Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

Whelp, looks like we're screwed bloody. You do know this is what they wanted the whole time, don't you? It's only slightly less onerous than the first plan.

No thanks, boy. I'm still quitting my property at the end of this rental period and I hope everyone else does too.

Eat it,

Don

As I sit here reading all of the posts. several who say, "I can adjust to the rate increase with time" I have to think of the way to kill a frog on boiling water. If you put the frog in boiling water he will jump out. If you ptu him in cool water and gradually increase the heat, you can bring it up to boiling and he will sit there and die. I for one am smarter than a frog.
OC

Thought the Lindens were going to get involved with this, at least defend there corner or explain,

Jack, Jack, Where are you Jack?

( Tumbleweeds drift down the empty street )

Compared to that was an OS costed and delivered (75 USD für 3750 Prims) and what LL offers now for the same cost (75 USD for 750 prims) we have a price raise of 5 times - "rip off" would be a to nicely term for that.

The "Homestead" thing has the same price raise then originally announced before, but with more limitations, some are still unknown.

One of the last good clubs of SL, the XCESS can't stay anymore longer as it was dedicated, in a nice waterworld. It was the heart of a complete waterworld project.

Linden Lab seems to be more and more a "partner" which is completely unpredictable in sense of a stable business inworld economy, with such drastic price raises without grandfathering. Lots of dreams, work and energy will be destroyed with this behaviour.

I completely cannot understand why LL does not offer 1/4 or 1/2 loadable regions, just with the same grid size but 1/4 or 1/2 load capacity for 1/4 or 1/2 prices of full regions (or maybe a slightly increase as handling fee). That would be a serious and fair offer.

If LL needs a better relation between usage, payment and cost then there would be much better ways to achieve this, instead to destroy the half inworld economy with such wild actions, for i.e.:
- get rid of traffic bots and campers
- take a small minimum fee from everyone
- ok, if necessary plan reasonable fee increases, but for all and with a fair grandfathering

Without grandfathering and such massive increases LL looses all their creditability.

I dont give up so soon, but now I am at a point to give up all inworld projects / business.

Roya
(sorry for typos, I am not a native english speaker)

I agree $95 increase to a homestead OS is more resonable.

With more prims and more resources Cora... not with limits we do not have now. You can understand when a service charge you more if they give you more. But when somebody charge you more to give you less... they think you are stupid and they are stealing from you.

Don't you think?

I totally agree. Look at this from a standpoint of usage: Even properly used Openspaces are succeptable to burst usage. Were a water sim made one of these new castrated Openspaces and a regatta were held, the first fifteen or twenty boats could cross through fine, but the last few would get returned with the old "Parcel is full" line, due to SecondLife's misshandling of vehicles over borders (http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-22). If it were a land sim, most of the prims would be used up by trees, paths and benches, leaving none for passing vehicles.

I also agree that $75 a month is way too much for only 750 prims. Like... ridiculously too much.

And moreover, warnings and communication about the overuse of Openspaces could have prevented this WHOLE issue, as usage would likely have dropped, and there would have been no need to take away the sim's capacity for burst usage as this would. In the end, such communication would have affirmed confidence in Linden Labs as a whole, and would have proven the abilities of it's new CEO.

As it is, the lack of communication and transparency on this issue has blindsided everyone, resulting in the huge rebellion we've seen. Our confidence in Linden Labs has been shaken. Our confidence in it's new CEO has been destroyed, and many are considering leaving SL alltogether in favor of newer Virtual Worlds set to soon come online. This is one of the biggest mistakes LL has ever made, and it's likely to cost them one of the greatest disasters in the history of the SecondLife Franchise.

And after all this, there is evidence that the "Overuse" of Openspaces may not even be legitimate at all. Ask Dan Linden about VWR-8503. Better yet, have a look yourself: { http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8503 } If you read the comments, particularly near the bottom, it becomes evident that the root cause of the reported issue is much larger than suspected, and could be causing all of the asset server slowness and errors, as well as an increased load on all sims, resulting in tainted figures for sim usage.

In short, Openspace "overuse" may be a direct result of an SL bug that has yet to be addressed, or even noticed by anyone but Dan Linden, who had the courage and profesionalism to listen and help investigate the issue.

I propose that the entire notion of Openspace Price Hikes needs to be re-evaluated in light of this issue, and the discussion preferably postponed until such time as this issue is fixed, and untainted figures on sim usage can be assessed.

Teh bunneh has spoken!

Good catch. Maybe they can fix that while they're adding a definition of "habitation".

We dont know yet what they will provide but we do know the platform is supieror so that remains to be seen. However, you dont seem to have read the mycom web site which clearly states they intend to allow user content to be made and sold and, while they make no refernce to SL's way of doing things, they are clearly aiming at the same market.

not sure about that...I'm on the frog's side...

In Second Life you have the option of leaving it, and taking your content with you. In other 3d environments they own everything you upload. That's a hell of a difference.

I am sure this will be revised over and over. Obviously this isn't "land" anymore. This is server usage. I will never look at a parcel as if it were land again. That illusion is gone. Sadly, that illusion was what made this a "world". It might as well be any number of other services now.

Maggie you on the LL payroll, or just a big time Koolaid drinker?

Same increase, over additional months at the expense of the capability of the OS - This is an improvement?

750 prim voids, limited to 10 avitars for the same cost as an OS now - No improvement, in fact it all but ELIMINATES the ability to use them for sailing events.

In case you had forgotten, THIS IS RL.. the very Real money comes out of my very real pocket and into LL very full coffers, just like the phone company, electric utility, or Apartment complex.. and if the phone company tried this, I would be just as upset.

SO M's blah blah blah, price increase still goes thru.. blah blah.. but we are going to limit them even farther than we originally announced.. blah blah blah... but OMG WE LOVE you guys... blah blah..

Is just a bunch of BS, and quite honestly from most posts here, the customers of LL are sick and tired of poop sandwiches!

oh? lmao. You really think so? Why, because that's in your contract? What contract? Obviously, LL can do what they like.

If you from this point on believe any claim they make will be in effect longer than it takes them to deposit your cash, you are a sucker, in my opinion.

Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying at all.

What I was saying is that last week, we had open space sims with 3750 prims and an undefined usage limit (which means one couldn't count on any particular usage being acceptable) for $125/month, staring in Jan. Now, we have homestead sims with 3750 prims and a defined usage with a delay in the full price increase. And we have a new lower prim product now called open space sims.

So, last week you could have kept your openspace sim, starting paying $125/month in Jan and then found out in Feb that you were over using it and could no longer do what you intended. Now, you can read the definition and see if your intended use fits before your tier raises in Jan and you have more time to absorb the tier increase into either your personal or business budget.

I'm not saying that changing the product the way Linden did is good or acceptable. I'm just saying that the announcement this week is better than the announcement last week.

Firelight

True. All we can do is think about whether the things we do in SL are worth the fees that LL charges us.

Friend, I can't even FIND the mycom website. Google returns a bunch of results that have nothing obvious to do with 3d environments.
Nurien says the same thing, but what they mean by "user content" is not what anyone in SL would recognise as such.

OK You got me. You've managed to muddy the waters evern more with your latest post. I want to know what these "restrictions on scripts and prim" are going to be for the new "homestead" spaces, and how will that effect having a house that actually functions in sl rather than a bunch of pretty prim sitting there doing nothing.
I also would like to know just how you can say you're solving the problem when it appears you're still going to get your 67% increase on thes "light use' homestead sims; abiet 6 months later than you wanted.
How LL can call this a solution is beyond me. Tell me more about the homestead. What EXACTLY are you offering, for how long and why should we bother to try to use it. I want an OS to place my home...JUST my home, and my sailboat and a few scrits (ie my Multi Animation Tool). I don't want to try to get one if you're going to tell me I can only have 1700 prim and 4 scripts!

I saw that many appreciate the new solution. Please expalin me why. I cant understand it.

- At the beginning of this discussion it was "only" a price raise to 125 usd.

- Now it is a (lil bit slower but effectively still the same) price raise to 125 usd plus an addional reduction of allowed users + scripts.

That sounds clearly worse to me than before where there was no user / script reduction. So why do ppl like it better now? Does "homestead" sound so much cosier?

Best Ice

They decided you were getting more value than what you were paying, so adjusted it accordingly. People keep wanting to compare openspace to full regions when they should be comparing the value of them to mainland instead since financially that is their alternative.

This abuse thing don't wash well with us ether M .

On one hand your saying the servers are being abused and on the other hand in your blog you say that SL is running better than ever ... less crashing ...more stable




So what are you saying here ..... this supposed abuse is causing strain on the system .... BUT the system is getting better now and we are far more stable than we ever was ?


Is it just me ... or is is that you saying Nothing is wrong with the system ?


you allso talk about Ocean loving sim owners using OS correctley ...and then some guy with a themepark who shares the same CPU .... and you are called in to resolve the matter ?

How many times are you called in to resolve matter ?... whos calling you ?

We took a pole on the other forum ( the one you have been ignoring for the last week ) and it showed that VERY few people have problems with OS ....
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your yet to show any data to support your claims that a problem even exsits.... your telling us .... but who would belive you ?

Your kicking your cash cow to death M .... and you think you can ride it out ?..... You stated in your blog that you have seen that we are well informed residents



YES WE ARE .... and thats why we are telling you in advance that your plan will KILL SL stone dead .

You might think after 6 months of being here that you have this all sussed out ...Belive me you do not .

What your dealing with here are people who know your end and inworld matter's inside out ...We are not spotty faced teenagers just playing a game .....and we are not AOL customers who you can say " Take it or leave it "

You are killing a user base that has spent years building this product ... WE BUILT THIS ...... Time ...lots of time invested .... effort ... creativity ....MONEY .... your intrest is only with the money ..... the people here have invested way more than money .

I doubt anything said here by anyone will shift you on changing this policy ....But what i will say from my point of view is this .... You are not as informed about SL and its residents as you might think .... and you will find out the hard way .

I bet Phil Linden would handle this situation a lot better .... even if it was just to come out of LL Tower and listen to the residents .

Ethically, it is exactly the same thing. They lower prices, double prims, woo you in, take probably millions in setup fees, then redefine the product to something less desirable when they feel they've locked enough people in. What they don't understand is that in the process they have destroyed the illusion that this is our world, that their word about our content or belongings means anything, and that any of this is really worthy of our confidence to invest in.

Argent that is because you is looking for the wrong thing its not MYCOM its MYCOSM lol, goto http://www.mycosm.com

It seems to me the real losers in this are those who own quarter to a whole sim on the mainland - those people who put up with sharing a sim with clubs, malls, rotating signs, ugly builds, griefers etc . They seem to be forgotten by LL.

The new 'homestead" seems a much more attractive proposition than 1/4 mainland sim, and how are LL going to police these new rules? Are they gonna sweep around every day and make sure there are no malls, vehicle parks, clubs etc?

What those script and CPU ratios going to be is the crucial question. Are they gonna be better than mainland ratios? Already the avatar ratio is better than the mainland., and they get the benefit of space and no neighbours.

Because they squealed loud and long is LL giving in and pampering those who abused the open spaces? I think they are getting a pretty good deal.

Our official response to Linden Lab claims and decisions:

http://elfclan.ning.com/profiles/blogs/response-to-linden-lab-open