I think I know a lot more about my game play and experiences in-world than you do.
That's neat.
I'd like you to accept your own premise about everyone you're talking about.
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Enabran Templar
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06-15-2006 09:25
I think I know a lot more about my game play and experiences in-world than you do. That's neat. I'd like you to accept your own premise about everyone you're talking about. _____________________
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Nolan Nash
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06-15-2006 09:27
I don't know about 'all cries of indignance'. I know it'd address my personal concern and there would be no reason for me to raise it. See? took a few back-and-forth's but wasn't _that_ hard to get after all... Oh right, because venue changes the entire complexion of the event... _____________________
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Yumi Murakami
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06-15-2006 09:29
What some people can't accept is that some people are in fact better than others for a variety of reasons. And by better I mean more qualified than others. Its a rather pragmatic approach. Like Jauani said in his post about gardening if he wanted advice he's ask the person with the best garden. Being better does not imply some sort of unfounded superiority on some horrible evil level meant to completely destroy the other person. I can safely say there are a lot of people that qualify as better than me. You're right, but there's an angle you haven't considered, which is that the number of dimensions in which people can be better than others is huge. For example, the fact that a person has a beautiful garden may mean they are good at gardening, but that does not necessarily mean that they are good at giving gardening advice. Teaching and giving advice is a skill in its own right - it requires working out what the other person's level and way of thinking is and working within it to express a point that maybe they don't understand. If you are an experienced gardener then you might be able to use their advice, but if you're a beginner you might be better going to see a gardening teacher, even if the teacher's garden isn't as good as the first person's. Or, one example that most business types seem to clearly agree with - just because you're good at making things doesn't mean you're good at selling them. Equally, just because a person is - for example - a superb scripter or builder does not automatically make them good at representing scripters, or builders, or indeed anyone else. That is not saying that they are not good at that, only that it remains unknown. I suppose you could point out that LL also have no representative for the non-creators who according to Philip make up 75% of the game.. |
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Surreal Farber
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06-15-2006 09:30
If they hadn't announced it, they would have been accused of doing this all in secret. It's kind of a damned if they do, damned if they don't thing. Some people will always find something to complain about no matter what. WORD!! Oh, but wait... I'm just an FIC Stooge. ![]() _____________________
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Siggy Romulus
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06-15-2006 09:31
WORD!! Oh, but wait... I'm just an FIC Stooge. ![]() And a tourist... TOURIST! _____________________
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Devlin Gallant
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06-15-2006 09:31
I am chosen...
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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06-15-2006 09:31
Can we call this contest with all of its categories "The Godwin Awards"?
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April Firefly
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06-15-2006 09:35
WORD!! Oh, but wait... I'm just an FIC Stooge. ![]() Ooh me too, but I want to be Curly. _____________________
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Jauani Wu
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06-15-2006 09:36
Does your garden have a quarter of a million residents who will be all be affected by your choices? So you want gardening tips... you think a garden is just for plants, but by talking to an expert on water features, you might find out some things that change your view of your garden. You've always used concrete slabs for your path - but maybe someone you don't know would suggest a gravel path that would look much better given the surrounding features. You see where I'm heading with this? gardening tips are for gardening. i don't screen a traffic engineer because it's highly unlikely i plan to route a four lane highway through my yard. by your logic i should not preclude that possibility. i can see exactly where you are heading. you are heading to paralysis through analysis. _____________________
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pandastrong Fairplay
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06-15-2006 09:37
That's neat. I'd like you to accept your own premise about everyone you're talking about. Moments of clarity shoud be quoted in Arial Black, size 7, color: red. _____________________
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Jauani Wu
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06-15-2006 09:38
We're already playing it. where do i sign up????? _____________________
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Surreal Farber
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06-15-2006 09:40
gardening tips are for gardening. i don't screen a traffic engineer because it's highly unlikely i plan to route a four lane highway through my yard. by your logic i should not preclude that possibility. i can see exactly where you are heading. you are heading to paralysis through analysis. Damn! I would have just called it committee circle jerk. You have given me a new phrase to drop in my next extended team meeting. Wow! _____________________
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06-15-2006 09:40
There is a missed opportunity here. We could be pro-actively asking LL what aspects of SL they intend to focus on next, then create proposals for ways to advance their aims. If your agenda meshes with Linden Lab's goals and they both get advanced at once, then go you! Except LL have decided who they're going to use to further whatever aims they have, which are not necessarily the best for SL as a whole because they choose to pursue one narrow vision which applies to a tiny percentage of the game's playerbase, rather than thinking of ways to benefit everyone. SL will have no economy if there are no consumers here - and those are the people that aren't being retained. Lewis _____________________
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Jauani Wu
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06-15-2006 09:41
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Chip Midnight
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06-15-2006 09:42
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Jopsy Pendragon
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06-15-2006 09:42
The pres gets to pic his cabinet. We don't get to vote on it. Nolan- I think that's probably the most relevant point that's been brought up in this entire thread. Of course... We don't get to vote on who runs or is hired by LL either. Are we at the point where we expect these to be nominated from the player base and elected into their positions as well? This is not a democracy.Cocoanut- Picking arbitrarily from a list of applicants vs. picking arbitrarily from the entire population: It's still arbitrary. Even picking from a list of nominated applicants is still arbitrary. The illusion of fairness doesn't come about just because there's an application form. Joannah- Okay... so in your reply to Nolan, am I to conclude that you wouldn't object if Linden Lab flew 8 people out for this... as long as they DIDN'T publicize it? The 'pr stunt' part seems to be your objection. Lewis- Re: "how is it wanting to deprive anyone etc exactly" ... Well, BY OBJECTING to it of course. I was asking what you want LL to do, now that they've already announced and committed to this course of action. Do you want them to cancel it (and thus deprive these guests of their visit)? Or do you want them to proceed... or is this all just a negative PR stunt of your own? More specifically: If anything positive and constructive comes from this event, it proves you wrong about it being just a PR stunt. You're the nay-sayer, the burden of proof should be on your shoulders. Do have anything to compare this to except the SOE/SWG meet and greet? I'm sorry that SecondLife isn't the complete replacement for FirstLife that you seem to think LL is trying to market it as. Sounds like your expectations need an adjustment. Claiming that SGW failed because they didn't listen to their customer base is ignoring the fact that they... a STAR WARS game went for a full year before they had space flight or travel between planets. Or that they GA'd with insufficient content and had no means for customers to add their own. Or that there were numerous superior competitors on the market which delivered superior Star Wars experiences. SWG's flaws were up front, before they had customers. They did listen to their customer base, for what it's worth, but had bigger problems. (fwiw, I have actually met staff at SWG face to face, some interesting people. You should hear what they had to say about secondlife -- . )Linden Lab does listen, as much as they can and still get anything done. They may not agree or answer... and they may make decisions without getting feedback beforehand, but they do listen. Of course, you specifically might have made it onto their ignore filters... I can't help with that. Next time you shop for rose tinted colored glasses, try a pair that haven't been coated with opaque paint. Why do I care? Because my blood boils whenever I see someone trying to deprive others of opportunities just because they don't understand or want those opportunities for themselves. (for example, same sex marriage). --- from about 18 months ago, "VERY interesting and definitely worth keeping an eye on" ... "But far too complex to ever catch on. Seriously, they've got around 200 sliders just for personal appearance, no one is going to put up with that." |
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Jim Lumiere
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06-15-2006 09:42
... Politicians are elected by a democratic process. ... OMG ... that is so funny ... really, that is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. ROFLMAO |
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Jauani Wu
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06-15-2006 09:43
rather than thinking of ways to benefit everyone. if you are right, then there will be a huge demand out there for Nerd Life and you will be rich!!! _____________________
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pandastrong Fairplay
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06-15-2006 09:46
SL will have no economy if there are no consumers here - and those are the people that aren't being retained. I can vouch for this. I know all of the Chosen Ones (fic loll), and can provide affidavits proving that they are not consumers. None of them have ever purchased products within SL, and all of them reject our Lord Christ and club baby seals. _____________________
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Rasah Tigereye
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06-15-2006 09:46
I think, in short, since LL is a company interested in making a profit, they will choose whatever gets Lewis to give them more money.
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Cindy Claveau
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06-15-2006 09:53
If the dust in this thread is settling at all, I wanted to point one thing out: The individuals named by LL are actually in-world. They can be IM'd and might even respond to a courteous approach. The ones I spoke to last night were very gracious and open to suggestions for topics to raise once they meet with LL. I never got the idea that they were going with the intent of promoting their own personal agenda at all.
So the choice is to bitch and whine in this thread about it, or actually interact with the committee and see what their thoughts are. Of the two, I think the latter is by far the most productive but that's probably just me ![]() Back to your regularly scheduled flame war. _____________________
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Nolan Nash
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06-15-2006 10:02
You're right, but there's an angle you haven't considered, which is that the number of dimensions in which people can be better than others is huge. For example, the fact that a person has a beautiful garden may mean they are good at gardening, but that does not necessarily mean that they are good at giving gardening advice. Teaching and giving advice is a skill in its own right - it requires working out what the other person's level and way of thinking is and working within it to express a point that maybe they don't understand. If you are an experienced gardener then you might be able to use their advice, but if you're a beginner you might be better going to see a gardening teacher, even if the teacher's garden isn't as good as the first person's. Or, one example that most business types seem to clearly agree with - just because you're good at making things doesn't mean you're good at selling them. Equally, just because a person is - for example - a superb scripter or builder does not automatically make them good at representing scripters, or builders, or indeed anyone else. That is not saying that they are not good at that, only that it remains unknown. I suppose you could point out that LL also have no representative for the non-creators who according to Philip make up 75% of the game.. Your point? I'd still ask a gardener how to plant my clematis, and a mechanic when I should have my oil changed. Some small percent of the time they may be wrong, but overall, I think it's a safe bet to ask the guy at radio shack about single throw toggle switches. Or, should we just cancel it all, not trust anyone, and crawl back into the ocean? _____________________
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Surreal Farber
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06-15-2006 10:03
Except LL have decided who they're going to use to further whatever aims they have, which are not necessarily the best for SL as a whole because they choose to pursue one narrow vision which applies to a tiny percentage of the game's playerbase, rather than thinking of ways to benefit everyone. SL will have no economy if there are no consumers here - and those are the people that aren't being retained. My post was focused on the future. You're still fixated on a done deal. Until we're playing Lewis Life, Linden Lab gets to choose and their the ones you have to convince. OK.. I'm tired of beating this zombie horse. _____________________
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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06-15-2006 10:03
ohhhh please do tell !!!!!!!!!!! its an art school thing.... vermillion, alizarin crimson, cadmium red medium light and dark, napthol red.... brick red... red-orange... maroon... burgundy.. etc. _____________________
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pandastrong Fairplay
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06-15-2006 10:04
Until we're playing Lewis Life... Is that like British Tringo? _____________________
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