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Lord Sullivan
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05-15-2009 16:01
From: Ciaran Laval
That does work but it means you're verifying from an address you don't actually live at.

I'd also wager it's not the passport number they have difficulty with, it's the electoral register. I know that in the UK people from outside the UK can't vote in all our elections even if they live here, so they're not on the electoral register, which would seem to be Aristotle's first port of call.


I proved that when I had to use an old UK address and I haven't been on the electoral roll there for a good many years either lol
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Ceera Murakami
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05-15-2009 16:40
From: Couldbe Yue
and there's a new server deployment starting monday

1.26.4.120562 on 2009 May 15

* SVC-4143[c]: Limit the number of scripts an te manager can disable at once to prevent broad irreversible script disabling catastrophe
* Make login.cgi sanitize UTF-8 from the "motd" that is displayed during logins
* Fix a simulator crash mode
* Logging added to track down one of our remaining sim crash modes
* Remove log spam and fix problems with underground objects not derezzing
* TP requests need hardcoded region maturity and (server-side code only)
* Fix a typo in inventory offer email message.
* Coalesced Object Fixes:
o SVC-3521[c]: Make sure no-copy objects in a coalesced object are not lost when the coalesced object is rezzed too close to a parcel edge
o SVC-3235[c]: Make sure that coalesced objects are not lost when rezzed on a full parcel
o Make sure that returning and deleting an object over the prim limit fails properly
* removed and added words to the "adult words"
* WEB-1066[c]: Make sure region name shows up on the transaction log


it smacks of LL "giving us assistance" with the move by fixing some issues around moving coalesced objects.
Unfortunately, the irrational limit of 1000 prims on any coallesced objects that can now be taken into inventory or deleted, imposed in server release 1.26.3, still stands. Good luck on moving large and complex builds, when you can't even pick it up all at once!
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Panther Farber
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05-15-2009 19:09
From: Monalisa Robbiani
So hmm, why not find a community that accepts that lifestyle? I am on mature land myself, and I would ban any guy for showing their dong dong as well. I don't care if it's a human or furry. I am a furry as well, and I expect furries to wear clothing, as we aren't animals, are we? No wait, we are animals, but civilized ones. :)


i would probably never hang out in your area. i never hang out anywhere that is so prudish they make me wear clothes. i stick to mature areas where people hang out like waterhead and bear. why are they still enforcing their double standard infohub rules in mature areas when they no longer send newbies to those areas?
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Valentine Young
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Jira
05-15-2009 19:31
http://jira.secondlife.com/secure/UserVotes!default.jspa

votes
MISC-2727 3713 Terminate All Installation of any "Adult Content" filtering, Relocation,
Banning, Viewer Modifications, Server Modifications

VWR-12962 1057 Skins with alpha bake make up much more opaquely than before - WILL BE FIXED SOON!

VWR-12977 312 Please add the ability to Filter out PG rated content.

MISC-2736 226 Remove "Ladyboy" from the list of Adult keys!

VWR-13032 54 Request for contextual based search functionality to be added to the viewer and to parcel options.

SVC-205 53 Privacy Pocket

SVC-3440 14 llGetParcelFlags gives incorrect information


Did the JIRA change today, to split Home page into projects, and remove ordered list of top voted upon issues?
Persephone Loon
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05-15-2009 22:28
From: Panther Farber
i would probably never hang out in your area. i never hang out anywhere that is so prudish they make me wear clothes. i stick to mature areas where people hang out like waterhead and bear. why are they still enforcing their double standard infohub rules in mature areas when they no longer send newbies to those areas?


Come to Persephone's Grove -- we're clothing optional and fur-friendly.


Persephone
Persephone Loon
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05-15-2009 22:30
From: Waterstar Eilde
I've even contemplated the notion that he's really a Linden having fun stirring things up on his downtime... ;)


So he's really Philip in his jammies . . . ? o.O

(So to speak . . . )


Persephone
Ryanna Enfield
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05-16-2009 01:16
Didn't a Linden mention that an updated AC Blog was supposed to be posted on Friday? Guess it was delayed?

*Edit* Nevermind, I see someone already asked.
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Lord Sullivan
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05-16-2009 01:18
From: Ciaran Laval
Is there supposed to be a blog post today?


Yes there was but it looks like the "Land Expo 2009", "Memorial University is Nationally Recognized in Canada for Excellence in Innovation using Second Life", "The Greening of Second Life" and "Shopping for Virtual Goods Just Got Simpler" are far more important for LL than the issues at hand ;)
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Couldbe Yue
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05-16-2009 02:45
From: Lord Sullivan
Yes there was but it looks like the "Land Expo 2009", "Memorial University is Nationally Recognized in Canada for Excellence in Innovation using Second Life", "The Greening of Second Life" and "Shopping for Virtual Goods Just Got Simpler" are far more important for LL than the issues at hand ;)



The XSL one has been interesting. The outcry over the login cockup has probably been 5% of what it was in January (?) when they tried exactly the same thing, yet for some reason after a couple of unfavourable responses on the blog, Colossus has decided he's going to review the procedure and get back to us on Monday.

It's all good fun.
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
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05-16-2009 02:47
From: Tali Rosca
Ah, but no! Not qualifying for a swap does *not* mean you don't need to move. Only that you're not "one of those most affected".
The free swap has always only been for *some*, based on undisclosed criteria.
It has never had anything to do with actually approving your content.


Ah, but that will be their excuse for not giving you the move in the first place.

I apply for a free swap ticket
They come and check out my set-up
Are they going to say "you need to move, but you don't qualify for the free swap", or are they going to say "You don't *need* to move so you don't get the free swap"?

If it's the second, then my response will be "really? can I have that in writing please? And while you're at it, could you write me up a dispensation so that I can advertise to my adult customers from a mature plot of land, please?"

I wonder what the answers to those questions will be? :)

^V^
Valerius Constantine
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05-16-2009 04:20
From: Lord Sullivan
Colonial cousins ;)


Wasn't it Churchill who said that The Americans and the British were two peoples separated by a common language? :)

^V^
Valerius Constantine
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05-16-2009 04:38
From: Lord Sullivan
You echo a lot of my sentiments here and I still think everyone that wants the move should sex up their parcels and put them in search and apply for the move, ensuring their parcels are free public sex areas and using all the naughty words ;)



Don't forget, they should put a sexed up *business* on their parcel to qualify- strip club, escort service, sex club, whatever.

Got a 512? "This is my dungeon of sexual horrors"

A 16? "This is my rape room for tinys"

advertise, tart up the land description with terms from the search wiki, and claim economic hardship.

Want to get some decent traffic, midnight mania boards are hot with now- get a set of full perm sex poseballs, and stick them in the MM board give away adult freebies, and find a free porn stream and pipe it to your parcel.

go all out! :)

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Valerius Constantine
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05-16-2009 04:59
From: Alexander Harbrough
I think we simply have different opinions here. To me, modesty in what is presented publicly is simple politeness, the adult concept of being respectful that others may not want to see the same things you do. In private is another matter. I am not opposed to adult content existing, and in fact defend its right to advertize. I just agree that the concept of 'reasonable restrictions' applies.


Politeness is both relative and contextual. You fit your attempts at politeness to the people you are trying to be polite to, and the environment that you are in.

Say "politeness" as if it has some sort of universal meaning is muddying your position, not clarifying it.

From: someone
How are you being any different, though? I do not mean that in any offensive manner, but how is insisting that nothing should be done to mitigate risks any better or worse than insisting everything should be done?


You are continually mistaking opposition to the poorly thought-out and inadequate plan presented by LL as "insisting that nothing should be done". In fact, the point that is being made here, for the most part, is that there are far more effective ways to mitigate, without inflicting such an unusually large amount of financial and emotional pain upon those who are abiding by the current rules of the road.
And in some case, Alexander, not attempting *additional* mitigating methods is the wisest course- especially for LL, considering the package of ideas that they have chosen.

From: someone
Which laws? I am confused here. I know you are in favour of complete age verification and getting rid of free accounts... I am not averse to that suggestion, just feel that it might be an even tougher sell. It might also be worse for SL, which would make it harder to sell to LL.


A harder sell than a track record of periodically yanking the rug out from under your investors, content providers, and the businesses that support them? The people without whom SL would by a mass expanse of crap grass textures and duck-walking avatars with orange skin?
A harder sell that *that*, Alexander?

From: someone
Nothing is a panacea. That does not mean nothing has virtue.


Neither does it follow that "anything new" (as opposed to "nothing new";) Has virtue.

From: someone
Look, you once claimed to have put me on ignore EVEN THOUGH WE WERE AGREEING at the time, at least to the principles being discussed. Even though we were agreeing, you still argued against me. If you think I am a troll or a plant, just stop responding to my posts. It is that simple.


Alexander, you have a way of disagreeing even with people who agree with you. and yes, you do prolong the argument by making, in particular, Ad Absurdum arguments. like saying that because someone is against making *additional* sacrifices for a tiny mitigation effect, that they are against mitigation entirely, or advocating doing nothing at all.

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DanielRavenNest Noe
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What is public on mature land? More from Blondin
05-16-2009 05:22
Apparently he says restricted entry land (verified, group only), and invite only group, but large group (300 members) is public:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Linden_chat_Logs

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Side comment: I found a few more words that are filtered:

Gambling and Lottery are filtered *Even at adult level*, ie totally banned from search.
Innula Zenovka
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05-16-2009 05:25
From: Valerius Constantine
Ah, but that will be their excuse for not giving you the move in the first place.

I apply for a free swap ticket
They come and check out my set-up
Are they going to say "you need to move, but you don't qualify for the free swap", or are they going to say "You don't *need* to move so you don't get the free swap"?

If it's the second, then my response will be "really? can I have that in writing please? And while you're at it, could you write me up a dispensation so that I can advertise to my adult customers from a mature plot of land, please?"

I wonder what the answers to those questions will be? :)

^V^
This was the point of my question to Blondin at his office hours last week about what happens to someone who sells "sexy clothing" (mature) but primarily designed for a BDSM and fetish market and of interest to strippers and escorts in search of kinky outfits (extremely difficult to advertise to your target market from anything other than adult land).

His response was
From: someone
If you have a business that caters to Adult Accounts and those are the words you should use. Submit a ticket to move, i don't think you'd be denied
Lord Sullivan
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05-16-2009 05:37
From: Valerius Constantine
Wasn't it Churchill who said that The Americans and the British were two peoples separated by a common language? :)

^V^


George Bernard Shaw :P
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Innula Zenovka
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05-16-2009 05:43
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Gambling and Lottery are filtered *Even at adult level*, ie totally banned from search.
I wonder if there's a Chance Of "Games" becoming a banned term unless LL can get their heads round contextual search. Otherwise I'm betting that people intent on "gaming the system" won't find that particular restriction too difficult to circumvent.
Lord Sullivan
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05-16-2009 05:47
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Apparently he says restricted entry land (verified, group only), and invite only group, but large group (300 members) is public:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Linden_chat_Logs

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Side comment: I found a few more words that are filtered:

Gambling and Lottery are filtered *Even at adult level*, ie totally banned from search.


Looks like LL are going to add a whole raft of words they don't like to the list as time moves on :( what we need is a script that can run on our servers and test a whole dictionary word list and output the banned words to a page on SLapt.me

If there is anyone that can write a script we could house on our servers to test the word list a few times a week and output it to a page on our server for people to check please email me at [email]iain@bdsm-life.com[/email] and I assure anyone getting in touch will have their confidentiality respected and their name or any details will not be released to anyone.

Or if you know someone that could do this please pass the message along.

Many thanks
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Couldbe Yue
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05-16-2009 05:54
another list of naughty words to run through the filter after 1.26.n is rolled out next week :)

http://freetexthost.com/5o3zjf2qis
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Tali Rosca
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05-16-2009 06:06
From: Valerius Constantine
Ah, but that will be their excuse for not giving you the move in the first place.

I apply for a free swap ticket
They come and check out my set-up
Are they going to say "you need to move, but you don't qualify for the free swap", or are they going to say "You don't *need* to move so you don't get the free swap"?

If it's the second, then my response will be "really? can I have that in writing please? And while you're at it, could you write me up a dispensation so that I can advertise to my adult customers from a mature plot of land, please?"

I wonder what the answers to those questions will be? :)

^V^

From what we've heard, option one is definitely a possibility, but, again, since the swap has nothing to do with whether GTeam and the published guidelines judge you must move, the answer you'd get would only be "You don't qualify for the free swap".
-And if you push them, you'll likely get some waffling about "we do not know what future users will find offensive, so we cannot guarantee you'll not be required to move later".
Waterstar Eilde
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05-16-2009 06:42
From: Persephone Loon
So he's really Philip in his jammies . . . ? o.O

(So to speak . . . )


Persephone

... or Blondin ... ? :D
Alexander Harbrough
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05-16-2009 06:56
From: Valerius Constantine
Politeness is both relative and contextual. You fit your attempts at politeness to the people you are trying to be polite to, and the environment that you are in.


This is true, but I was responding to someone suggesting that everyone should naturally accept *everything* anyone else might present, and that everyone should treat how their actions or attire might affect others as those other's problem. In other words, I was speaking against someone taking an absolute position, not someone saying 'this plan represents too much curtesy,' or 'this plan means well but goes overboard.'

From: someone
You are continually mistaking opposition to the poorly thought-out and inadequate plan presented by LL as "insisting that nothing should be done". In fact, the point that is being made here, for the most part, is that there are far more effective ways to mitigate, without inflicting such an unusually large amount of financial and emotional pain upon those who are abiding by the current rules of the road.


Yes I am, because many are pointing at imperfections in the plan and instead of saying 'fix these aspects' are saying 'haha! this plan isn't perfect, scrap it entirely!.

I am very critical of portions of the plan, and agree that implementation should be delayed until they are taken care of (particularly moving costs).

From: someone
And in some case, Alexander, not attempting *additional* mitigating methods is the wisest course- especially for LL, considering the package of ideas that they have chosen.


This is true too, but that does not make it so in this case. You consider this plan fatal, I do not think it will be as bad for SL as others do. Some could be affected very badly, but I have argued in favour of LL mitigating the potential damage a lot more than they are. I also think those aversely affected *might* have some legal recourse in this case, if they can show that LL did not do enough to mitigate the damages and that those people did take significant monetary damages.

From: someone
A harder sell than a track record of periodically yanking the rug out from under your investors, content providers, and the businesses that support them? The people without whom SL would by a mass expanse of crap grass textures and duck-walking avatars with orange skin?
A harder sell that *that*, Alexander?


I repeat: LL need to provide a lot more support for moves, be a lot more accepting of the desires of people to move (even if there was a couple month's cooling off period to let people get a better sense of how this will really work in practice), and that they need to find better means to allow businiesses to advertize.

From: someone
Neither does it follow that "anything new" (as opposed to "nothing new";) Has virtue.


No, it does not, but unless you can show where I have argued in favour of this simply because it is new, all you have is a straw man.

From: someone
Alexander, you have a way of disagreeing even with people who agree with you. and yes, you do prolong the argument by making, in particular, Ad Absurdum arguments. like saying that because someone is against making *additional* sacrifices for a tiny mitigation effect, that they are against mitigation entirely, or advocating doing nothing at all.


Can you give an example of my arguements being absurd rather than mere disagreements? Many of the more recent posts are saying things I was saying a lot earlier in these threads, that were dismissed on the premise that I am too new here to have any meaningful opinion, or that I might be a linden, or simply that bring in favour of the overall plan is somehow 'absurd.'

You are against this, so describe the results as a 'tiny' mitigation effect. Do you have evidence of that? I do know the mitigation effect is not as big as, say, Aristotle would like people to believe, but do you have evidence that it is tiny? Also, do you have evidence of the long term damage from all this? There are a lot of assumptions being made by those projecting their losses. To what extent are they based on fact, on panic, or on neither and are simply arbitrary assumptions?
Valerius Constantine
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05-16-2009 07:18
From: Lord Sullivan
George Bernard Shaw :P


Well, then, I'm sure I must have read something about Churchill quoting Shaw to someone- probably Lady Astor- she was a frequent foil. My favorite Churchill stories are the ones where he's arguing with someone :)

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Wynochee LeShelle
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05-16-2009 07:52
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Apparently he says restricted entry land (verified, group only), and invite only group, but large group (300 members) is public:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Linden_chat_Logs


Interesting interpretation of "public", this Linden has. 300 people..., this is a middle-small albanian family, or the amount of people at a mafia-member-funeral, or a meeting of a Hells Angels chapter, or a wedding ceremony in whatever societies, millions more examples are available about why 300 people at one place are *not* necessarily "public".
Vivienne Schell
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05-16-2009 08:18
From: Valerius Constantine
Churchill


Enough reason to set "Churchill" onto the filtered words ban list. As well as "Shaw". They both were unfriendly individuADULTS (Churchill did not even hesitate to jail the suffragettes!!!) and their wicked and highly subversive personalities should not be exposed to the zillions of education hungry teenagers and business hungry corporate employees flooding the grid soon (By the Zillions according to Meta Linden). "Mickey Mouse" should be banned from search as well, cause there is an obvious sexual relationship with Minny Mouse going on. Not to mention all the highly explicit content created by "Bukowski", "Miller", "Sartre", "Kerouac","Seneca","Freud" and all the remaining terrible "Artists".
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