoe on the other foot yet is what amazes me. What are you going to do when your own content gets taken and abused? Are you going to scream thief? Because you pretty much put yourself up as easy prey for what soon maybe childish payback games, since ya know according to you There is no authority to deal with this issue. There is some food for thought for you. I recomend you turn your friend in to Linden Lab. _____________________
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Raquel Montagne
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06-03-2006 18:17
yes i bought an obviously completed skin because thats what i needed, and thats what was being sold? where is the problem in this?
the problem that has arised is that the base of that skin was someone elses work althogether, that is where the problem is. there is NO problem otherwise with paying someone to design something on your behalf. I did not knowingly buy stolen skins. |
Siggy Romulus
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06-03-2006 18:20
Yes...the nude reference photographs are on many websites as well as limewire and kazaa. I just laugh when someone acts like they are the original source when they are not. I can laugh about those kinds of things.. but I also stop to consider: Is this someone I want hanging around my stuff.. someone who would without a care in the world actively get someones (anyones) work (any work at all) and then sell it as their own to make a quick buck. Is this someone I want on my property around when I'm making something - discussing projects with friends. Do I want this person around if something screws up and some perms are set incorrectly - or the next update produces a bug that lets you make copies of items easily - or creates and exploit in a vendor. For me it isn't about what they did - but about what it tells me about them as a person. _____________________
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Raquel Montagne
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06-03-2006 18:25
what tells me a lot about a person is some peoples inability to forgive for a genuine mistake. im not continuing to sell the items, the files have been deleted from my hd, yet some people want to crucify me, that tells yards about a persons character.
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Siggy Romulus
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06-03-2006 19:05
Well in your own words when the topic was first brought up you said that 'your hard work told you otherwise' - more or less arguing that you had made them yourself... when evidence was shown to the contrary they because an outsourced work - the story changed.
This is why on a fundamental level, i don't believe a word you've said. You can make yourself out to be the victim, and others may buy that - personally I don't. And theres nothing really presented to make me feel otherwise.. to not beleive is not to crucify - its simply not beleiving. _____________________
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Siggy Romulus
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06-03-2006 19:06
Well in your own words when the topic was first brought up you said that 'your hard work told you otherwise' - more or less arguing that you had made them yourself... when evidence was shown to the contrary they became an outsourced work - the story changed.
This is why on a fundamental level, i don't believe a word you've said. You can make yourself out to be the victim, and others may buy that - personally I don't. And theres nothing really presented to make me feel otherwise.. to not beleive is not to crucify - its simply not beleiving. And folks can think what they like about that being on my character - I'm not ripping people off. _____________________
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Raquel Montagne
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06-03-2006 19:12
the chat log (posted earlier) was edited to remove my explanation as to why i didnt reveal I outsourced, as thats not something i wanted known for perfectly legitimate reasons.
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-03-2006 19:23
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Raquel Montagne
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06-03-2006 19:25
yep, and its 100% original i can guarantee that.
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Lost Thereian
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06-03-2006 19:35
yep, and its 100% original i can guarantee that. Raquel, it seems the lips are still mine, just edited into darker colors... _____________________
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Raquel Montagne
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06-03-2006 19:37
not at all, i have 3dsk source photos i worked from
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Lost Thereian
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06-03-2006 19:37
In case you're interested, here's the license agreement from the source that I, Lost, and many others use: LICENSE 1.1 On payment of the License Fee, the Licensor grants to the Developer a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, assignable, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty free license to use the Products and to adapt and modify them in any way the Developer so wishes for the purposes given in Clause 1.3. 1.2 The Products are only licensed to the Developer and are not sold. 1.3 The Products may only be used by the Developer for the following purposes: (a) Personal or commercial use; (b) 3D or 2D art; (c) Inclusion in Computer or video games; (d) Textures and/or 3D models. 1.4 The Developer is not permitted under any circumstances to: (a) Provide any free download of the Products in any web site or electronic devices. (b) To resell the Product itself Ty chip, was going to mention that. _____________________
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Lost Thereian
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06-03-2006 19:38
not at all, i have 3dsk source photos i worked from The lips you are using are not from 3d.sk, sorry. _____________________
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Raquel Montagne
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06-03-2006 19:40
yes they are, corporate membership, sorry
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Siggy Romulus
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06-03-2006 19:46
the chat log (posted earlier) was edited to remove my explanation as to why i didnt reveal I outsourced, as thats not something i wanted known for perfectly legitimate reasons. I honestly don't care the reasons - I can break it down like this: You bullshitted saying you put in your hard work et. al. (sort of reminicsent as you do in the above posts) - and how they MUST be mistaken. And then later - recanted that so that it wasn't your hard work after all. In a nutshell. If you bullshitted then, why should I beleive your not bullshitting now? If you say YOU personally didn't take the textures - how can I believe that also? This is the crux of it - you have one thing and one thing only in Second Life that is really worth anything at all, and that's your reputation. Once thats gone - its all flushed. After reading this entire thread, start to finish, can you give me a good reason as to why I should beleive you? And statements to the effect of 'your just all picking on me and crucifying me' aren't really reasons. _____________________
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Raquel Montagne
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06-03-2006 19:48
dont really care if you believe me.
and boy do you value your 'reputation', apparantly your so well respected, your account is priceless according to your good self. i dont have to justify anything to you ![]() |