Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Well, you have an oil barrel in the white house, so no wonder there either. But, that´s another prob

There is no way I would move to avatarhangout.com Those guys sold out to Legendcityonline and I got screwed. I'm not paying a second time to start up an estate just so they can sell it out to someone else and I get screwed again. Thanks but no thanks. What's that saying? fool me once.......

Do you not realise the real World is on the brink of a massive recession,
people are woried for their jobs their Mortgages and tyou decide to up your fees for
open land Sims by some 66%,
I fear this will have an adverse effect or perhaps is that what you are planning in order to releive the load on the servers,
I would have thought the way forward would have been to offer a reduction, also taking
into account the dollar rate against other world currencies,
I do beleive you have made an incorrect move here, but hey its your business Lindens
I think the way forward would have been to regulate the abusers not to hit every single person who uses open sims.
Smak Humphreys

It's legal because you contractually agreed to it. Did you not read your TOS before agreeing to it? Those are the only expectations you should be planning your business around, not some mythical notion that SL is never going to change, or stand for people pounding their older hardware by misusing what was intended for private houses as high traffic places of business.

the measure that we use when people of good faith is common sense and integrity that we're not doing anything wrong. The Linden gave us a service and is now in taking it. What you say implies that not only are acting correctly, what I believe is not the case here

Oh everyone go look at the thread about openlife..........I think a few peeps might jump. SL will price themselves out of the market

You use that phrase in New Zealand? I'm surprised. I would have thought that it's peculiar to the UK

First at all, we are having financial problems all around the globe. It's not a good time to raise prices is time to make it more accessible.
Second, we been suffering from lag problems, loading problems, audio problems and so on you name it. Besides, everytime you do 'updates' expensive items come out of inventories without return.
Third, when we finally noticed, we can have open spaces to be better in a large space with low lag you are raising prices???? That's your response for all the problems????? well, lot of people can decided not to do business here and go to rl to try to deal with global financial problems instead doing business here. We need more affortable prices not less affordable.
Why don t you think in the way to keep having all of us happy in sl at this hard moments??

Hello all readers of sl

with increase of tier is not a good idea!
here are some resons :
lot of shops wil go down
some banks or cash flow wil go down,ppl dont put money into a GAME that cost so mutch
and lot of ppl wil leave sl for good
as newbee you never know on what kind of land you are in (my first time )
the only thing i can think of is to see iff some owner abuse the sim .if that case i agree with mr jack .but there are lots of ppl more then you can think off. and you jack have the numbers .but iff jack contineu with this i stop with my fantsy sim (free for all)and no abus !! and a lot of hard work into it,but at the end we all LOOSE becouse no more fun higer rentals or purchase a land and lot off ppl leave sl .banks are loosin income of less cash flow

so be wisse jack ,and stop this, i vote no to increase of tier

greetings to you all Marc bing (owner of a wonderfull sim)

they want to do something positive for the community remove the 60,000 bogus camper accounts.

My only question here is a help from Linden and a strong support for those who have more than a Openspace and not to lose the investment'd like to turn this into full islands.

LOL you aint serious?? Please tell me you aint!!

Shame on us? They stuff up our full prim sims , decrease the pricing from 1695 to 1000usd for a normal sim , them bring out Open Space sims with 3750prim usage and your telling me they intended them for just water ways?

Umm unless im stupid or blind or know nothing about land in sl .. why would a open space sim be just intended for waterways , sailing etc be offered with 3750 prims???

THEN when our normal sims emptied out we were forced to convert them into 4 open spaces to survive and charge 100usd for them to be converted!

So now we are expected to pay 500usd for 4 open spaces when we were paying 295 before being converted and if you want to convert them back you have to pay 100usd again ... hmmm thats 200 out of pocket x by 100+ sims ..and you have the nerve to post here and tell me SHAME ON ME!!!!!!!!

Only shame here is ... Shame on LL for fooling us all once again!

Sure do, we get lots of UK TV here though, so we pick up slang from all over.

Mr Linden,

The introduction of Open Spaces killed off my sim business, I was given two options, go broke or convert to open spaces. I was forced to do this because of LL policies, and it cost me thousands of dollars, but I finally got my business on track again.

This latest announcement is the final straw, you're now making Open Sims unviable. There is barely enough demand now, let alone asking for a 66% increase off my tennants. The question I ask you, and as a customer giving you $US3,500 a month in tier, hence I demand an answer, is, why should I pay for your mistakes?? The Open Space pricing at $250, $75 tier was wrong, I couldn't believe that LL was that stupid when it was introduced, now I cant believe the contempt you show the people that pay your mortgage. There have been no abuses with Open Spaces, you have created that argument out of thin air to try and pass them blame for LL's mistakes onto the customer.

Do the right thing, cut your losses, and grandfather the tier fee, if you dont I'm leaving SL, not because I want to, but because I will have no other choice.

Opensim is always an option

So then how can an openspace be abused??!!!
I see that is not really possible huh?
Sheeze...

I currently sub own (not rent) 3 lightly used open spaces. I purchased them with the co-operation of a large land owner for personal and recreational use. We have kept to the guidlines as best we could and script load and lag is almost none existant on any of the 3. I have become very attached to the parcels over the past few months and have enjoyed their use very much. However due to these hikes I will most likely be giving up all 3 as I can not afford a $150+ tier hike on top of what I am paying now. I suppose you could consider them my home even though I don't spend the majority of my time there and at any one time there might be 4 people on all 3 open spaces combined. If I am abusing these please by all means let me know and I will do what I can to correct the issue. Don't go punishing everyone because some people are abusing things.

My other issue is that if I abandon this land then the gracious estate owner that purchased them on my behalf is stuck with the tiers or abondoning them also. I also know of a large number of people that live near me that are seriously thinking of giving up their open spaces. This is going to put a huge burden on the estate owner who after talking to is considering two options. 1. combining every 4 open spaces he has back into 1 full sim, or 2 dumping them all together including his full sim regions.

Counting full sims and open spaces he currently owns somehwere in the neighborhood of 24 Sims, and a neighbor of his owns at least a dozen more and feels that she will have no choice but to let her lands go.

I wonder if LL can handle the dramatic drop in revenue when all these large estate owners vanish from the grid. Just as an example lets combine the two land owners above and assume they have a total of 12 full sims and 24 open spaces.

12*$295 = 3540 + (24*75) = $5340 /per month

I am sure this will not be the extent of things to come as more and more sim owners start abondoning their land as they can't compete with mainland prices. By the way I lived on mainland for a while and even ownd 1/3 of a mainland region, the lag is just as bad or worse depending on your neighbors, you have to deal with people right next to you, and the incediously ugly ad farms make if very hard to create something everyone can enjoy. Not to mention the lack of rules and regulations that lead to constant fight with people near you. For these reasons mainland is not at all attractive to me. My RL wife who also plays is so disgusted at the thought of losing our islands that she is ready to delete her accounts and never return.

So Linden Labs... is this what you want. To kill off the islands market to everyone except the rich and force residents from their lands and even out of the world all together. I truly hope not and really hope you all reconsider.

As a last note I can understand cost increases but a 67% jump over night is just plain stupid.

of course they don't. they need lots of residents to sell their stuff to companies.

How is it illegal? Especially when you're contractually bound to hold LL harmless?

Apparently it has 5000 residents, of which I'm one. I visited the place when I first heard of it and I haven't been back since. That was at least 6 months ago and, from what I hear now, it still has a long way to go yet before it's a suitable alternative - unfortunately.

legendcity, openlife, etc. these are all opensim grids. They are ALPHA. You will get screwed there just as often and just as fast as you do here with one exception, they don't work as well as SL does. So don't try and tell people to move over to them or "go check it out". It makes me feel like your trying to suck others in to the scam.

Watch The Ll Map Turn Yellow !!!!!!! Then Add Up How Many Ppl Abandon There Land To Ll And Calculate How Much That Is In Real $ This Is Pure Fraud I Just Hope Someone Out There Is Big Enough Out There To Take You To Court Over This !!!!!!!

Go after the abusers only, or create a speacial "cheap sim" for the needs of the residentail and commercial uses they are being used for. I own a home for mypartner, me and our kids, and a club, I want my own region just not affordable! If there was such an option for land. Do not just look at the uses and say NO, heres another option for u to make money without punishing everyone. But make it affordable!

Why? Electricity prices aren't coming down. Salaries aren't going down (nobody's gonna take a pay cut and not leave the company unless they're unusually loyal). Hardware costs aren't going down, and OS sims are primarily on their oldest hardware, as I understand it. The only commodity that is coming down is oil. Guess what? LL doesn't ship much, if anything, over the road, so that's not going to help.

I don't deny the Linden's right to change the terms. Whether it is just and fair is quite another matter! In their description of OS sims they said clearly they were intended for light use.... and they would not "advise a more serious use" nor would they respond to complaints about performance. This suggests they were fully aware that people would use OS sims in a wide variety of ways. There was no statement of any kind which said that people were FORBIDDEN to do anything at all. Unlike most other forms of land purchase and rental there is no Covenant for OS sims and there are no rules to break. Lindens doubled the prims and now they're bleating because people are actually using them. It's like buying a car with 5 gears and saying that only 3 of them were intended to be used! Lindens happily sold OS islands and took people's money without any strings attached other than a caveat about performance. People bought them on this basis. THAT was what I agreed to!