Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

Yes maybe but then LL changed all of that and basically spoon fed us OP sims on a silver platter with all of the price and restiction changes, etc and so on.. plus encouragement by the Concierge team. So you see, there really is not a problem that needs to be fixed. They came in and gave us a lovely dream, only to invade it right before Halloween with their Freddy Cougar lookalike avatar.

Very sad I must say. With the economy these days..we now have to learn about this tremendous increase of OS, The bottom line here Linden Labs makes most of their sales with Estate owners who resell lands back to the public who cannot afford buying from them directly, so the ones who suffer the most is business like us who has to turn around and notify our residents about the increase. I must say, to you lindens, residents are leaving second life today because of their RL issues with the economy. To put this pressure against us and our residents who really are your residents of this new increase will only put you in the same stage the same way CEO's of major corporate firms are being blame for the cause of this recession. Please don't expect the government to bail you out should business drops. I can see businesses like us who has been around since 2005, have to start packing it up. it was a good run for us..but I think our days has come where we would have to start looking else where to making a living.

Every day for a few month, i have noticed this modification of the use of the openspaces and i was also chocked. I also felt, the market changed by those people with no rules who make believe buyers who have no idea of what they really buy. So this change is welcome and I deeply understand it.
The only problem is the choice you left to us who own openspaces for long before you changed the rules. We paid it full price 1675$ or more when it is a grand father tiers, we pay VAT on tiers, and now this tiers is raising. And if i want to get rid of those, i have to pay 100 $us per openspace.
Could you consider that people who were using openspace sims as openspace sims before you raised the prims quotas are out of those new rules ? Could you propose a kind of partial rebuy for those who have openspace for their own private use and wont be able to follow in paying tiers plus taxes.
There mus tbe a way to separate the good from the bad use, and have a reward on this , no ?

Best regards
Clara

That's exactly right and what I have also been saying all along. Furthermore, this so called abuse can also occur on the mainland, full prim islands too.

Well, seriously, $50 a month is what? $1.666 a day?

/me doesn't really care about politics.

Hi, well I have been in SL for over a year now and I have not been the most active poster. I use an aging computer and also put up with the usual technical difficulties (maybe some should be fixed by now, and maybe some cannot be). I do not get all the bells and whistles with Windlight and I am no shopkeeper, but over the months I have invested a great deal of money. I love how SL gives people a chance to meet and build and to experience so many places and things. Now, hopefully this will not undo too many of the places that were open spaces...

The openspace rush was just a few months ago, and it cost a lot to buy one. Of course, I like to live in a place with pretty views but I do not run a club or mall. I don't put bling and glow everywhere and there are rarely more than a couple avies on the island. Due to unforeseen circumstances, I have been renting the sim alone but I thought to continue for a while. This is where I live and I chose a setting I love. There is a limit to how much I can pay, however.

I agree with those who have said to sort out very heavy usage first. Also, it is very cold to raise prices only a few months after open spaces became available. It looks like a trap: here, have your own island with enough prims to make something nice. A few months later, if you want to keep it, pay more. By the way, the number of prims were not limited but now Linden says it's all the buyers' fault for using a lot of what they bought.

If Linden is going to operate like a cable TV company with short-term introductory offers, then please put it in writing first. Now you have both the earlier land owners and the new open space owners upset.

SL always takes a little leap of faith with the regular supply of new release bugs and occasionally big slowdowns. Even so, how often can you expect people to buy different land and start creating a home all over again?

What would you say, Jack Linden, if your hosting providers doubled their charges on the grounds that you were using more than half your agreed bandwidth?

You'd find a new provider right? And take them to court?

You can't seriously say you never expected people to live on these sims and use the entire prim allowance; we have yearned for spacious living and have always maxed out on prims since the dawn of time.

Soon other virtual worlds will come to maturity and they will have learned from the mistakes Linden Labs stubbornly refuses to acknowledge.

I'm still inworld occasionally, although I never spend money anymore. I wonder how LL will cope with a world full of residents who see no point in investing any real, hard-earned cash in this virtual scam.

Good luck.

You said per HOUR not month.

Not answering this troll quoted and discussing the thread subject would be good

Is she the same person who was spamming the forum with the wall of text consisting of nothing more then fire jack linden? If so then good riddance, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

CLASS
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Unless you own lots of OS sims. Money has to come from somewhere.
I wouldn't care if it were 1 cent a day, the reasons given are either untruthful or moronic.

Bad Kharma? LOL .. you're a bit of a hypocrite there with some of the nasty sarcastic comments you have made.

LOL he going to be runing out the door tomorrow. BBC, CNN, OMG talk about causing a riot and running. But this is par for the course. Post the news at the end of the day and more than not on a Friday. Say nothing, do nothing and eventually it will go by the wayside.

Bet we get a pat pat so sorry but that is he way it is. A few kiss asses will be answered and the rest banned or ignored.

Sad how they can ban people so fast but never find the time to answer questions or requests for help from paying sim owners.

Now I suspect that I am going to be told that I have to pay more for my sims as they are getting laggy. Yes my fault for useing 90% of my prim allowance and having 10-20 people on the two sims.

But the part that amazes me is though is, they are going to talk to those abuseing the system. However they are still going to charge everyone else and oooo not improve the service. So get rid of the trouble makers and make everyone else pay for them even though they are gone.

huMAN natURE

Greed and ignorance so lets jump to it bend over and offer to be raped.

Hey!
Everyone!

1. LL raised a price for our OSS by 67%

2. they offered a prim allotment and we complied and used it.

3. the world in general is in recession

4. ppl have been leaving SL in droves

5. assumably now OSS owners will be leaving in droves

6. it is no longer "your world your imagination"

7. the dream has finally died, Tanika and I are leaving post haste!

Well Linden labs I hope you know how unjust this is. How can you expect people to stay in SL when we can't make any money on our investments? Are you TRYING to destroy Sl economy? it's bad enough that we have invested REAL MONEY here but now after the fact you announce that the rules have changed and we have to cough up more? Did you really think people would pay 75.00 per month tier for land that brought in no income? Of course we rented or put stores on that land, how else can we justify the cost? You have to allow people here to make a profit or why should we stay and pay to live here? The prices are already outrageous; I hope you rethink this and revisit all the ramifications for everyone not just your problems. There has to be a better way to solve the problem. I was about to add 2 OS sims but now? No way! There's no way to make the tier!

The solution is to *lower* the tier on main islands, *not* to raise the tier on openspace sims.

Once again, LL is going to screw up the grid... Thank you LL !

Snowflake, you are entitled to your opinion and you have more than proven that by responding to nearly every post that disagrees with you. Please do allow others their opinions, as well. .. and without rolling your eyes. Thanks.

LOL!!! So true!!

Apparently some people were using 6000 prims or more.

But if that's the problem, they're punishing the wrong people.

$50 per month is a lot more than an awful lot of people want to pay for entertainment. Especially when the economy is calfing its guts(to put it in my hubby's terms). I can read 10 books a month for a lot less than $50 and gain a lot more knowledge and just as much entertainment and go skiing on what's left. See, library charges are pretty reasonable for what you can find in them, plus you stand the chance of actually learning proper English.

Jack Linden, if this extortionate tier increase is allowed to stand I want my setup fee refunded!

I bought my Open Space sim less than four months ago because it was more practical, economical and *private* than renting a large parcel on an estate or paying a fortune to buy a large waterfront parcel on the (frankly) hideous mainland.

A 66% tier increase so soon after LL was proudly trumpeting the new pricing and
availability of these sims is completely insulting and a blatant money grab. Very few OS owners will be able to afford this outrageous tier increase and will have no choice but to abandon their sims within weeks or months of paying the $250 USD setup fee.
This is an appalling way for a company to treat its customers!

For the record, I don't allow public access on my sim, it is not listed and I'm the sole resident. I'm also well aware of what "light use" constitutes and I'm certain that my sim meets the criteria.

If misuse of these sims was a genuine concern I'm sure LL would be capable of identifying the residents/sims causing problems. If LL are unable to identify those sim owners why has it become my problem or the problem of the majority of OS owners who understand the limitations of their sims?

Call me cynical (and angry) but I can't help thinking the real catalyst for this decision was LL rolling out new mainland ~ I've had the pleasure of reading about the excitmentastic new Nautilus development *each time* I've logged in lately!

To see what Linden Lab means if they say "light use only" for openspaces please visit their openspace Mos Ainsley http://slurl.com/secondlife/Mos%20Ainsley/131/131/48
with more than 3000 objects and 860 scripts

Once upon a time Second Life was a place of new innovation, technology, where dreams could come true, and where communities of like-minded people could create and experience new ideas together. This “world” has changed greatly since I joined in the winter of 2005. We’ve seen a sort of age of innocence and discovery in this world, and a realization of dreams, become changed to one of impending stagnation and potential lose of those dreams.

In the fall of 2006 we experienced something similar with the coming of the (once) new class 5 sims. Costs for these sims were seen as being huge compared to what a new class 4 was, as well as the raise in tier fees. Yet with the changes in pricing we took that cost knowing the technology was more powerful and more advanced. Sure the change was very slight bit it was at least noticeable in the eyes of those of us here. Also, previous land owners were granted a “grandfathered” status upon their sims. It made the change more bearable for many, and those here continued to live out their dreams and began creating new and exciting things in this world.

Earlier this year you lowered the cost of regular sims as well as made Open Space sims a more lucrative and promising development. Many people had homes and communities that could be built upon and advanced further, yet the cost of a regular sim and tier was too great. With the coming of the Open Spaces these communities and people were able to expand upon their dreams and further push the creativity here in Second Life.

Along with this, many people whom could never think about owning their own sim to build their dreams, now had the opportunity to do so via an Open Space sim. They now had the opportunity to build and create a world they had envisioned. They could build or buy a home of their dreams and place it on their land. And with the land they could have almost complete control over it, from terraforming to simply setting the sim lighting of their world. Yes, this was their “world” they could build, from their dreams.

This change in pricing will not affect the established businesses and “land barons” here in Second Life nearly as much as the person here just to relax in their own created island world. The person who can’t log into Second Life every day, and, when they can, just want to tinker on their island and give some substance to their dreams, may have their dreams ripped away from them with this change. They may not be able to afford such a drastic pricing increase, and why should they be penalized for the actions of others?

Add to that the communities of Second Life that used Open Space sims to expand and grow. Many may not be able to afford this pricing increase as well, and with that how many of these communities may collapse and fall? The hopes, dreams, and ideas created in these communities may be lost, not to mention the people from these communities may simply give up and no longer log into Second Life.

This world is one where people from around the world can come together and do extraordinary things. It is a place where the impossible can become possible. People have built and placed their dreams into the Second Life world. Please think not of the dreams themselves, but the people they originate from, before putting this new policy in place.

Thank you for reading,

-- Malakh Giles

Ok I am confused... How do you use 6000 prims on a 3750 prim sim?