Open Spaces Announcement & Talk with M and Jack Linden

I saw that many appreciate the new solution. Please expalin me why. I cant understand it.

- At the beginning of this discussion it was "only" a price raise to 125 usd.

- Now it is a (lil bit slower but effectively still the same) price raise to 125 usd plus an addional reduction of allowed users + scripts.

That sounds clearly worse to me than before where there was no user / script reduction. So why do ppl like it better now? Does "homestead" sound so much cosier?

Best Ice

In Second Life you have the option of leaving it, and taking your content with you. In other 3d environments they own everything you upload. That's a hell of a difference.

This is a good change because it allows those who were using them for their intended use, to keep them at the same price.

Those who are upset because they will be making 66% fewer profits, are, of course, still going to be unhappy.

Of course LL can't make everyone happy. There will always be those who think that just because Twinkies are on sale for 39 cents it is a good idea to eat nothing but Twinkies.

Personally I think LL has done a very good job on the backpedaling this time. They are improving.

Jazz: Your questions on conversion are covered in the knowledgebase article. So yes, we will convert up from Openspaces to full regions for free, at least until January 09. If you have less than 4 Openspaces, then you can pay USD$250 for each missing one to convert up. So if you only had one Openspace, you would have to pay USD$750 (3 x USD$250) to convert.

First a question. If I am to Convert 3 of my OS and purchase one additional for the $250, do I get waived the firsts months tier on the new full sim? I would hope so because I need that time to be able to build it back up to make it usable and cover my costs.

This is exactly what I thought would happen with the exception that I thought you would offer the 1875 prims on the new OpenSpace, not only 750!! It seems you listened to everyone, took there thoughts and thought about how you could even make more money here. I have been and still am in agreement the OS sims (now Homestead) show be priced to reflect their value. But how do you justify a higher setup fee for these? and also a 66% increase is just too much. I can understand the raise to $95, but lets leave it there.

As I was saying this is exactly what I thought would happen a high and a low pricing model, with the vas majority falling in the middle and getting screwed either way. Also you decide to limit the Homesteads even more now and still jump the prices. I know you dont want a complex pricing structure but you still are failing to satisfy the masses. The ones like me that want 3750 prims, don't need a lot of scripts, only need 10 avatars(maybe the occasional party need a few more) but the majority of the time less than 5. Want a house or two and mostly all water. I think that is the vast majority here, and we don't abuse anything but we get screwed. Screwed because we bought into your bait and switch scheme. I really am trying to understand where you are coming from but am walking away with a very bad taste in my mouth.

You are having to many Knee jerk reactions here, here is what you need to do:

1. Forget this whole crazy idea and knee jerk reactions and keep everything the way it was before last Monday.
2. Admit LL screwed up, not the residents. First go after the so called "abusers" and crack down on them, dont punish the rest of us.
3. Provide us these so called "metrics and performance" studies that were done, stop leaving us in the dark.
4. Form some LL/Resident focus groups to really understand what people want and the direction this should go. You cant accurately do that in one week like you just tried, this needs a month or two.
5. Develop a sensible plan that can better make all people happy, and I understand this plan would possibly involve price hikes in certain areas, but not 67% hikes!!
6. Sit back and watch SL flourish and grow and your coffers grow deeper. We the residents are what makes SL the best out there, stop bending us over and giving it to us.
7. Most important...*****FIX THE DAMN TEXTURE CACHE ISSUE!!!!!******* I don't think there is a single texture that gets cached for me anymore, talk about the culprit for your increase asset server and network load, I mean come on.

I love sl and don't even want to hear the stupid openlife talk from people, but you really are making a lot of us want to leave and take our talents elsewhere.

Thank you for your time, and besides this fiasco, keep up the great work.

Firelight, I paid 250 to buy the one OSS if I pay another 750 then I HAVE paid them 1000.

I cant buy 3 more OSS. Cant aford it

Talking of Anshe, she's been remarkably quiet here. Is she even still around?

@Prize and others: We expect to have details of the limitations for scripts before January and will make those public as soon as we can. We're going to be collecting detailed script and memory data for LSL and Mono ahead of that decision so that we fully understand where those limits should be.

We won't be suddenly enforcing scripting limits with no warning, we will give residents plenty of time to adjust their script usage to the right levels, and we'll provide tools to help measure so that there is no confusion.

As for a definition of 'rental' as it relates to the Openspace product, I expect in the large majority of cases it will be very clear whether a region is being used for scenery, for just water and forest, as opposed to it being used to live on. Where there are edge cases, we will need to look more closely.

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@Prize and others: We expect to have details of the limitations for scripts before January and will make those public as soon as we can. We're going to be collecting detailed script and memory data for LSL and Mono ahead of that decision so that we fully understand where those limits should be.

We won't be suddenly enforcing scripting limits with no warning, we will give residents plenty of time to adjust their script usage to the right levels, and we'll provide tools to help measure so that there is no confusion.

As for a definition of 'rental' as it relates to the Openspace product, I expect in the large majority of cases it will be very clear whether a region is being used for scenery, for just water and forest, as opposed to it being used to live on. Where there are edge cases, we will need to look more closely.

Friend, I can't even FIND the mycom website. Google returns a bunch of results that have nothing obvious to do with 3d environments.
Nurien says the same thing, but what they mean by "user content" is not what anyone in SL would recognise as such.

With more prims and more resources Cora... not with limits we do not have now. You can understand when a service charge you more if they give you more. But when somebody charge you more to give you less... they think you are stupid and they are stealing from you.

Don't you think?

This is totally unacceptable, and I do not accept your propostion that Open Spaces are being abused. If you give someone access to 3750 prims and 65000 metres of land for $US75 that is exactly what they are going to use.

@Prize and others: We expect to have details of the limitations for scripts before January and will make those public as soon as we can. We're going to be collecting detailed script and memory data for LSL and Mono ahead of that decision so that we fully understand where those limits should be.

We won't be suddenly enforcing scripting limits with no warning, we will give residents plenty of time to adjust their script usage to the right levels, and we'll provide tools to help measure so that there is no confusion.

As for a definition of 'rental' as it relates to the Openspace product, I expect in the large majority of cases it will be very clear whether a region is being used for scenery, for just water and forest, as opposed to it being used to live on. Where there are edge cases, we will need to look more closely.