Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

I bring solution!

http://openlifegrid.com

I was a preacher of madness cost of taxes ... the advent of openspace has enabled many users to enjoy adequate space in relation to expenditure incurred. Now that we have established that these have become appetizing ... thought it was good to increase the cost ... I am amazed that in a real world where he lives most total chaos because of higher prices and where everyone raises his voice to contain costs and lower the cost of money ... Second life in pointing the contrary ... you think well be the first to raise taxes on open space (like that ... let us do ... pay more under the old rule of the market ... ... increases the demand increases supply) that you want ... I hope that this is the coup de grace, and I hope that by January 1 we all Second Life users to stop spending only a linden ... I find it too what you pay now ... is incredible to think of increasing still.
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Ero già un predicatore della follia del costo delle tasse... l'avvento delle openspace ha permesso a molti utenti di poter godere di spazi adeguati rapportati alla spesa sostenuta. Ora che si è appurati che queste sono diventate appetitose... si è pensato bene di aumentarne i costi... mi meraviglio che in un mondo reale dove vive il caos più totale a causa dei prezzi sempre più alti e dove da tutti si alza la voce per contenere i costi e abbassare il costo del denaro... in Second life si punta al contrario... si pensa bene di aumentare da prima le tasse sulle open space (visto che piacciono... facciamole pagare di più... secondo la vecchia regola del mercato... aumenta la richiesta... aumenta l'offerta) che volete che sia... io spero che questo sia il colpo di grazia e mi auguro che dal 1 gennaio tutti noi utenti di Second Life smettiamo di spendere un solo linden... io trovo che sia fin troppo quello che si paga già ora... è allucinante pensare di aumentare ancora.

Hahahaha if you think your going to do better, you'd better think again. Opensim grids are alpha, and the owners can do anything they like, anytime they like. Right LaLa?
I was in Central Grid (an opensim grid) since Feb 2008. It was bought out and totally taken apart without any warning just after I paid my tier. I have 4 sims somewhere in there but can only find one. Their support is about as good as their attitude....talk about losing money on virtual worlds. I'd stay away from them. As for SL, we all know these things happen here, why are you all so surprised?

I read often and hear often about owning a region....as i see it you own shit, you rent in any way and who thinks logic knows what i mean. LL can do with the sims what they want....so what is owning??? and ypu pay huge money for it for what??

and yes i know about http://openlifegrid.com

it is growing and more like those games will come so not a good idea from LL as i see it

Yes! Yes! Yes! Thanks for putting it more professional than me. Ohh, dont' forget. They streamlined that land portal for us too. Made it all quick and easy!

lol, and in time... you will be able to move from grid to grid. Tear down the garden walls!

It was mentioned at office hours how they were being used, it was mentioned on the forums, Linden Lab did nothing whatsoever to address the issue. The idea that this is all the fault of residents is really taking the biscuit. There has been an explosion of Openspaces, how many forum threads or complaints have been seen about their ability? Just who has been having so much trouble with them because if they were as problematic as is being suggested, then surely they wouldn't have sold in such great numbers.

This is the key to the solution. I think LL have made a knee jerk reaction to a handful of abusers. The strength of feeling will increase not decrease and, combined with the current economic crisis, there will be a mass exodus from Second Life - and not by the abusers - but the quiet, low-prim, low-script, low budget residents whose regions will disappear or whose landlords will have to increase charges. This could be a 'Gerald Ratner' moment for Linden Labs and a turning point for their competitors. I cannot believe LL won't re-think this.

But did you have to go out and create -SOS- to flood every welcome area and infohub for what is ultimately the result of resource abuse? Three wrongs don't make a right.

Irish, everybody moved back to the guys that ran central grid, at Avatar Hangout. theres no more estates in legend

avatarhangout.com

Yes,

You and I understand that, and I'm sure both educate as we can. But anyone renting an OS does not have top scripts(unless you give them estate controls). So even with education the tools are not there to even monitor.

((didn't mean to get ya excited. I suppose my question was rhetorical, to point out there is no information readily available.))

I understand http://openlifegrid.com is alpha and what not, but jump ship now and in 6 months a year when the grid opens up, we can all enjoy some freedom, oh and some competition in regions such as PRICING.

YOU CAN NOT OVERUSE A OPENSPACE SIM!

Prim Limit is prim limit, traffic limit is traffic limit. Maybe host 11 OS sims on one server instead of 16!

This is a Linden problem, not a customer problem while "overusing" OS sims!
A technical issue and there should be technical solution and not a rise in costs!

Its just all about money....Lindens want more more more more. This is the beginning of the end. What about the money that is invest in my openspace sim? Do you return it to me?

It's never been about usage. It's all about monies.

We are owners of a 155 estate regions and took the blow of the price decrease of Q2 pricing and bit our lip and moved on gracefully , We are lucky enough to have loyal tentants and they stayed with us through this change. But as the weeks went by YES the sims were emptying out and we were forced to go with the new trend ** Open Space Sims *** like many estate owners did to save there years of hard work in SL.

Why we did this? ........ Cause as private estate owners WE CARE for our tentants and deliver what they ask for and give the best customer service for there money.

We pay approx 16,000usd Monthly to Lindens labs in tier alone , You would think they would give us the same respect as we give our tentants? Have they thought about why people stay in SL? It's cause the private estate owners make it a better place.

Just reading the thread here no one likes mainland and would rather be in a private estate , so I'm guessing this isnt a attack on a single open space owner, there attacking large estates to slow down or even close down so mainland will pick up again.

Look I recently had a fradulent linden purchase inworld ..woke up to find my account closed my lindens i had bought taken out of my account and all they could say was sorry.
I lost 1500usd that day and LL wouldnt help me . Instead protected the guy who got hacked due to his stupidity to giving out his account info. Let the guy who sold me the lindens get my RL money and then told me to fight it with paypal. we all know what paypal thinks of SL?? Its a virtual world , intangable items which they wont cover.

I have lost total faith in LL and now this !!!

How much do you expect us to take LL? we are paying you for a service with RL dollars.
I own a RL buidling company and if we treated our customers like this we wouldnt be in business today.

You say Secondlife is created by the Residence and your 100% right . WE MAKE SL WHAT IS IT!!! ...... We work hard long hours to only get bitten in the butt at the end of it

GET REAL LL ..... Customers are always right.. I hope your reading everyones posts here , you have some serious issues and Ive been in sl 3 years now and ive never seen it this bad?

Our open spaces dont lag .... if anything its the normal sims that lag. maybe you need to fix the issues with lag in SL or non ressing items or non recieved items that we spend daily answering IM's and replacing them to customers before expecting people to pay more for your products!

If an increase about 67% must and will happen, Linden does not manage their cost well a long time and the openspace model allready has gone down the drain.

I resident at a community of 8 openspace sims and all of them will be closed.
So not more money will flow - a lot money will get lost.

Additional - if living in SL doesnt make sense anymore - whats the premium account good for? - will get canceled, also my little business here - canceled.

Would you buy a car, thats price will raise by 67% in minutes? Never!

Only thing i mention: Some crazy shareholders dictate the Linden management to do so. To get their money out of it before closing down the whole thing.

the subscribers that "bought" OS's from Estate owners. Under normal circumstances the typical user would have no clue that these sims were only intended for minimal use so here they are with a shiny new OS to build a business or home upon and they do so, taking full advantage of all that came with the package. They bought, or leased these sims in good faith with a hefty upfront fee involved. They were given the option to resell, or transfer this leased property. Umm .. talk about real life and second life mirroring each other. These sims are worth diddly now.

In many cases, these are people that moved from mainland to get away from the gaming farms and unpleasent scenery placed there by others who were abusing the mainland and their neighbors with that stuff. By the way .. why weren't those people policed? There are sim killers all over the mainland still.

So here we are. Many many paying customers are going to be ousted. Even if the upgrade from OS to full sim is done for free, the person that invested in the OS in the first place is STILL going to be standing there holding the bag with nothing to show for their investment or the time put into developing their home/business. To do that to subscribers is really beyond unethical on so many levels.

I know this is not a constructive comment but it is a TRUE one.

Nobody's forcing you to buy land, and it's not like you weren't warned that this kind of thing might happen in the Terms of Use. Since you use SL, you agreed to be a party to that contract. Your injury is self-inflicted.

I read that as that they're looking to attracting and retaining /quality/ customers.

Not that it will do any good but it might make a statement, here is a great freebie on SLX for the growing OS protest:

http://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=987598

Enjoy

And that makes it ok?

I'll bet you thought that gass price gouging was a good thing too huh.

I am surprised that the Lindens would think an openspace would ONLY be used for small parks and ocean beaches..... Do they truly think that people have money to give up each and every month for tier costs (not withstanding the initial cost) only to have a piece of openspace that is not going to bring them anything in return... the bulk of most people can't be expected to pay money each month without the opportunity to get into commercial or residential development to recoup their investments.

If they want only parks and beaches then they should offer those up for free development, or at least significantly diminished costs and if there is excessive traffic then those openspace owners should be told that their creations are moving beyond the idea of openspace and that they should invest in a regular sim to continue their enterprise.

SL is about building and creating and that takes prims and traffic re-enforces that the artist/owner is doing something good that is appreciated by other SL guests. SL is not about a bunch of boring openspace sims that offer nothing to the populous except a pretty tree and a park bench.

SL users want to visit museums, malls, concert halls, educational institutions, and other such things that have included in their landscapes the self same trees and park benches that are proposed for the intended use of openspaces. Openspaces for the most part are boring and are just a waste of RL monies for anyone who does not make $250,000 a year and can afford to throw away the cash.

People want a chance to be a part of SL, but with this recent proposal, they are deciding that SL is not anything that they want to be a part of anymore, because it is not fun, but rather only a collective of boring openspaces that serve no one but the owners of openspaces that can afford to build a park that does nothing and a beach with endless waves and no one willing to watch them.

I think the new proposal is the most detrimental thing I have seen happen to SL. I have been gearing up to be more land oriented, but at this point, I think that decision will be delayed indefinitely for now.

Hmm well I live in an openspace sim and it works just fine without lag

My friend and I were about to purchase an opensim and have half each, for nothing in particular, just a couple of houses and our own creative landscaping.

We will not be purchasing one now as we will not be paying your ludourious maintance fees. Where I live US dollars cost almost double..............so your loss toss pots, I can not see how this is going to be good for your economy.

Can't one of you smart people in these forums creat us a better world and go in competition with SL?

And people sadly, if you keep paying them they will keep ripping you off, if you don't buy the sims and they are not getting sales they will be forced to do something about it.

You should have read the terms of service more carefully before agreeing to it. Why blame Linden Labs for exercising their end of the contract? If the terms were not agreeable to you, you should not have agreed to them by using Second Life.