Did Anyone Read This? Res Mods Phase 2

While I don't think they can come out and say as much, having worked in similar fields, the answer basicly is no, with a hidden yes. There are people who are overly sensitive or abuse the system. In both cases, while you have to pay attention to what they are saying - even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and all that -, you do have to take into account the users history. Even if you try not to, to a certain extent it's almost inevitable... "Boy who cried wolf" comes to mind, and as in the story its as much the boy's fault as the people who didn't help him.



In addition to what Joy said, I think also that what was meant was that there are always going to be one or two people, not always the same ones, just in general, that find anything offensive. The old adage of not being able to please everyone.

I guess they are as guity of reading between the lines as I am in this case then

Good point there, thanks

How many ARs are filed in a week's time? Is that number available for public consumption? I'm just curious because I can't imagine trying to explain how I was being abused in the forum to a moderator with a straight face. Seriously, AR's have got to be people's idea of a joke, seriously.

It would be interesting to see the total ARs for a given period and, without identifying anyone, the amount that come from unique users.

Sadly, the ARs are not people's idea of a joke. It would be even more sad if they were, as that would have directly contributed to the situation we find ourselves in now.

OK, GOOD, now I understand! Thank you so much, Sachmo.

It really doesn't have anything to do with the rules per se.

It has to do with what is "generally accepted" and what "offends the same few." In other words, "how the community feels" about a poster, and whether or not it is the "same few" who happen to be pointing out the egregious and repeated flagrant abuse of the TOS.

THAT EXPLAINS A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT.

At first it was overwhelming, and a lot of you "jumped the gun" actually trying to enforce the TOS. And THAT'S when you got clued in to the fact that the rules are actually secondary to who is wanting them enforced.

That's when you got clued in by Jeska as to what to pay attention to and what not.

So . . . some of y'all on these forums gave me a bum steer when you told me after six months or so to give up on my refusal to AR anybody. And told me to either go ahead and do it or shut up; that I couldn't criticize the forums if I wouldn't use the system.

Didn't ya? Didn't ya? You led me down the garden path.

Because, see, they don't LOOK to see if anyone has ACTUALLY SAID something against the TOS like, say:

what a collossal turd biter you are

I'm sick of your retarded posts.

Please please please please shut the fuck up.

you are hereby cordially invited to go fuck yourself And until that day comes I'll take great pleasure in fucking you 8 ways of wednesday.

Bend on over, touch your toes, I'll show you where the monster goes.

Heres a double dose of up your arse

for being a fuckttard

Ah well - fuck him

Or anything of the kind. (Sorry, poster, I was saving yours to say back to you one day, knowing that I shouldn't be disciplined for it, as you weren't; not to say that you are the only one getting away with stuff like this).

NO NO NO. It has nothing to DO with what was said or anything as unimportant as the published TOS we all agree by.

They don't look at the rules, or even THINK of the rules. They look at who is doing the reporting. It has to do with "what is generally accepted" by anyone "other than a certain few." That explains a LOT.

If it is okay with everyone except "a certain few" (assumed okay, that is, by the fact that they haven't AR'd the post, possibly because they are already sure "a certain few" will), then it is obvious -

Those "certain few" don't count.

More onorously, it is obvious -

The TOS doesn't count.

Which explains why

The TOS is only enforced against some of us.

Well, here's what I think about the TOS, the resmod program, and LL for allowing such a corrupt, ridiculous, unjust, and flat-out dishonest system:

you are hereby cordially invited to go fuck yourself And until that day comes I'll take great pleasure in fucking you 8 ways of wednesday.

Bend on over, touch your toes, I'll show you where the monster goes.

Now, let's see if my saying the above offends more than "a certain few."

Let's just see. If enough people AR it - and by that, of course I mean "the right kind of people," not those "certain few" - then I will get a warning, right? Maybe a suspension?

But if someone else says these things, it's fine. Thank you very much for explaining this system to me in a way that finally makes sense. The rule is not the rule of TOS, or the content of a post, but rule by number of people AR'ing any post, and rule depending on who is doing the AR'ing and who is being AR'd.

coco

I personally don't think the ResMods program was a good idea. I think they should just get rid of the forums in lieu of a better in world announcement system, and leave discussion forums to be created and maintained by the residents - like SLU.

My point is that there are plenty of places to register your opinions on the issue, and its clear Eboni was jumping the gun and trolling; when called on her nonsense, she flipped. I showed two places, one in the forums, and one in world at a regularly scheduled meeting, where she could have registered her opinions if she really cared.

As I said before, occasional trolling that is funny I can live with; constant, non-funny trolling is another matter altogether. It brings nothing to the table.

Regards,

-FlipperPA

They always know it's me, when I do an AR, because I SIGN THE DAMN AR'S. I never dreamed this would send them immediately to the circular file cabinet, just as I would never dream of AR'ing anonymously.

coco

Whoa! I think this says a lot. For example, it seems to be saying that breaking a rule is OK if its "generally accepted" but that breaking a different rule isn't OK because it isn't.

It also seems to say that its OK to marginalize people because their views fall into the category of "irks one or two people everytime". So that their complaining about the broken rule can be ignored ... 'cause its just those same pesky, irksome couple of people.

This seems to say that assertions that some people have a pass to say and do anything they want are correct. That their pass reads "generally accepted".

This seems to say that with or without a name attached to an AR, that conclusions are being drawn about who sent it.

Really, isn't the whole point of a rule is that its consistently applied? So that the field, whatever it is, is level? Otherwise, the rule is a weapon, wielded by those that happen to be holding it.

Finally, I have to agree with other opinions here. From my experience with corporate-speak; this has all the earmarks of a decision already made, and any request for feedback is just milestone on a project plan -- something to be checked off and moved past. This appears to be not so much about collecting feedback as being able to say later that "we collected feedback".

Your'e shutting me out of business?

Nope! You're hilarious and through your creatively delicious trolling, you often make points, whether you mean to or not. To quote Banky from Mallrats, "I think I've made it clear through the tenure of our friendship that I don't know S***!" To which TS replies, "Ah, but you accidentally let a nugget of truth fall out of your ass."



-Flip

Beautiful!!!!!! *wild applause from Leck* This is a forum first!!!

No, your trolling is always funny.

He was refering to me.

I will say that while I'm emphatically opposed to ResMods, I do want the forums to stay open under Linden control.

Oh I didn't flop or flip, I took a damn nap. Stop patting yourself on the back because I have a life and don't archive forums for future reference. As far as trolling threads this one takes the cake for the day and it was created by you and adds nothing meaningful to forums whatsoever and has only been used as a vehicle to belittle others thus far.


I made a simple thread asking if anyone has noticed they were pushing forward a program no one asked for or wanted. Making a thread and placing it in a forum no one barely reads is not a good method to gain community feedback.

PS

The cool kids used kthxbi like 6 years ago, now only lames use it, and spell it wrong.

Ya I noticed this too.

It reminds me of how Arthur Dent's house got slated for demolition in The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy... When he complains, he is informed that the plans had been up for his perusal for months – albeit behind a locked door in a disused lavatory with no lights in the basement, but they were there!

We don't know who files AR's, I'm not talking about individual people, but rather individual AR's. I'm sure it doesn't come as a suprise that some of the rules are open to interpretation.

You might get one abuse report from someone saying "This poster used the word Poop... these are PG forums". Then you decide, is "poop" a generally accepted non-PG word to the community.

In contrary you may see 10 AR's that say "This poster used the word Poo... and Poo is offensive".

Only over time do you realize the word Poo greatly offends people and the word poop doesn't.

If the rules were so black and white, there would be no problems with resmods, it would be easy and generally accepted when someone was breaking the rules.

You can't see who is doing the reporting, Coco. They don't include that information on the notice.

I wasn't meaning you specifically, Coco. There are some who do have a very distinct style all their own. I completely agree with you, though. What's the point of having abuse reports if most of them go by the wayside because only one or two people bothered to report offensive posts? I typically do not bother ARing much of anything, but that's mostly because I'm lazy - that, and I think it's kinda silly to ban someone from the "game" if they get banned from the forums. Most of the time, the way a person presents themselves in forums is not the way they act in world...

Cocoanut,

I have to say I have never been more impressed by anything you have ever posted. I agree with it 100%, and it is exactly what is wrong with both the ResMod program, and the forums in general. There is zero consistency, and very obvious bias. That bias is even more apparent now.

Thanks for the laugh, Coco.

I think Philip should make that his signature.

Except that isn't funny. If you said that in most groups of decent people it would be considered sexual harassment, but someone was allowed to say it in these forums and as far as we know it went unpunished. She didn't just make that up off the top of her head, I remember who posted it.


The fact you find it humorous means maybe you shouldn't be a resmod since lack the judgement to see what crosses the line and what does not.

Juro, I am telling you that I sign my name to my AR's. In other words, I say, "this post was a personal attack, coco".

Look, people on these forums had a hard time even getting me to use the stupid tattle-tale system. I had hoped to appeal to broader notions of humanity, decency, and what sort of forums would appeal to the general public, who we hope will come to SL and join. (Or at least I hope that; I know some people hate the masses.)

So if I'm going to AR something, I'm damn well gonna stand up for it and put my name on it, and if you guys aren't seeing my name, it's because you also aren't seeing the text I put in my AR. Which means all you are seeing is the fact that something was AR'd.

Which means it is Jeska who is blowing off my AR's, and possibly telling you, "well, never mind that post, only a certain few objected."

And Sachmo, I'm glad to know that the rules are so totally murky that I can tell you to go fuck yourself, and there will be no problem.

coco

Look's like he ain't. Jumping out of the ResMod car to stretch your legs, Juro?

Fine and dandy. I found it funny in the context by which it was written: a (near) tantrum aimed toward LL. That, I did find funny and I'm sorry if my sense of humor is different than yours.


Ahhh... well, good thing I'm not one anymore. I resigned.