Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Now I understand that OpenSim's were meant for light use but I thought that was reflected through the prim count and lower performance for physics and scripts.
Now we're being told that even when we are in the limits we're abusing it?
Then why have such high limits? How does increasing the cost but not changing the system help with the problem? Does it drive away existing OS Owners leaving only a few left reducing the overall latency problems?

If they actually do limit abuse of openspaces, then they'll appeal to those who wouldn't buy them before for fear of sharing server space with abusers. So, openspaces have increased in value. Probably not by $50/mo, though, and not at all if they aren't effective at curbing abuse.

There is precedent for higher per-prim fees. A quarter mainland sim is at the $75 tier level where a full sim is $195. About 50% premium for the lower tier level.

That's because this is really not about abuse. It's about forcing people onto mainland to buy their new plots such as nautilus. Personally I was not impressed by nautilus. Baycity was sorta nice until the land barrons took over and extorted residents from all the hype... pity.

Some do love mainland and support it.. I support it too.. but not at the expense that in order to fulfill one dream, you kill another. That's like taking candy out of the child's mouth when you gave it to them in the first place.

Funny how they pushed everyone here to voice there opinion to keep it off the main blog to save face with the potential new members. For over 2 years i have been watching this company F*&^ people - maybe its time to F*&^ back and just leave this S^%$ service.

If that's the case then we can expect the tier for full sims to go up in price as well

My first is in cat but not in giraffe.

It was like you needed to get a clue. My full opinions are expressed here if anyone cares to read, there is also a page of Jacks last office hours log here too.

http://ewanmureaux.wordpress.com/

So I need a reason to believe anything that Jack says ever, for months he's been saying no new mainland then released some through the back door. Now its moving the goalposts on the open spaces they used to engineer the mainland price in the first place.

I think it only fair (ha) that you offer people the chance to rejoin OS' to make full sims again for free, gratis, zilch, no charge.

Maybe try and salvage something of a reputation.

Wow!! Almost 30 pages and still no "discussion" from Jack (^§§) Linden.
Maybe he resigned from LL (took his 30 days of sick leave or whatever) cuz he saw these 30 pages on the horizon heading his way.

Let me see if I understand this...

You sell a sim that is only 3750 prims, as opposed to 15,000 prims for a full sim. Then get mad when people use 3750 prims? That ALMOST makes sense... Except one thing...

It DOESNT! Duh. I think 3750 Prims IS light use, compared to a normal sim.

Does Linden Labs REALLY expect people to pay $125 a month just to be able to sail their rowboats on open water? lol

So now they want people to pay MORE and use LESS. Welcome to the United States Of America! Gotta love how businesses think in this county I love in.

Rediculas.

You doubled the prim allowance, then got surprised that the sims had double the load? Seriously? You didn't expect the prims to get used?

You allowed the sims to not be connected to anything, then got surprised that people weren't using them to connect full sims together? Really?

People aren't supposed to build on them, but LL is building things like the Mos Ainsley sim in openspace regions? WTF?

Why not just limit the openspaces server side so that excessive load in one OS sim doesn't affect any others? Or go back to requiring the sims to be purchased as blocks of 4 and keep all 4 on the same CPU as if they were a full sim? That solves the problem immediately without punishing people that weren't causing the problem.

This drastic price increase means that the only way to support an openspace sim is to build on part of it and rent it out, regardless of how open you intended it to be. Changing the price does absolutely NOTHING to limit the way sims will be used. It actually means that a lot fewer of them will be used for actually providing the open spaces that really create a community feel for so many of your customers.

This is really a new low for LL.

Perhaps I should of said "abusing"

I wish Linden Labs didn't lie to us all the time, it's frustrating.

In all due fairness to Jack, he did say he would read and respond tomorrow.

I can understand some of the reasons. Still this is the wrong way to deal with it!

But there must be an easier way to deal with the overuse of low prims. Set limits to people and scripts...

I guess its no use to complain and that we have to face the facts... This is such a stupid move Lindens!

Hmmm this could very well be an anti-trust issue. People bought these sims, and paid a handsome up front fee for them with the expectation of receiving the product that they purchased.

Hmmmmm

$50 is nothing. $50/month is nothing. $50 an hour? Well, double that and that's a good salary.

This makes some sense. It means that any abuse affects your landlord's other customers, so he's less likely to encourage normal/heavy usage of light-usage sims.

i'm astounded at this!!!

I've just bought my first OS sim as a favour to a friend who wanted space to experiment and build with possibly a small store. She understood the limitation and was willing to work within them. And then this comes along. I doubt my new tenant will be able to afford the price hike and so this OS sim is going to be abandoned, losing me the set up fee and LL the continued rent.

It's also made me reevaluate my investment in my full price sim. After the price crash, raising 295 USD from rentals became increasing difficult and still is. I feel so betrayed by the LL policies. Yeah Yeah it has to be run as a business and the bandwidth fees alone must drive them to distraction but please stop taking it out on us.

I am seriously looking around for viable alternatives. OpenSim isnt quite there yet but its catching up fast and on my own dedicated server, its going to be a hell of a lot cheaper that what i'm currently paying.

Brace yourself Lindens, the avalanche of sims being abandoned and users leaving is going to destroy your business. Best mothball those IPO plans *Winks*

This is simply street robbery. No, i't worse. It is a street robber setting up signs "Safe Neighborhood" and *then* robbing the people.

LL, *you* doubled the available prims on OS regions. LL, *you* changed the buying policy to buying single once instead of packs of 4. LL, *you* changed the placing policy to stand alone regions not conntected to any full prim region. LL, *you* lowered the price to a level where both buying and running is affordable for thousands of people who were not able to do it before. LL, *you* made OS regions a very attractive product.

You complain that people use OS regions for more than open water and a handful of trees? Why do you give them 3750 prims then? With the doubling of prims you made it clear that OS regions can handle that number. Many OS regions are filled with double the content you expected? Dooh. *You* allowed to put that much content on them with doubling the prim limit! It is like a car maker putting a 500 horsepower engine in a tiny car and later saying "well we didn't expect people would really use it".

When *you* decided, that OS regions can be stand alone, what did you expect? That people create one-region sailing waters in the middle of nowhere? No, people built there homes there, enjoying the privacy of a stand alone region.

This is not about performance. This is about stealing the money of your customers. The big money you already made in selling thousands and thousands of OS regions doesn't seem to be enough for such a greedy company, now you want the desert in the form of raising the running costs by 67%, too. That now a big part of those thousands and thousands OS regions that were bought after *you* sugar coated them will be abandoned should be easy to foresee. Well, maybe not for LL. LL has proven again and again their inability to see farther than their own nose - and that is already kinda optimistic thinking.

You destroy the home and living of thousands of your most loyal residents, and I don't mean the estate owners but the "normal" residents who decided to make a nice home in SL, taking what *you* offered and counting on *you* being fair to them.

You say OS regions are used for things they are not meant for (after *you* yourself made that possible in the first), and instead of making sure they are not overused, you simply go for more money. This will not that much impact those who run a club or event venue on an OS region, making money from it - it will have the biggest impact on those who actually use them as lightly as you want them to be used, by having their family home there, living there with 2 or 4 avatars! That proves it is not at all about performance, it is about more money for *you* only.

I'm running a very small business with my partner, but you can expect that not much from the roughly $ 1,500 we send to you each and every month will be left after this ridiculous, stupid, greedy, unfair, unjustified, dishonest, unethical and at least almost criminal decision.

Who is the 8th grader doing these decisions at LL? Or wait, I have to apologize. This was really offensive to 8th graders...

Well, for me it's an increase of $75 times 4. That's $300 a month, and I don't really rent my islands anymore. I was letting some friends use some of the open spaces for the cost of my tier, but they can't afford more than $50 a month.

And I can't afford an extra $300/month just for nothing.

Firelight

I believe Linden Lab should respond Ann's questions as well, that is why i did mention those were very good points of hers. But Linden Lab will not do it.

And to support your last statement, obviously yes they now only care corporations opinions. Just let's have a look over the lastest blog announcements :
- Virtual Worlds London (Oct. 19)

-Immersive Workspace (Oct. 21)


And.... (suspense) ... what a coincidence... before this pricing change policy for OS, they meanwhile announced (rather adverstised than announced btw):

-New City Area Discovered (Oct. 20)


To sum up things, we welcome corporations, and errmm... as for our former individual customers we (highly) suggest you move into a pre-designed area built by us Linden Lab and leave the rest of the grid for the sake of more "important" matters.

Not to be forgotten is the "SL in 10 languages" dated Oct. 13. O God, Linden Lab suddenly discovered they have an international customer base.... since -say- mid 2006. Or is it for the purpose of having a local client adapted to foreign companies that could use the Secobnd Life Grid platform for communications, meetings, etc...?

There is just one little series of problems with this strategic move in my view, among which:

1) Corporations are not early technology adopters most of the time

2) Confidentiality cannot be enforced over a network (be it even trough a so-called secure extranet) as it is on a private company's network. And for part of it (financial info mainly), information management is overseen and scrutinized by the Sarbanes-Oxley act. Can we reasonably imagine professional virtual meetings in such a context?

3) What is the benefit of innovative technologies in such a case where the average employee has to learn how to login, manage its avatar moves, manage a camera focus, look for the meeting location and TP to it, and finally find a virtual chair to sit on, when it is so simple to place a call onto a dedicated phone dispatcher, enter a conference id and well.. just get in?

The fact is that Linden Lab is taking the innovation process upside-down. Innovation is useful when it brings a solution to a problem. Here, Linden Lab tends to sell a solution where there is no real problem today for companies. This seldom works nor is long-lived.

Anyway.. we -average customers- will all be happy when we have our parcel on "Nautilus"

I am confused. LL was quick enough to take away gambling, because it was illegal. Does that mean Bait and Switch is legal, or LL just doesnt care anymore. If they are not concerned about breaking laws. Lets bring back gambling!!!

Well, at 155AM this morning and my SL partner IM'ed me. Tanika Goodspeed just recieved a Linden Labs hushing (ban) for freedom of speach!

We will be leaving a sizeable selloff of Mainland and vacating any LL properties.

Wish everybody the best, but do not trust LL so, do not hold your breath. This is Tanikas feeling on the matter. A soft spoken business women she is as her ropes end. This saddens my heart but a RL meeting is in our future.

I urge the rest of you to do what you can to save yourselves but this really is the end of "Your World Your Imagination".

Can anyone spell:

C-L-A-S-S
A-C-T-I-O-N ???

ZOMG the SL sky is falling post template #42:


I can’t believe LL actually banned/changed/ended (circle one) ____________. This will destroy SL, don’t they get that? ___________ has been propping up this house of cards economy all along. People will leave in droves because of ____________ and then there won’t be an SL for anybody. I predict LL will be out of business within 2 months because of ____________. So much for Philip and his promise of Your World, Your Imagination. Where is the free market now, Phil? LL NEEDS TO LISTEN TO ITS CUSTOMERS FOR A CHANGE AND REINSTATE _______________.

?? I hope that is sarcasm. The vast majority of people don't make $50 an hour let alone your "good salary". Must be sarcasm. Either that or you are an oligarchist.

Why enforce this to all? not all should suffer paying the increase. of course Linden Lab knows what sims are used to abuse the privilege for those open space sims. cmon. not all can afford such a high increase. not all too use openspaces for commercial purposes.