BEWARE: Stolen Textures In Second Life!!!!!

One could say that it may put a "fright" into any prospective skin thieves out there... but that's if they read the forums I guess.

I dunno, I see a dead end here, too, and a lot of unneeded stress.

I have an alt..over 2 yrs old... no land though... but actually if I were to get some mainland land, I'd probably use an alt =/

Hmm, I never said that?

sounds alot like cybertown, there was a ton of theft accusations in that place! It was quite easy to convert 3d models into vrml and alot of the popular ones were obviosly stolen, like that camaro from some university site. What they did back then though, was favor the popular kids, and if an unpopular kid was accused he would be made to show shots of the object in its unfinished forms, if a popular kid was accused it was just assumed that he was the originator and the unpopular was the copy, and then they banned the unpopular kid, lotsa people got banned from CT because of drama like that, honestly I'm glad to be away from that now.

Rachel,

You don't behave like an innocent person. You change your story. You insult the person you injured. If you want forgiveness, how about doing the following:

1. Sincere apology without justification or waffling.
2. Take skins off market.
3. Pay Lost whatever proceeds were made from those skins.
4. Either fess up to stealing the skin, or tell Lost who gave her the skins
5. Shut up and recognize that people are justifiably angry with you

Forgiveness comes after true repentance, which includes restitution.

Oh, and don't do it again.

i've not insulted lost, i've defended myself against ambyance's attacks

i have taken them off market

there were no procedes made

i have apologised

and if i shut up how can I apologise?

please, if your going to comment atleast read the thread.

now, good luck with the witch hunt, i'm getting bored with this.

I thought you were bored several posts back?

I see you're missing the confess part or identify the thief part. It's not over until you do that. You act guilty, so as far as I'm concerned you are.

And Siggy is correct, a good reputation is the single most valuable thing you can have in Second Life, or for that matter Real Life. Personally, I wouldn't destroy mine for a few $L.

I don't blame ambyance at all considering your posts. If you had done this to my partner, they would still be looking for all the pieces.

Oh, and as a side note, I don't buy skins because Ferran makes mine custom for me, however, I'm going to go out today and buy one of Lost's just because of this BS. Well, and because I own some of his fabulous hair and he always does high quality work too - which is his reputation.

What he is saying is that the lips are his creation .These particular lips didnt come from 3dsk , even if they had,the creation would still be losts . Lost and I both typically do not take one photo and use that completley for any body part . Lips for example would be a meld of 3 or 4 diff real lip snaps.One possiply for shine ,one for texture,one for tone one for color. This is why its very easy for us to spot our work . It is rare that any body part we use for a skin stays in its natural original form . A small thing such as a nipple may be a few nipples baked together ..not a single nipple cut from a single photo.

We purposley do this so our skins dont look like everyone elses . I would also like to point out that we do not only use 3dsk for our photo sources .We both own very high end cameras and alot of what we use is sourced from our own familys bodys or ourselves .

Renderosity, sells many photo packs, reference material ,and tools for artists who have limited access to high res photos . These tool were created specifically for 3D texture design .While 3dsk and renderosity seem to be the most popular they are by far not the only place to buy such reference material. So, just because somone has heard that Ro or 3dsk is where to purchase the refrences please be smart enough to know its not the only place that these things are purchased . Saying that you use either place and using that as a defense"We used the same reference I guess" means nothing to me .

For future theives , please know that we will always know our work . Its not as cut and dry as you think it is. It is not a simple matter of knowing one of the places we use for our reference material .

I would think for the matter of time and energy that it takes to steal ,redo and face humilating accustaions once your caught it would be much wiser to spend that time learning how to create your own texture . you have so much more to gain in the long run .

Raquel, this person you are protecting must be very special to you for you to take all this hassle yourself. I hope they are worth it. I wouldn't let anyone I cared about take this abuse for something that I did.

Oh I'm sorry... there are some exactly the same on 3dsk... and since you said Raquel used your lips. I thought you were claiming them to be yours...

I also want to try and explain a few differences . I know people are confused on just what a resource is.

Resources come in a few varietys. The first kind is a Merchant resource ,typically this is a full body skin w/nails , a set of eyes and maybe a few diff lips . It is meant to be the "base" texture for your OWN creations . This is great for people who are just learning how to do skins .There are probems with this though...these base textures were created for poser models ..to get them into Sl they must be converted to fit our maps (templates).The shading is normally way to dark and orange for second life lighting . We do not have the same lighting functions as poser so of course the shading is going to be much to harsh for Second Life .

These types of resource packs if used also make it very hard to prove your "own" work. Afterall, it really is somone elses work ,they just have allowed you to use and modify it .These skins will reflect their techinque as a whole and normally that techinique will be apparent in every creation that is made with that base skin .In my oponion I think for the work involved trying to change it and fit it your better off starting from scratch or only using elements of the package or learning from it .

There are makeup packs , lip packs ,eye packs,hair packs . These all come in diff types of Merchant resource packs .These are really great resources , they are only elements of a skin and can give you alot of variety and great starting points . But , these are also fitted for Poser characters so again to use in SL they too have to be modified . These types of packs are stated as "merchant resources".You cannot purchase any poser skin and use it for a resource ,only the ones that were created for this purpose .If you are making your skins using a base that belongs to popular artists such as samildanach,Orion,stormie,or any other merchant from a 3d community you are infact stealing their work . Most of what you wil find in skins at renderosity is NOT merchant resource, they are not open to you using for your own creations . If you do, this is stealing.

3dsk now offers the "corporate " membership as mentioned by raquel . This membership allows you to have acess to completed mapped skins and several other sources that arent given to the general membership holders . These skins have been photo mapped for you basically . The problem still arises that they are not mapped for second life .I dont have the membership but I assume this is greared more for people who model in programs such as lightwave , maya ,3dmax etc. I believe these were meant for actual game designers who have many elements to create in a game other than character textures .This saves them a lil time since they have such a wide array of creations to complete for such a project .

3dsk also offers a general monthy membership.This memebership allows you to have access to photos of real people and things .These photos if you have looked are no different than actual photos that you would take of a friend.The only difference is they are shot in many angles and of course the model is usually nude if they are human . What you pay for are photos and only photos . These are not postworked ,painted or touched up in any way .To create a skin texture with these you must cut each body part,manipulate the part to fit and post work it to blend. This requires more skill and practice than you would think and for second life its even more challenging due to the templates we have to use .This is why when you buy a photo skin you have a higher potential to see seams than you would a skin thats been filled and painted .

Please bare in mind if you use any of these sources ,you have checked an agreement that states you will not share ,resell or distrubute these in their original form . When somone steals from an artist that creates these things it really all rolls down hill. You are not just stealing from the artist who makes their living creating textures , you are stealing from the person who has given that artist the right to use these materials .

You've become a photo skin expert now Sensual? I thought your area of expertise was in hand-painted skins? Will we be seeing you churning out photoreal skins miraculously in 3 days flat now?
Ealier in this thread you were upset because it was starting to become a flame war and it appeared no good end would come of it. Yet here you are fanning those flames.

Sensual , Im about fed up with you . I dont get why you want to be the devils advocate .These lips didnt come from 3dsk,but lets just say they did .The fact remains that she would still have to use the exact same photo and postion of the lips that lost used . She would then have to cut them the same way and place them the same exact way and postwork them the same . I personally know how lost does his lips and I will tell you the chances of her duplicating that procedure is between 0 and nil .

Please stop acting like we are throwing unfounded accustaions .We both know what we are doing and have alot of experience in this area .If this bothers you , Im sorry .We are only expressing what we know as proof and why we know it .

How is a question and observation flames? I am not an expert by any means... but I can see that two pictures look identical... and no I dont think I will be making any photorealistic skins in the near future, but I don't think it is impossible to do a skin in 2 days if that is what you are implying... Although it may not be of the best quality as it usually takes me 2-3 days to make a simple outfit... but that may have something to do with not knowing many shortcuts to photoshop and I don't ever release anything unless I am willing to wear it myself...
I am beginning to believe that anything said in this thread other than " you are a thief or assoiciated with thieves, burn in hell", will just become a counter attack or somehow accused of flaming... this thread is now nothing more than a vicious cycle =/

Hello Ambyance, I am sorry you are fed up with me... well not really... but I have every right to post my observations as you have every right to post your accusations and make it seem that you and Lost are the only ones that know anything about texturing, photosourcing and photoshop... I also was unaware you were now the official voice of Lost...

And still you persist in fanning the fire.

So in otherwords...
If you arent going to join the lynch mob, do not post in this thread

No I persist on posting my thoughts, observations, opinions, facts.. whatever the case may be, in a public forum... and you persist in trying to insult me and refrain me from saying anything you do not agree with =/

Show me where I've insulted you? I am simply excersizing the same rights you are.

Yay, now we are on the same page!

<happy oblivous chatty voice>

I made two skins for SL! They look like tree-bark...

So... would we call them Bins or Skarks?

</happy oblivous chatty voice>

<ahem>

Whole lotta hurt feelings in this thread, and while it seems a few may have needed hurt'in by some people's standards, don'tcha all think that all that can be said, proven, and bludgoned is done now?

Erm, yeah...except I'm still waiting for you to show me where I insulted you. And I still 'observe' that you're fanning flames that don't need to be fanned for no apparent purpose other than to voice your 'opinions'. And after saying that no good would come of such observations and opinions being stated by others in this thread....but you're special I suppose. Everyone else is starting up a flame war, and you...well, you're just stating your opinions. Is the view nice up there?

I am not trying to make it seem that lost and I are the only ones that know about texturing ,photo sourcing, or photoshop. I am trying to explain to those that do not know anything about it how we have arrived at our conclusions. Yes, you are right you do have every right to post your observations ,as I have the right to explain why your observations are inaccurate in this situation.

I am not the official voice of lost . I have never claimed to be . However, Lost and I have been in buisness together for years in Second Life . He is my closest friend and also a buisness partner. Lost and I have different personalities , he is not as confrontational as I am and much calmer in these situations . I believe the balance is good . If lost believes anything I say here is inaccurate he will definatley post what is accurate .

If somone hurts one of my friends , they are also hurting me . I feel sad for you sensual if you dont have somone you feel the same way about .

I commend you for having a friend as close to you as Lost... I feel that same way about Asri... and we have been working together for over 2 years now, and talk on the phone 90% of the time while in SL, but I can't speak for her as much as you have done for Lost because although I know how she does "some" things, she still has her own little secrets when it comes to creating
What you don't understand is that I am not taking sides here, I am just stating my observations and thoughts, and not attacking anyone by doing so... you have expressed how you feel about my thoughts and about other people that have opinions and not attacked Raquel and no one is "fed up"with you or attacking you...
This should have been stopped from public view after Raquel cooperated (in my opinion) and should have been brought to the attention of LL and Lost should have proceeded with copyright infringement actions against Raquel if he feels so strongly about it... I know I would have...I am actually going through the same thing with someone that stole a measily hand drawn fabric texture and refuses to take it out of thier shop and off the market... As I said many times already, Lost is very lucky she took them down willingly... although it is wrong for her to keep them up for sale, but it is a very long process with LL to get them to be taken down without her cooperation.

me too