The Profanity Conundrum: Here's the deal.

This thread is totally crazy, you people do know that, do you?
I feel the need to enact some Frans Fu and put the thread to sleep.

You'll be getting a Tony for that one, to be certain.

You know from here that looks like a personal attack on someone !! A dollar says you get AR'd for that

Dude, don't mess with Frans. I read this on franscharmingfacts.com:

The real problem with these forums is all the gratuitous violence, and not nearly enough gratuitous sex.

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I have no idea what that is ok.

I could not of said it better

Cat

Minute hand on a grandfather clock, perhaps?

But by wanting to change the way she posts aren't you doing the same thing she is doing? You are policing her.

That argument doesn't really work, though.

Dude A prevents Dude B from entering the pet shop.

Dude B: Let me go in, Dude A! Don't try to control me!

Dude A: You're trying to control me, by telling me I'm not allowed to control you. You're just as bad as me gyahahahaha!


Come on, now.

I got my income tax refund depostied in my checking account and the whole process between filing and the money showing up took less than 10 days. When I saw the balance on my computer screen, I yelled "woot". Then I looked over at my bf and said, I didn't just say woot did I? He confirmed I did. LOL!

Back to the OP. I have to sit on a bus and listen to everyone from teenager's to people my age use the f word over and over again, thank goodness for my iPod. At work I have some coworkers who use it liberally. I manage to make it through my whole day without using profanity. I refuse to believe that I failed to get some point across because I didn't use those words. I am sadden that it has become commonplace and even more sadden that a group of people I considered reasonably intelligent can not communicate without using those words.

Just bear in mind that it can offend someone. Just because it doesn't offend you, doesn't make it completely unoffensive. Just a thought.

I didn't think they were PG either, judging by what all I've read on here for the past year, which was very puzzling. I just asked about it right after we got the resmod system, cause I didn't think it was fair to sanction people for something that wasn't even a rule.

Then somebody said yes it was, and directed me to the TOS where it said they were PG just like PG in the game is supposed to be. And they are! Then someone also quoted Robin somewhere (maybe in this thread) where she had clarified that it was supposed to mean free from profanity and nudity and other adult content.

As I said earlier, much of this stuff is difficult to precisely define and enforce. But, as I also said earlier, it's not that hard to define, and for sure it doesn't include f'in this and f'in that. And if it doesn't include it in the game, it shouldn't include it in the forums.

And as I said earlier, I didn't make up the rule.

I don't even CARE about the rule. (Except insofar as LL would be much smarter not to present a cesspool of forums to all its new members.) I care that the rule is there, yet it's understood that it doesn't really apply, unless they want it to.

As a result, some people can violate that rule repeatedly, while others get warned for much milder comments. It would be better not to have the rule than to allow people to flaunt it right and left, including in a clearly antagonistic manner.

Enabran, I got on Cocoanut Koala to try to see if I could upload pictures on it to Classified a couple of nights ago (before I knew it was a widespread problem), and I just haven't changed it back.

coco

Again, please quote the relevant part of the TOS. I read it today along with the Community Standards and Forum Guidelines and did not find anything to support your assertion.

It is quite clearly a platinum edition penis attachment that has been so severely culled it is being rendered with ASCII characters.

I'm not sure what you are getting at, Surreal, but this is what I found. Here are the applicable passages, which, as I mentioned earlier, I was unaware of myself until recently:


From the Forum Guidelines:

Moderation Policy
Linden Lab provides these forums in the belief that promoting discourse and the sharing of ideas leads to a stronger, better informed community. We allow full freedom of expression, within the limits of the Community Standards.



From the Community Standards (and as partially quoted in post #34); bolding mine:

Indecency
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M).

Global Standards, Local Ratings
All areas of Second Life, including the www.secondlife.com website and the Second Life Forums, adhere to the same Community Standards. Locations within Second Life are noted as Safe or Unsafe and rated Mature (M) or non-Mature (PG), and behavior must conform to the local ratings. Any unrated area of Second Life or the Second Life website should be considered non-Mature (PG).


And as quoted in post #71, bolding mine:

Originally Posted by Robin Linden
"The PG designation shouldn't be taken literally to mean 'parental guidance'. We borrowed from the movie rating system in using that rating name, but its real value is in designating a space in SL where profanity, nudity, and adult content won't be present."


coco

Since you keep flipping names Cocoanut, you slipped off my ignore list, that said I believe said quotes make no mention of the forums. I also believe that was Surreal's point. Neither the TOS, CS, or even Robin's vague post could by any stretch be construed to take a stance on whether the forums are PG or Mature.

...which in turn renders this whole discussion both moot and academic no?

The quote seems to imply that the forums and website proper are two separate entities and since PG doesn't seem to currently apply to the forums (in so far as your assertion as to profanity), that seems to further support that implication.

Yes, no?

Nice dodge off so many ignore lists with the constant name flipping by the by.

I'm under the impression that the forums (since you have to be a member to access them) don't really fall under that clause - I could be wrong though

Hmm.

A portion of the picture emerges, perhaps. Like assembling a corner of a jigsaw puzzle -- it feels solid, but there's more to discover.

Frankly I'd be willing to bet the other portions of said puzzle have something to do with 'Cookie' having a clean wrap sheet, unlike Koala. I could be wrong, we'll see.

Never thought of that!!

Rezmod 'Pharkbawlz Brokken' does have a ring to it!

No. The wording is clearly meant to indicate that the forums are unrated and, as a result, should be treated as PG.

The issue arrises from the fact that despite what it says, the enforcement has been something other than how that reads.

History does not back you up.

You didn't used to have to log in to view the forums.

Then someone made the point that that opened up a lot of non-PG stuff to the public eyes.

The forums were made log-in only.