Openspace Announcement Discussion with Jack Linden

There also comes a time when enough is simply enough.. and a group of interested parties may wish to consult legal advise on this antitrust behavior.. and for the record that is MY opinion so live with it.

Well, not too much to say. The game is over, and theres no way LL can get us back in business. Problem is that this will cause HUGE problems to THEIR business as i can see lots of people just dropping everything. We can live without SL, can they ? I doubt it. If LL was on the stock market i would expect a drop of about 90% of their usual share value. Sorry guys, you did a really bad move this time, and its going to cost you a whole bunch of money and residents.

I understand its a recession moment, i know the world is in trouble, but this to me is just not looking 1 inch after your nose. Oh well... thank god its not MY company. Good Luck, i will read on the newspaper that LL is having financial issues i guess.

Time to move on. Get out of the house. there are far cheaper and more fun things to do besides sit in this chair.

My World My Reality should now replace the lie of your world your imagination!

What does it mean for estate owners that converted "grandfathered" sims to open space sims? Basically you are saying that open space sims are priced at $125. So grandfathered open sims with a current price of $50 are going up to $125? Isn't it just a dirty trick to raise price for grandfathered sims? I asume that estate ownes can revert it back to their initial full prim sims.

Any chance this policy is going to change or be redifined in the next month or so? (similar to what happened with ad farms)

Or should I start reconverting openspaces back to full sims?

Any chance I can get this done for free? as I have converted 4 full sims in the past two months

You know what the real problem is? Tomorrow, sim owners all over the grid are gonna have to explain to their land owners or renters why they are either

a) gonna have to pay more...

b) Find a new place to live, cause their sim is gonna go "poof" soon, and they are not going to get any refund on their land investment, if they paid an up front cost.

Funny part is I bet its the Estate Owner that has to take the grief from Residents, not LL.

That's not the real problem. It's called a game of chess and Linden Lab seems to enjoy this game at the expense of SL users.

That's what I was wondering. Everytime I try using more prim than is allowed I get a message telling me I can't.

I'd say we all put in tickets to cancel all our Lands, see how fast they'll change thier minds

Lower the tier on "normal" islands and I'll buy one. Since I own 2 openspace sims (through Fantasyland), I think it would be reasonable also to at least let me trade those in towards half the cost of an island. Fantasyland Estates alone has 748 openspace sims they've been selling to people for whatever use they choose

LL KNEW this. There's no way they couldn't have. Make it right LL or you WILL end up with rooms full of empty servers and some noobs standing around chatting on help island. You are KILLING SL with this move. Yes, I have a business on an opensim but it's only to HELP pay the tier. I'm not making money here. Most shops aren't. I'm just trying to offset the costs.

I can't begin to imagine the amount of time I've spent building things to sell to help with the tier. The economy being what it is people can't or won't pay $300.00 a month land tax on pretend land for long. That's 40% of my RL house payment.

DO THE RIGHT THING

temp on rez, the prims only last around a minute, so you use a script to continually replace them, and they do not count against the prim limit.
BUT they do cause huge lag.

You know it, those Linden Lab coward wouldnt dare stand up to a 6yr old girl. M Linden and the rest of them have burned us for the last time. I am going skiing in Banff and Jasper with winter, all winter. No more LL for me as soon as i can get out and forget thier lies, deceptions, anti trust, bait and switch, favouritism, selectionism and any other form of unfair action that constitutes a resident being adversely brow beaten by paid off Lindens to look the other way in this venomous world ever again!

When I joined SL early last year, I first decided to live in mainland. After about 1 month I gave up 'cause it was impossible to live there. Around the corner, there was a casino with some dozens of camping chairs making it impossible for my friends to visit me. And of course, there was lag, lag, lag. And griefers. And ad frams...

After this I moved to a private region. It was a nice place, but lag was always a problem.

When I observed that the textures in my shop needed about 10 minutes to fully rezz, I decided to rent a OS SIM. This was like heaven - and still is! I've built a cute home, a little shop and I planted some trees.

As you see, I didn't get my SIM 'cause I wanted to "steal permformance" from others, but by the only reason to live my second life without those limitation I was forced to deal with so far.

It's bad style by LL to punish residents like me just 'cause we tried to find a place where we can life in a way that's promised by LL but newer fulfilled.

Boosting tier by 60%? You're absolutely crazy!

Jack--

Just when we think Linden Labs is only disorganized and self-absorbed--now we see that you are untrustworthy and suicidal.

How can you sell thousands and thousands of new sims--promote LL growth to the whole world--and then turn around and "jack-up" the prices close to 100%? It is absolutely stunningly insulting to the "SL Community" and whatever good there is about Linden Labs will be buried in an opensim server in 2009.

We have void sims with nothing on them but a few prims. Others are art displays. All are within your specification of 3750 prims. We have been running all of these for more than a year--back from when they were 1750 prims.

So why if Linden Labs is so utterly technically incompetent should you now "jack-up" the prices with 2 months notice? Linden Labs is making $USD 100,000's of profit each week and you should eat your mistakes or provide better alternatives.

--Rightasrain

Then the solution is to make the software prevent that. Pretty easy actually, write in the code thatyou cant rez the same object more then once every 10 seconds...

Make no mistake, this is about profit, not over use.

If it were about overuse, they would simply be making the restrictions part of their announcement, not demanding the increase in Payments.

The discussion on SLExchange-I-mean-XStreetSL about that was kind of coy, as you might expect, but both temp-rezzers and playing shenanigans with the region prim bonus were mentioned.

Okay, let me get this straight. Open Sims are roughly one quarter of the cost of a regular sim, and have one quarter of the available prims. So, basically what has been offered regarding Open Space sims, as opposed to regular sims, is four times the space for the same price, with the same amount of available prims as a regular sim. You have essentially said "For this price, you can either have land that is THIS size, or you can have land that is FOUR TIMES as big, and everything else is equal." And you're surprised people have taken advantage of this?


If you wanted the Open Sims to be lighter in use than a quarter of the prims of a regular sim, this should have been reflected in prim limits when Open Sims were first offered. At this point, you are penalizing people for using their legitimate prim limits to construct popular sims.

I have looked at the map, and one thing Open Sims have provided is a lot of open water for people who like open water for things like boating. Increase the cost of Open Sims, and most of this will go away. Now, you have repeatedly demonstrated that you can pretty much do anything you please, and not lose numbers. However, this will not go on forever.


If it is as you claim, and your concern is to reduce prims on Open Sims, how about reducing prim limits on Open Sims, instead of penalizing people monetarily for your own mistakes? Or, even better, how about taking Open Sims off the market until your servers are up to the task? Without penalizing current owners.

But, this move to increase the price of Open Sims smacks of bait-and-switch tactics. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, for now, and assume that this is merely the result of poor planning and poor decisions. However, either way, it is bad business. You just DON'T say "Sorry, WE screwed up, so YOU will have to pay for it."

I hate to say it, but you seem to be expecting a different kind of logic from Linden Labs than has been observed over the years.

Speaking of which... http://networks.silicon.com/webwatch/0,39024667,39287127,00.htm

It was. Then for no well-explained reason they doubled the prim limits on OpenSpace sims. Some people went "hmmm, that's odd" at the time...

I have never said others may not have their own opinions. I have simply said it is wrong for them to attack me because my opinions differ. I have not attacked one person for disagreeing with the price increase, I have simply agreed with it and been attacked and defended myself.

I will roll my eyes whenever I feel it is necessary, if it is not completely clear to you by now I live by my own standards and not what others dictate that I must do to fit in to the "forum clique" or whatever it is. "Full disclosure" has been demanded of me by those who are not willing to fully disclose themselves, from a person who has never even bothered to talk to me in-world but just wants to prove his bravery on the forums, and I have been called a troll and worse for having a dissenting opinion.

If you feel like you have a problem with my posts then you may feel free to stop quoting me, and then I will stop giving you the answers that you so badly hate to see.

*rolls eyes again*

Jeeeez. That's just unneighborly. Kinda like what LL proposes to do.

Well anyway, I was going to get an OS just to make it pretty and have a quiet place to hang, learn how to build things, and those sorts of activity but the library full of books is sounding like a lot better deal.

And still no Jack Linden. lol
Perhaps SL it'll be called Slithering Larceny.

lol The Utherverse (Red Light Center) is gonna get a ton of customers from this....

To answer a previous response (not by you!) - No, I am not trying to be a troll and resent anybody calling me that!

Yes, $50 is significant in some manner, I spend about 1.5 sims worth a tier here for my own enjoyment and fully expect that to go up next. Mainland tier has been the same for quite some time. I suppose I will pay it too because I don't want to drop all the mainland I have and give somebody my stuff, I have too much work put in. If you infer my English is bad, sorry, it's not my native language, I try...

The whole point (I think) of this latest action by LL is to make corrections for problems that were not anticipated. It closely resembles the ~other~ problem with 16sqm extortion plots and ad farms. No matter what LL does to try and correct the problem, either people welcome the change, despise the change and raise all kinds of tantrums or they just don't care.

Deeply, I suspect the bad apples were the root of this particular problem and LL, today takes action than rather before just sit back and let it flow from one ear to the outside of the other. At least they are doing something about a problem. But it is unfortunate for those that did not do any wrong to also be affected, but, isn't that the way it is with a lot of things?

It makes little sense to persuade LL to rescind any of their actions because in my almost 2 years, I think the only thing they actually did resend was making that "Dazzle" viewer an option, instead of mandatory. I can't think of anything else.

So, yes, enjoy it or leave it. If all I wanted was my own private Idaho, I could just play around on 127.0.0.1:9000 but that would be pretty boring.

A quote from that page.
What challenges does Second Life face?
Linden Lab faces the same challenges as any other business, retaining and attracting quality staff and customers or users,

Great way to retain customers

a perfect example of ll fantasy vs reality