New Trend of GROUP Banning
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Gambit Kilian
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07-17-2006 15:14
From: Jessica Elytis Read.
The person pasing out teh ban list (false or correct) did use proper channels. As they stated. Abuse Reports were filed with Linden Labs. The names of those on siad list were place on thier land ban lists (as they are allowed to do), and they announced publically about an attack to pass information to a community that requested such actions to combat the rampant upraise of griefing.
The need for a definate system to combat griefers is paramount to those of us who spend time inworld and wish it to be as enjoyable an experiance as possible. Passing on such a list is one method of doing so.
I would also point out that slandering was done by the OP of this thread first. Saying someone is passing false information of such a nature is slander in it's own right. Whomever is saying untruths is the one slandering. Be that the accused griefer, or the suspected griefed.
The desire to want an "innocent until proven guilty" system is admirable, but it is not one we have. Sorry if this upsets you. We work with what we have. As stated, numerous witnesses state you and your group did in fact commit the offenses.
Like a military court, you now must prove your innocence beyond resonable doubt.
If that is unacceptable to you, and to anyone else, then perhaps LL is not for you and WoW is a better place. Until your innocence is proven, many, including myself, will have you banned. Word is spreading fast, and new tools are being given to use by LL each update. Not always what we want, but each one is another step to eliminating griefing. This ban list is simply another tool to that end.
~Jessy It's nice that you like a witch trial, but I've never been banned from the game itself in all of my time playing, and never will. Banning everyone from your land just because someone passes along hearsay to you is immature. Good day to you. |
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Jonas Pierterson
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07-17-2006 16:14
From: Gambit Kilian You've said that, I disagree. I'm going to attempt to draw a dead horse in symbols. . ^^ =(_) . (_____)==- . .|.......| Please proceed to beat my badly drawn horse.  You're the one committing necro-equino-flaggetation. You can disagree all you want. Doesn't make what they say any less true.
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Cilis Nephilim
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07-17-2006 16:55
From: Travis Lambert I'm on the mainland - so I don't have the capability of banning by group name.
However, if I did have that ability, this is how I'd do it:
If I was griefed by an individual, I would ban that individual.
If I was griefed by a 2nd individual who was a member of the same group as the first, I would still ban that 2nd individual.
If I was griefed by a 3rd individual who was a member of the same group as the first two, I'd start noticing a pattern, and ban both the 3rd individual and the group.
If a group officer contacted me and explained calmly and maturely why I don't need to be worried about further members of his/her group griefing me even though 3 already had, I'd lift the group ban if I was reasonably assured.
I think that strategy is pretty fair & logical. Sad thing is that is exactly how it happened, yet no officer came forward to ask forgiveness. Furthermore we have an entire log of the YTMND chat channel, which most of the cake members were in, discussing plans to raid rainbow tiger, furnation and other such places, other members of the same group (cake, using YTMND just to let people ease drop) bragging about how they couldnt assist in that raid, they were already banned for griefing there in the past. You knuckleheads think it is harmless fun, that it doesnt ruin someones day. Well it does, enjoy your exile. (cake/ gambit) |
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Cilis Nephilim
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07-17-2006 17:08
From: Barry Weary This thread is rather troubling. I read through and see one guy being crucified by multiple posters, all without any apparent benefit of any evidence against the guy being crucified. I never thought I'd praise the maturity level of posters on the World of Warcraft forums, but at least there they refuse to convict without evidence.
The "guilty until proven innocent" attitude exemplified by this thread and other threads on these forums is hugely disturbing. I see someone being told to "grow up" for having said something as audacious as "where's your proof?"
I'm not even going to weigh in on whether or not banning a group for the actions of one or two members is or isn't a good or ethical idea. I think there is no absolute answer to that and that the ethics of such a decision depend on the situation. There's nuance there.
But there is no nuance to the collaborative tarring-and-feathering of a single person who has been accused of grievious crimes without even a shred of evidence. That is simply disturbing, and I am only more disturbed by the apparent lack of any voices siding with the accused. I do not know if the accused is a good person or not. I make no such assumptions. But a community that sees nothing wrong with going after one person, mob-with-torches style, on the basis of pure hearsay...I can make assumptions about such a community, and they are not happy assumptions. I saw his bombs, the land owner did, several other people did. Baring witness IS PROOF across most of the world. Not only that, but as for his group, another member griefed us in his group that same day... furthermore, some of our admins are a member of YTMND, because a lot of people implicate themselves in that group stupidly... well guess what we have logs of them saying on the day in question (cake members) Thats right, picking targets to grief and laughing about what they had already done/ where they were banned from. Furthermore why would we take screenshots? In all my months playing this game I have NEVER screenshotted a grief item, instead I do the smart thing and use the build tool to see who OWNS it and then report them. A second reason why it doesnt work? temp on res items still delete themselves with scripts turned off, there wasn't time to take pictures like it was a damned crime scene. Finally, anyone that did might have had UI turned off, thus only presenting a picture of a red and black R2 bomb, or a silver looking pokeball from hell. |
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Briana Dawson
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07-17-2006 17:11
From: Pol Tabla Helpful Forum Hint: If you don't want to be crucified, don't bring your own cross and nails. Also, try to avoid the Jesus Christ pose. I was sent to the deans office several times throughout my highschool years for assuming the Jesus Christ Pose in religion class. Briana Dawson |
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Briana Dawson
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07-17-2006 17:25
From: Barry Weary This thread is rather troubling. I read through and see one guy being crucified by multiple posters, all without any apparent benefit of any evidence against the guy being crucified. I never thought I'd praise the maturity level of posters on the World of Warcraft forums, but at least there they refuse to convict without evidence.
The "guilty until proven innocent" attitude exemplified by this thread and other threads on these forums is hugely disturbing. I see someone being told to "grow up" for having said something as audacious as "where's your proof?" What is troubling is your ability to enter a thread without apparently reading the first page. Proof was made public. No one is being crucified. Gambit is being asinine. He has been caught in a lie WITH PROOF and is pursing the course of slash and burn denial tactics. Deny it enough and people start to believe you....Especially when they don't know the facts. Briana Dawson |
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Torley Linden
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07-17-2006 17:33
Thread closed. Please see the forum Guidelines. Private discussions – the forums are a public area for the Second Life community’s use. Individuals who have a dispute with each other have other channels of communication to discuss their differences or communicate – private messaging, IM within Second Life, or chatting within Second Life. Also, threads that are addressed to a single individual or group are inappropriate on the forums, this includes slander or "naming names" in a posts title, starting polls about a particular resident or group, etc.
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