RC Questions

Can somebody post a link with all related jiras.
I think I may add a couple.
I want to make sure I have not missed any.
I also need to vote on some of the side issues.

Thanks ahead of time,
~Hyp

I guess they skipped the class about "Giving the customers what they want, rather than trying to sell what you have" in business school *smile*

Speaking of crazy talk, check out this quote from the Blog:

"Finally, we are evaluating and testing a new class of server, which will be using the new Intel Nehalem chipset. My expectation is to begin deploying these servers in conjunction with the commissioning of our East Coast facility in late 2009. These servers will also support our green strategy, as we expect to see a dramatic increase in core processing power, allowing us to host a greater number of regions on a single server"

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/05/14/the-greening-of-second-life

If they can pack more regions/server, then shouldn't we expect a drop in tier? Or if they keep the same number per server, at least get a boost in performance so we don't bog down from script overload so easy?

How about a variable number of regions per server, using virtualization, to match the region load?

Matching odd size and shape parcels is definitely a challenge. You have a jigsaw puzzle of random pieces to fit within each 256x256m region. If you don't already have a standard size parcel (1024, 2048, etc), about the best I can suggest is rounding up or down in units of 256m (16x16 blocks). Otherwise you end up with random leftover microparcels, and all the problems those create.

Linden Lab should be offering some assistance here though, it's their policy causing problems for estate tenants and estate owners. Linden Lab recognise this on their mainland estate, they are not charging tier for x amount of days and building new land. Estate owners can't do this so easily and there has been a deafening silence from LL on the estate issue, estate owners are customers too, why are LL so reluctant to help them out?

Actually is an RP sim.. with a Marketplace... i dont think anyone uses Adult words in their search, i will have to check that. But it is an island cant fly there and there is a TP point which brings to in at the market, 700 meters up.

Part of which is caused by the insistence that roads on the mainland were usually at an angle or some odd shape.

Setting 2^x as a standard hits the smaller landowners though ... who rely on that 10% (not 8% or 16%) bump to their tier level when the land is owned by a group.

Good question.

Can we round up to the nearest 512 or 256?
I have acquired a lot of odd bits to add prims over time.

That does work but it means you're verifying from an address you don't actually live at.

I'd also wager it's not the passport number they have difficulty with, it's the electoral register. I know that in the UK people from outside the UK can't vote in all our elections even if they live here, so they're not on the electoral register, which would seem to be Aristotle's first port of call.

That also doesn't work in all cases (I'm also a EU citizen who lives in one EU country and was born in another). My original (birth country) passport has my current address; I'm not "registered" in my original country in any way other than still having citizenship. Regardless of that, I have tried all sorts of combinations of old country info / new country info and have not been able to age verify with Aristotle that way. And I've been living where I live now for over 10 years.

There's no address written in my UK passport, Monalisa, and I'm certainly under no obligation to keep the passport service informed of my current address; the only way they would normally find out if my address has changed since they issued my passport would be if I needed to contact them about something.

I mentioned this either earlier in this forum or in the previous one, but it bears repeating. I cannot see what use -- if any -- Aristotle make of UK passport numbers. There's no legal way they get any personal information about me from my passport number; the most the passport service would tell them is if the number I'd provided was that of a valid UK passport, not whose it was or how old they were. See http://www.ips.gov.uk/identity/working-pvs-how.asp for further particulars.

To obtain this information, they would need both to be registered with the passport service AND to phone them up; this inquiry service is really for the benefit of organisations like banks, who have, by law, to ask for certain forms of identification (including passports) under certain circumstances.

From the speed at which Aristotle verified my age when I entered my passport number on a Sunday morning, UK time (the middle of the night in the US), I very much doubt that they actually phoned anyone, let alone made an international phone call to the UK Passport Service.

It's not impossible, I guess, that they are accessing this information illegally, but it's unlikely they would so indiscreet about their ability so to do, since the reason the Passport Service is so protective of its data (and is required by law to be) is that the data would be so useful to money launderers, fraudsters, makers of false passports and so on, so the police and security services would soon take an interest in Aristotle's dealings.

Since I'm not on the publicly searchable electoral register, all I can guess is Aristotle ran an on-line check with a credit reference agency like Experian, who would have been able to use their proprietory data to confirm my age from my name and post code but wouldn't have needed my passport number so to do, and that the passport number business is just window-dressing. Anyway, that's the simplest explanation that fits all the known facts, so my friend William of Ockham thinks it's probably the right one.

I may sound like I know what I am talking about, but trust me, I have no power. Talk to Jack Linden

He fobbed off Adult changes to Blondin EXCEPT land move issues, thats his problem.

You could always try this one:

Elvis Presley / Graceland / 3764 Elvis Presley Boulevard / Memphis / United States / Tennesse / (Zip Code) 38116 / (DOB) Jan 8 1935 / (Driver's License) 2571459

(It worked for my alt

I believe Linden Labs made up their minds about most of this before announcing it on the official blog. But, burned by the customer relations disaster with open spaces, they are this time pretending (maybe even trying?) to consult the residents, but only adjusting their plans slightly.

I also believe that the reason they mentioned in the blog announcement are not the real reasons they make this change. They say it is to give user preference, but they don't give the power to users, but hold it to themselves to define "adult" in a totally US-centric way. They are pressured by US media and politics. It is not about resident wishes. They protect themselves. Maybe they protect us too.

It might be necessary for the survival of Second Life! But if so, I wish they first said "Dear Residents, we have a problem…" and explained it so we can work with them to solve it. How we would work! We love and build SL!

Instead we have nonsense about preferences and sham of consultation. That preferences are nonsense is clear because that is not what they are doing (unless you count one big "adult" switch and forced verification as "preference". That consultation is sham is clear from large inconsistency between statements of different Lindens and between statements and actions.

So, I am not very angry about necessary changes to protect SL from the US media and government. Those are forces hard to resist. I am angry because I think Linden Labs do not co-operate with the people who pay them and create content for their world. But even about that I only sigh. Modern corporations mostly hate their customers as causes of trouble but sadly necessary as sources of money.

To me, Second Life is like a world ruled by Greek gods on Mount Olympus. They are powerful, arbitrary, inconsistent, and don't care much about the mortals except as kind of pets.

I can only hope for future where such gods are overthrown by open protocols and infrastructure.

I know... - and no EU-based Linden had the idea to tell the smarties at the headquarter, to hold distance to Aristotle because Aristotle's system is unable to work properly - globewide.

We all (that means: not only me) are telling this to LL day by day.

Even american friends have not in any case success with Aristotle. The process of verifying fails dramaticaly. It is just a lottery. Like throwing a coin. *This* is ridiculous.

"Anyone"? I pointed on > Linden Research, Inc./Linden Lab plus Aristotle and not on "anyone".

I think this was precise written in my posting.



Ah. I checked my translator now (LEO) - the software says: "state"pol.) means also nation, beside this it can mean a federal region too plus several other meanings i. e "state of mind" and much more.

Do you have hair-splitting day today? Relax. Nothing bad happened.



I am verified. PIU. Via CC. My alts too.

I wrote not about myself as you have maybe noticed.

I spoke with many other people about Aristotle, in front of all with the people on my friendslist. They have masssive problems with Arisitotle's non-working system, especially if they are registered in their new country after they're living in their new country. Additional it works often enough not, even if one never left the country of birth. I mean...you have read my text, or?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8043490.stm

and yet we have to be on our guard not to let these impressionable darlings see a virtual nipple??

O.O

oh sure, i am quite sure they do nothing with the passport number. I entered mine. It's meaningless at this level this is undoubtedly just for show. Probably the maximum check they could do is to check that the number you entered has the correct number of digits and format to be someone's passport number.

Hans

Yeah they can do that and there are codes that they can work out to say whether a UK passport is from the UK without needing to confirm whose passport it is.

I know But I'm age-verified via payment info anyway, and the point stands that there are many cases for which Aristotle won't work if you use truthful (and your own) info.

At this moment I am planning a move from the Netherlands to Germany. And even though I will remain dutch, I will have to sign out of the citizenship registers (or whatever they will be called). Effectively they will say 'emigrated', thus rendering my old address useless. And when it comes to using an old address... that doesn't feel right..

A.

We have the in world text chat with the voice transcript here

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Second_Adult_Definitions_meeting

Is there supposed to be a blog post today?

There was according to Blondin but I think LL have chosen to enrage their XSL users instead.

and there's a new server deployment starting monday

1.26.4.120562 on 2009 May 15

* SVC-4143[c]: Limit the number of scripts an te manager can disable at once to prevent broad irreversible script disabling catastrophe
* Make login.cgi sanitize UTF-8 from the "motd" that is displayed during logins
* Fix a simulator crash mode
* Logging added to track down one of our remaining sim crash modes
* Remove log spam and fix problems with underground objects not derezzing
* TP requests need hardcoded region maturity and (server-side code only)
* Fix a typo in inventory offer email message.
* Coalesced Object Fixes:
o SVC-3521[c]: Make sure no-copy objects in a coalesced object are not lost when the coalesced object is rezzed too close to a parcel edge
o SVC-3235[c]: Make sure that coalesced objects are not lost when rezzed on a full parcel
o Make sure that returning and deleting an object over the prim limit fails properly
* removed and added words to the "adult words"
* WEB-1066[c]: Make sure region name shows up on the transaction log


it smacks of LL "giving us assistance" with the move by fixing some issues around moving coalesced objects.

LOL I posted the link a minute ago just shows what happens when I take a day away from the PC and don't read all the posts before answering Ceria's one a few back.

I am trying also to ensure all the chat logs etc from the office hours go up within an hour or 2 of the meeting as they are emailed to me

Some of the Jira's are listed here

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Links_to_Linden_statements_on_Adult_Content

I haven't had time to collate them all and some are ref'd from http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727

If that is what you meant