Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Definitions

To make it easier for y'all to follow through on this promise, I've increased the priority of http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205 to critical. I hope y'all don't mind.

Yeah, I wonder about this too. What if you sell guns at your shop? Those are considered violent devices, right? So will selling guns on the mainland now be classified as an Adult activity?

What if I have a museum for GLBT rights on the mainland? Does that fit the broadly offensive clause and mean I need to move?

The definition of sex between the adult/non adult line is pretty straight forward to me and I have no problem with that. Let the porn peddlers go have fun in their walled off regions. It's this "broadly offensive" line that gives me pause over this.

We are not currently filtering profiles, although as I mentioned (and per our Community Standards) any content displayed within your profile (including picks) should confirm to the overall PG standards.

I sell a small selection of avatar accessories. Some of which include collars. I offer them unscripted, but, prepared for a popular script pack so that they can be utilized for BDSM activities. In appearance, they have leash rings, locks, rivets, spikes and such. But, in my eyes, are non-sexual because they could be worn by a furry or neko as regular clothing. Will this grey area I'm in push me to an (Adult) parcel? This is extra important to me because there are times I'm in a child-like avatar and have quite a few kid-AV friends. (>_<

Also, there's this common base-assumption that if you in (Mature) land, you're there for "mature" activity. Will the same apply in these (Adult) regions? (O.o)

I mean, say a dance club is normally welcome to all, is popular, and varied avatars come from all over the grid. But, Friday night is "orgy night". This means the club MUST be in (Adult) land. Will the remaining 6 days make certain avatars AR fodder even though the club activity is intended to be "PG"? (=_=)

And, after this mess is implemented, on PG land... How much leg can a girl show now? Cleavage? Birth-marks? ... Ankles? (T_T)

This is exactly the issue I've been upset about. I can not understand how nudity, especially upper body nudity of a child, can be regarded as obscene. Heck, has LL never been to a beach?

The main problem I have with this kind of thing, is that even though intentions might be good, can something that is even considered minimally offensive still be considered as adult content?? Such as mentioned in other threads, things like different types of jewelery.

When trying to define subjects of this nature, it can too easily become a witch hunt, and eventually we all get burned by the fires of justice.

You have to keep in mind the USA is a country that held a congressional hearing and filed millions of dollars in fines against a TV station when a nipple was briefly exposed during a TV show. So yes, any nudity = the most obscene and grotesque perversion of nature imaginable. Keep that in mind and it will all make sense.

I know, but I could always dream at least LL has common sense (I know, keep dreaming)

Still, I do like this separating/filtering thing, I just think they need to think it through on a global scale before they just jump into it (again, dreaming)

On my wall in the Egotherapy Centre is a framed 'nudity permit' signed by D.G.Lagwoot, no less. It entitles me to go without clothing in any mature public areas of the grid, although I do wear clothes nearly all the time!!

You will wear your full body robes and face coverings and like it missy.

I'm going to quote this here.

I own a shop also.. and it's a pretty popular one. I've worked for nearly 3 years to build up a reputation of solid products that truly enhance people's SL lives. Not every product has met that standard, but every product was as good as I could make it, when it was made.

My shop has 38 products.

By sheer numbers, my store is predominantly a toy and avatar store. jetpacks, rocket boots, robot avatars and accessories, a remote controlled spaceship, a porta potty, a gameboy.. all utterly and truly as PG as it gets. However, in the same shop, I also sell latex clothing items and accessories, and in one corner of my shop, I sell eyes and genitalia.

There's no sex club, no poseballs, no dance floor and strippers. It's a "parts shop" where people come to puchase furniture and accessories for their avatars.

I call my shop "Eclectic Randomness" because there is no theme. It's "whatever I felt like making".. and the business model has proven effective and popular.

I purchased land on the mainland because the owner of the private estate were I was renting, was falling on some hard financial times, and I didn't want the rug pulled out from under my business unexpectedly. I purchased a rather expensive plot of land on a mature rated mainland sim (Healy).. because I knew that while MOST of my business was PG, some of it wasn't.. and a mature rating ensured that I would be safe.

I want to keep my land in Healy. I like it here. I have great neighbors and we work together to share sim resources. I've been here about 6 months., and my business is flourishing.

But the "theme" of my business isn't adult. Yes, there are a couple of "adult" items.. but the mature is far outweighed by the immature. When I advertise those mature items, those advertisements are marked as "Mature" (and don't include images).. but most of my sales come through word of mouth, and the effective use of search.

I don't want to be forced to "take a loss" on land that cost me something akin to 100USD.. only to have to buy some land at a premium rate on a new continent... uproot my business and lose 6 months worth of landmark propagation, all for the pleasure of limiting my business's exposure to a smaller segment of the population.

My shop isn't a sex club.

I think nudity should be PG. There are many completely non-sexual areas where nudists hang out that don't deserve to be penalized in search.

The ease with which one can find human slave auctions and beastiality is alarming more than any other offensive sexual content like porn on prims out in the open.

no, you care to have them. You don't need them at all.

Works of Art. Will artwork depicting nudes - or at the very least, the human form - be considered "adult only"? In this case, I refer to "established artists resident in sl" and their depictions and NOT representations of nude forms used for salacious or corrupting/corruptive purposes. For example, I have been told in both sl and rl that even a nipple can be considered obscene for some people.

Mature Land. Will my Mature Land on Mainland be redesignated? I am still not clear on this. I certainly do NOT want to move my home and my acquired works of sl art to another continent.

Age Verification. Can you confirm that a regular credit card payment be acceptable as age verification? Canadians are unable to age verify under the present system and credit card verification will be immensely helpful.

I see no reason why Lindens should ban or censure artwork that can be viewed in any art gallery in any country that follows basic human values and tenets. Please confirm that artists and the collectors of their work will not be restricted to the "colonies".

In my real work I am familiar with what you are addressing here, so from what I can gather, community members who practise bdsm, slavery, desecration, and demeaning, vile acts of degradation of a fellow human being must be "licensed" to do so and must practise these "lifestyles" in a designated area. Otherwise, anyone else who maintains a lifestyle that is "mainstream" in terms of evidence of growth and health issues will be safe and won't be bothered. I can live with that. As long as I can keep my pictures on the walls and "play" with my partner.

What about nusists/naturists?
They are not doing anything sexual, but ar showing their birthday suit (well skin then) in everyday life.

Will they be confined into the adult continent now?

And for the multicultural and international approach...

PLEASE explain the allowed and dissallowed things clearly and dont refer to ratings that isn't understood at all outside USA.

Speaking of ratings... which PG? There are at least three of them as far as i know

So mean! Can't they have hmm, even a guideline then? That's a lot less than a definition.

Blondin: I haven't read all the way through yet so forgive me if this has already been asked: how do you define "private" home? If the home is on a mainland parcel and does not have ban lines (i.e. is publically accessible) ... is it not considered private, since anyone could walk in and engage in sexual behavior?

No, I would consider that a private home.

Stores that have the "Unlucky Chair" version of the Lucky Chair - (often used as a special decor around Halloween time) where people sit in the chair and are decapitated, gored, or otherwise maimed for the opportunity to win a prize - would now fall under this category?

This is tricky, but from my understanding, no. Nudists/Naturalist will not be deemed as Adult. This is under the assumption that the main point of the gathering is not sexual.

I'm not sure I understand your second question. Are you asking about the PG/M/and Adult ratings?

my definition is this and it basicly the same as the esrb ratings. sexual acts of an explicid nature where the gentials can be seen. under the blankets unable to see a thing doesnt count in this definition. here is my idea about resident who dont want to see that kinda stuff. if you dont want to see it dont go to those kinda places we all know that alot of noobs head strait for the sex places now if they are all the sudden complaing why did the go there to start with.

and last but no least what is going to happen to those people with more then one avatar who only have one avatar verified with payment or age verication?

i dont think its fair to them to have to put payment info in for every single one of there other avatars. maybe if they have more then one avatar once they put info in for one it can count towards all fo them.

Blondin, first let me say that I really appreciate all the lindens that are keeping up with these threads. Even though I might not like all that has been said, it really speaks highly of you all that you are taking time to help us through this.

That being said, about the Nudists/Naturalist issue: According to the current definition of mature content, "Soliciting of chat sex or avatar nudity " is considered adult in nature.

That is from.."https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417".

Loose, very loose thread.

They say they want to come up with a standard for an international community, I see no such thing happening here.

Too many different cultures and standards for that. As someone mentioned, a lawsuit against a TV station for one brief nipple? They would cover their eyes seeing Dutch television after 9pm.

It's such a fine line, if someone lands on my sim dressed sexy or in latex, I dont find that offensive, Someone wearing a collar? nope, their business. Someone being dragged around leached? or punished? Yes. Do that at home, not at my place.

And the profiles should be PG? omg goodluck on that, most newbies have sex sims as picks or group names listed in their profiles.

Interesting to see how this one developes.

Good, I hope this is written into the guidelines.



Well, PG means Parental Guidance. By that definition, that we are allowed to give our RL children access to SL as long as they stay in the PG areas, correct?

In other words, come up with a better term or allow RL children, one or the other. It's a perfect time to fix a mistake in wording that should have been fixed years ago.