Did Anyone Read This? Res Mods Phase 2

Yes, the Linden Announcements forum is very similar to a locked door in an unused loo in a darkened basement.

Of course, there is a giant sign pointing down the stairs saying "Lindens post Announcements you might want to read down here ----------------->".

I agree that there is a communication problem, but it is mostly the lack of a consistent dissemination pattern that annoys me. I would regularly check Announcements if the forum was posted to, but having followed that sign down into the basement a few times and found nothing, I'm too gassed to do those stairs anymore. However, it most certainly should be read and is not an odd place for announcements to appear.

And then there were 7.

Slightly over half of the ResMods didn't survive to Phase II. Now, I was being serious when I said that the selected ResMods were a "Dream Team." None of my complaints were about any of the selected ResMods. However, I do have grave concerns about the quality of ResMods six months from now, when the program burns through the best of the best and we are left with all the rest.

Wait - you think that they validate an AR based on who submits it. The identity of the person who AR's a post is hidden. Yet, you sign your name.

I would suggest not signing your name and see if you get better results.

I largely used that analogy to be cute. I know it isn't a perfect analogy and I apologize for the confusion.

Yep. I feel free again.

No problems with me. I don't get that personally attached to the forums.

If enough people have a problem with you telling me that, I'll put the thread up for Linden review and let Jeska decide.

It's also worth saying, that while I make Resmod decisions based on what is generally acceptable to the community, we each have the freedom to resmod in our own way. Another Resmod may close this thread for that. I think this kind of diversity in resmod'ing even helps better reflects the community in general as some resmods are likely to be strict and other more hands off, like the community itself.

So, just to make sure I understand, there isn't even a /pretense/ of consistency?

We were asked to use the TOS and Community Standards as our guide. Do you think everyone around here thinks they mean the same thing?

With that said, this new "phase" is an attempt to better get on the same page.

At the risk of turning this into a private conversation, I'll reply to this before shutting up -- having made the point I wanted to.

To answer your question, yes. I thought the TOS and Community Standards meant what they say. Otherwise, what is the point of having them at all?

As Coco says, this explains so much. Thank you for the enlightenment.

Im going to go away and color now.

I really feel bad for Sachmo and the other resmods, I really do. Here he is at the front line, trying to make sense of and defend a system that's totally defenseless.

It's not his fault if they aren't told to follow the TOS, and to follow it equally for all residents.

coco

OMG this is sooo against the Forum Guidelines

"Private discussions – the forums are a public area for the Second Life community’s use. Individuals who have a dispute with each other have other channels of communication to discuss their differences or communicate – private messaging, IM within Second Life, or chatting within Second Life. Also, threads that are addressed to a single individual or group are inappropriate on the forums, this includes slander or "naming names" in a posts title, starting polls about a particular resident or group, etc."

But would anyone reasonably believe that a post like this should be deleted? It really isn't that black and white.

I still think my suggestion of ResMods having separate moderating identifies - as happens on many other forums - would make it much easier for ResMods to actually enforce the rules without fear of retribution from fellow players.

Of course, all their work would be reviewed by Jeska so if a particular ResMod was being over-zealous, no doubt it would be caught up with in due course.

Lewis

Wait - I thought ALL AR's ultimately went to Jeska to read.

Yes? Or not?

coco

You know, Cocoanut, I owe you an apology for something. For a long time I didn't place much credence in what you were saying about special treatment, and people being singled out. In the past month or so, I have seen it pretty blatantly, and I have honestly been surprised by it. While I may not agree with the rules of these forums, having rules that are selectively and arbitrarily applied is horrible. I am sorry that I doubted some of what you were saying - it has become pretty crystal clear of late.

Personally, if it was me being asked to moderate, I would want to know the names of the people making the complaints.

Yes, this information would necessarily affect how you treat some complaints, but that is unavoidable anyway. Everyone being treated with equal opportunity is not the same thing as "everyone should be treated the exact same."

There are people who abuse the AR system and I think the moderators need to know that info to do their job correctly. Putting anonymous little hate notes in a box so people can be "investigated" is so Orwelian really. The person complaining has the right to feel protected from the person they are complaining about, but not from "the cops."

It's human nature to try to judge the AR's in any case. Perhaps with the names removed, the moderators will perhaps unconsciously try to suss out who it is complaining anyway. Consider the fact that certain people *do* have particular styles or writing. How easy would it be to make a whole series of AR's that (because they are anonymous), appear to come from a particular person?

I can see the benefits of this system.

My only issue is that an anonymous ResMod could go a long way to harass a forum opponent (by way of creative and biased interpretation of TOS/CS) before the victim will be aware and able to build a convincing case that "something fishy is going on."

If the identity of a ResMod is public, your enemy may go out of their way to recuse themselves from your cases to prevent the ensuing controversy.

Ultimately, if the rules were being enforced consistently, it shouldn't matter if someone abuses the abuse report system or not. If there is nothing actionable in the post, it doesn't matter if the same person reports it 50 times. Regegardless of who is reporting it, if it contains a violation, it contains a violation. The reporter doesn't determine what makes it a violation, the moderator does.

I've never asked but I assume they do. But if she's out doing other community stuff while I have some time to Resmod, and there is a thread in question, I can move it to a sub forum called "Linden Review". This takes it out of circulation until a Linden can read it and decide to put it back into circulation or take some action.

I'd rather move something to Linden Review then close/delete a thread. I don't have a problem moving threads to different topics though as that just seems like good housekeeping.

What a horrible thought. I'm glad I make it a point to sign mine.

coco

That part, I understand. Better to move to Linden Review than close or delete a thread.

But - I am assuming that all the AR's about individual posts get reviewed by Lindens.

I would also think that the resmods would know whether they do or not.

coco

Yes. I am confused and it seems the RMs don't even know what the process is now. I thought the only thing an RM could do is move it for Linden Review, not permanently close on their own? This misinterpretation on my part changes my stance entirely.

I am amused to no end by this.

Someone pass Cristiano a complimentary foil hat, I need all of mine.

Your right. The option is available but it doesn't functionally work. I never actually tried it before. Sorry I don't know all the functionality yet. I don't claim to be the best resmod I'm just trying to bring some transparency to the program. With constructive community feedback the system can get much better.

"Diversity, open to interpretation". Are both words you have used.

Ok I will bite. What part of any res mod intuerpets "fuck you" as anything but a means to insite anger? Yet it can and has been said in a pretty vile way. Yet the poster continues to post. "go fuck yourself" Is not IMO within the PG standards; of these boards. Yet it's allowed by some. If I said those things to ppl I bet, I would be perma banned. End of story.

How about a little consistancy.

Eyes wide open.

Cat

Thank you, Cristiano.

coco

Oh, I sign mine, too.

Sincerely,

Cocoanut Cookie, aka Cocoanut Koala, aka Strawbearry Shortbread