Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

I was just keeping your seat warm for you.

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Something that I really like is the fact that, even at this stage, Linden Laboratory will be paying just as much attention to comments made here as they did on Page One.

No, I haven't been following the subject directly. Its called research. The law is not a menu with a la cart options. Picking one small aspect of a law without researching other resulting cases is bad form. And in no way does the law you quote protect the viewer. The adult viewer is responsible for protecting themselves. If its a child viewing the material its the parents or guardians responsibility to prevent this. The point of this forum is in regards to, SecondLife, a program marketed to 18 plus individuals exclusively, at this time.

What?? Alex, breath... breath... breath... Okay, better?. What happened to the sound minded person posting previously?

Personally I don't care for child avatars. I believe if an adult wants to portray themselves as a child avatar they should stick to PG Sims. When a child avatar comes to a club that I'm in I simply port out. After all if portraying a child why do things a child wouldn't be able to do in real life? I am an advocate for free speech and constitutionality, so live and let live.

I am not opposed to age verification but do see flaws with the means LL's is doing it. To be honest short of sending someone to every computer connected to SecondLife I don't see how this can work 100% effectively.

Key words: adult, portraying themselves as child avatars. We are not talking real children here. If we are where are the child's parents? I think they need to be investigated for child neglect charges.

If they come out and cheer the law on, then it could be self defeating, both in alienating people in world and in less resistance to harsher laws, as well as maybe admitting culpability that they did not put measures in sooner voluntarily.

As opposed to how they are alienating people now?

point taken, but what else is there to do other than air our views, its better to try and fail than not try at all, besides, what LL don't say is what gives them away, i think most people would agree they are untrustworthy, and a business without trust is not going to be around for too long.

80 regions a week LL are losing on average, around 20000 US$ per month or more.
it cant go on for ever...

/me sweeps yet more debris away and sits back down on the couch with yet more booze and chocs to watch the debate.

Much respect Alexander, you're holding your own against all odds

With due respect, that goes for you as well as for me.



Protection of the viewer is there, albiet very limited.. the provider is required to ask 'are you 18+' with an appropriate warning. Sound famliliar? IIRC that is in the original act, not the amendment. The amendment only includes extensions of the original act, it is not complete in and of itself.



Child's parents are not always there. They do not always pay attention, and kids do run away and/or get abducted. The records age checks are required so that the producer has no excuse that they did not know their model was underaged. Where in the act is there any reference to what age the model appears to be? If you go to an adult website, you will see the disclaimer and reference to the law, even though the images they put up are not likely to be considered child porn from looking at them. If the law isn't to keep kids from adult situations and/or exploitation therefrom, why would those sites need the disclaimer?

Lol I have said quite a few times they are handling this very poorly, and that I get the impression Blondin is not properly trained for this (which is not Blondin's fault but LL's).

Well, there are things one can do. But certainly, it is not _hurting_ anything to vent one's frustrations here, and why not, I have myself - it is just a bit of an irony that the 128th page is just as likely to have attention paid to it as the first.

I hope he takes that into account as he Self Evaluates himself.

Yawns. Lights a cigarette. "This message is hidden because Alexander Harbrough is on your ignore list."

/me slides the ashtray towards you and pats the couch..

This guy isn't a Nany, he's trying to give another perspective and is quite happy to admit when he's mistaken or found something that may change his mind.

how many of us can say that?

The thread is pretty well derailed now so a sensible, non hysteric debate is probably a good way to amuse ourselves over the weekend while we wait for Blondin to come back and stir us up some more.

although I'm a bit worried about Alexander, I think he may be flagging...

has anyone noticed how much logins have dropped in the last week or so and how many more yellow squares on on the map? Two weeks ago logins were in the 80k range now only 60's.
I think things are beginning to happen already and some may have a terrible taste in their mouths as I do.

Saying "this law requires us to do X, Y, and Z" isn't "cheering the law on".

Sheesh.

Maybe I am just more cynical about how such things are treated...

Maybe you should be asking parents to do their job, if a parent leaves an 18 movie in the house and their kid watches it, that's not the fault of the film company.

Snuggles closer. Plucks a bit of lint off her sleeve.

There is a particular puppet show in the UK - a cultural icon - called "Punch and Judy". It's quite perverse, actually. Essentially, it consists of two puppets named Punch and Judy beating the hell out of each other. Go figure. It's a British thing. Anyway, every child watching the show - yes, it's a kids' show - knows there is a puppeteer holding the strings of the puppets.

When those kids get older, they trot down to the Globe Theatre and watch "Hamlet". In it, out anti-hero hatches a clever plot to stage a play replicating the murder of his father by his uncle. During the 'play' (a play within a play), the uncle recognizes the reproduction of 'reality' via artistic means and becomes rather upset. The teenagers watching the play understand that they are watching a play (with actors) with actors pretending to be actors to stage a play within a play.

When the teenagers get older, they watch a film (based on a play) called "Rosencrantz & Gildenstern are Dead". The film takes two minor characters from "Hamlet" and puts them into the play called "Hamlet". Their mission is to figure out who they are before they are killed (they are killed in "Hamlet". In the film, there is a scene where Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are invited to watch the play within a play that Hamlet stages. It is a stunning example of boxes within boxes within boxes.

Everyone understands the difference between art and reality and the interplay between them. It is what makes human beings rather special. Therefore, seeking to obfuscate the issue is rather...tedious.

Snaps up a dark chocolate, refreshes the screen.

No, its not, but if it was practical to put age verification on the DVD's there would be a lobby out there pushing for it being manditory.

it's school holidays in a lot of the world.. numbers always drop. When the northern summer comes, it will be the same.. except we won't really notice it as the kids come in...

which brings us straight back to the point of this

If we subtract the traffic-bots, then it's maybe only 50000.

Yesterday I started to paint the map a bit more yellow with some last smaller freckles and in January I gave a nice 65536sqm square to the map (meanwhile sold, but still yellow, a landbaron took it, hahaha) I searched then a waterfront but since that desaster...I lost interest - maybe I find my old archer house somewhere in the inv...for a last 512 tier-fee-free.

But in Europe is near easter kind of holiday season, in front and short after eastern. This is maybe a reason. People traveling much in these times, making visits to their relatives or a last ski tour in the alps - and so on.

And we have recession.

All that.

Actually I like the yellow map. Could be more. Maybe anyone makes all property yellow, at a price like 9999999999 per lot, sim, whatever... or so..., just to have the continents parts of the map complete yellow.

No one will buy that, but it is a nice statement, optical.

Ah, and giving the continents a new design: desert.

All things back into the inv. Clean up.

Then the so called Lindens have something about they can scratch their smart heads, while self-evaluating in Rom-mode and afterwards they can walk around alone on their dumb Ursula creation. 250-300 empty sims and 3 prim- and biz-wiped continents. Lol.

Would be fun. Really.

sounds painful.. should we invite him to join the kinky community?

/me smiles at the gesture.

never liked punch and judy, even when I was little I thought it was too violent..

I saw the RSC Hamlet last year, unfortunately it was during the period David T was off with his bad back.. I've seen better, but the set for the play within the play was fabulous.. I started counting prims and working out how I would build it in here lol
which is why we all have a different perspective.

possibly, but that doesn't mean you're not affected by it.

/me hides the pralines

Maybe he should have to audition.