Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!

Sorry Doc... LL is keeping the commission structure in place. Sucks for the merchants.

If you think it is so bad, then blaim Virtuatrade and Electric Sheep Company for selling out and not for Linden Lab for seizing a good business opportunity.

Better yet, create your own trade site. Personally, I just get tired of all the Linden bashing when people are clueless to the why's here. Stop assuming the worst. Linden Lab is not the big bad wolf who is out to eat you. If you hate it so much then leave. Otherwise, try to be a bit positive.

After having had a chance to sleep on this. I can see possible ways it could be beneficial. However, I can also see ways it could be detrimental. It will all depend on how LL implements it. And given their past track record, I don't expect they will be giving residents what they want. So still negative overall.

*waits to see how long before all adult categories are removed from XStreet.*

I'm guessing this is why they are going with Street not Onrez.

My wishlist for XStreet SL improvements ...

1) A "Skybox" Category ... I've asked Xstreet SL staff over an over for a specific category for skyboxes, and it's always "at the top of the to-do list." This is my NUMBER ONE NEED in XStreet.

2) Ability to Group Similar Products for Updates ... I have many products that are 20 copies of the same thing in different sizes or colors. Xstreet's template feature is a first step, but I'd like to see a better model for grouping nearly identical products so that I can update them all at once, instead of taking half an hour to add a note to the text of each of them, or to change the price or the photo on them all individually. In particular, I've found a need for a "grouped" text section and a separate section that's info specific to that particular item. And, as I have hundreds of products, make this something I can use for managing existing listings, not just new ones as the current templates are.

3) Ability to Categorize Products in a "Storefront" ... I oftentimes send people directly to a XStreet search for my name, which then shows all of my products at once. Instead of the chaos of hundreds of products all listed alphabetically, I'd prefer a "storefront" concept that lets me present my items to my customers by theme ... a folder for skyboxes, for scripts, for furniture, etc.

4) Make New Product/Image Uploads Faster ... this is my number one time waster.

5) Tracking XStreet & SL Income Separately ... from the FAQ on this, I see you're planning on merging SL and XStreet accounts and combining the L$ balances of both. XStreet's tracking of sales and income is much superior to SL's, whose 1-month archive limit is frustrating for real businesspeople. Also, having my XStreet sales wrapped into my SL transaction record would make it very difficult for me to pull my SL and XStreet sales apart, so I can see how much I'm making from each venue.

Thanks for listening!

Please leave the forums at Xstreet/slX alone. I don't come here anymore because all the "fun" of visiting the forums was removed when you took out general discussion, etc.

However I don't like the fact that SL seems that SL is no longer a group effort involving a wide variety of companies and people... now it is just LL.

Some things I'd like to see:

1)Anyone with a SL account would be able to buy from Xstreet without having to register for an account there, by just by using their SL acct.

2) The ability to sell directly from my own website to anyone with a SL account via the dropboxes I use for Xstreet.

3) Lower commission for premium SL members selling on Xstreet, even none, since we're already paying for SL services and this is now under that "umbrella".

I think this is a ligement question. How much did LL spend for both xstreetsl and Onrez?

I have a couple of questions - along with lots of other people:

1)Will X-street US$ withdrawals to PayPal be left unchanged - at the speed and fees we know today?

2)Will VAT be added for European merchants, making it harder for us to compete on X-street? (as it already is in the private land business)

I know there is not much hope of an answer to these questions; but we can at least try.

Corporations (and governments) big or small will always move in the direction of their own best interests regardless of of the effect on the public or the world. The only thing that keeps any of them in check is 'self interest" and the power of the buyer or voter. If whichever of those 'checks & balances' losses its power then there is no longer anything to hold back the natural progression of the entity toward what they perceive as their own best interests.

Linden Lab:

Please reconsider shutting down OnRez. Their in-world vendor service -- where merchants can put their products into merchant packs and then link them to their own customizable in-world vendors -- isn't available on XStreet.

I will lose a very valuable tool for selling my work in SL. XStreet is not a replacement for me.

I understand that XStreet is much bigger than OnRez, but OnRez is by far the better system.

I'm not thrilled with LL buying these services in the first place, but if you must, find a way to integrate the OnRez in-world vendor system into XStreet first.

Hum. "My country love it or leave it." Where have I heard this before?

From a seller standpoint:

1. Keep the XStreet forums, would be nice if you didn't censor them or cut off the ability to add links and pictures. Announcing new products is useless on the "official SL forums" because of this.

2. Incorporate the OnRez item listing interface or one like it into XStreet. As a seller, the batch editing for listings rules. XStreet's does not...well there isn't any batch editing on XStreet so you kinda get my point. If you want to list or delete a few items on XStreet you gotta pack a lunch because you are going to be there awhile.

3. I personally don't want to use my SL password for my XStreet account, I do not want them migrated together. Not everyone uses their Second Life AV name for their XStreet account. I don't see how you will handle failed transactions and LL transfers better than the XStreet staff, the occasions I have seen this inworld, unless the av had a paid account they were waiting a few weeks for you to get around to giving them their lindens.

On the good side, having XStreet search ability incorporated into the SL Search will be a great thing.

To buy up the major competitors maybe keeping on with Microsoft's megalomaniac plans;
but in England -such a monopoly might be referred to the Dept Trade & Industries Monopolies Commission.

Its not in the best interest of fair competition or the customers.

This is not a country. It is an online 3D virtual program owned by a corporation called Linden Lab.

Imagine that, the Lindens see far more service provided than the fees charged. What a surprise that they buy two services and kill the free one. OTOH, LL always claims they are doing great moneywise then they add another way of getting more money out of its most active residents.

Somewhere as i was reading i saw mention of Hippo working with Xstreet.
This is the first I have ever heard of this. If anyone has more information please post it so that we can read this.

I still agree with everyone that the OnRez Vendor system should be kept up and running in SL.

LL please do not take this awesome feature away from the people who have spent hours setting up their merchandise. Now your going to make us spend more hours setting it up all over again which is totally NOT COOL.

Also the search functions in SLX and OnRez didn't seem to be censored.

Try searching for "Poker" using the search option in SL.

I wonder if the SL new search rules will apply to the new SLX.

My take on this

The L$ exchange on XStreet will be a thing of the past as will XStreet directly doing the paypal transfers. It makes absolutely no sense for LL to maintain 2 separate monetary exchanges and paypal systems.

I do STRONGLY suggest the folks at LL have some serious conversations with the XStreet folks and find out what they do to expidite paypal transfers. It might be that LL can learn how to make thier own system MUCH more efficient

I do think LL needs to be a bit careful in how many 3rd party sites they swallow up. Competition is actually a good thing. It drives innovation.

So Javier Puff had better watch out in case Linden Lab effectively "de-knacker" him?

I think your mind is a bit clouded.
Every human being can conclude that the Lab lacks several things.
Service...?
A stable grid?
''Unpleasant'' surprises?

That has been proven time and time again, to be the PRIMARY objective of LL. Me thinks they often forget the hands that FEED them...



Agreed Ewan... their "Search" cesspool would be an EXCELLENT start! How about defunct sites? Keyword abuse? What's wrong with honoring creativity, hard work, supporting those who ACTUALLY provide GOOD service (i.e. the higher the popularity/traffic, the better the position on the search listing)? Wouldn't THAT more aptly encourage a higher and better quality commercial experience? Some business owners forget that THEY need US... there are PLENTY more shops in-world; and SOME of them actually respect their consumers!



Absolutely JubJub! Of particular note and insight is TL's reply "Support is one of the key reasons that we are happy that the XStreet team is joining the lab. And since the marketplace is a new area that [BOLD][UNDERLINE]we are investing in[/BOLD][/UNDERLINE], it's highly unlikely that we'd limit support." Its clearly defines the source of their motivation. Improving our (Residents) what??? Pish!

We're not concerned LL will "limit support". We're vexed at the probability that it will become synonymous with LL's CURRENT level of support...



Hear HEAR! Well said...

Lastly; (I know, I know - Thank God =]) Its MHO, that this is a veiled maneuver to circumvent the anticipated dirge of revenue stemming from the tide of Commercial Vendors closing up In-world businesses; as a means of avoiding yet ANOTHER LL attempt of abusive exploitative capitalism - visa vies the rumored/pending Commercial land tax expected to be imposed on in-world businesses.

Way to dig even DEEPER into your PRIME CONSTITUENCIES' pockets LL... when will ENOUGH be enough??? How about ACTUALLY improving the quality of our in-world life, in lieu of the expanse of your bank accounts??? Why isn't THAT your primary object - for SL to be a pleasant CONTRAST to RL? Just so you know, I KNOW - there ARE other venues I COULD be "investing" MY revenue. Keep motivating me to explore my options...

Consolidated passwords. Sounds very unsafe. Especially after the recent warnings in the official blog about password safety (http://blog.secondlife.com/2009/01/16/is-your-password-safe/).

And to think I just got the OnRez vendors in prep to migrate from my previous vendors. :::deleting vendors:::

Will the asset server problems be sorted out before Xstreet and OnRez content is brought into the Search database? Huge potential for lag here.

I'm going to miss keeping some of my funds in my Xstreet and OnRez accounts for when in-world balance issues pop up.

What is going to happen to the OnRez viewer?

More "knee-jerk" reactions on my blog (http://poultryreport.blogspot.com).

they are lieing they said they wont change anything in th currency excahnge yet,,but yu can go see yur self,,they already changed the structure of BUY and SELL system,,they made it thesame as lindens exchange,,,DAMN,,,i knew that was gonna happen,,,BYE BYE xstreetsl im out,,,

Very well put. This is sadly the state we are in, where we Residents have nobody with any authority to look out for our best interests.