Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Now they have Rom work (whatever that esoteric biz slang means), said Blondin. They are breeding now on another good idea, wich they can offer then next year, same time...

As far as we know them, it is good possible, that they announce then to build a kids parliament on mainland wich votes then for the first 13 years old president of the United Continents of Second Life in company with his 12 years old first lady. Mainland is then themed with towns and villages, with 6 years old majors.

If that happens, we can go hang ourselfs at the gallows on the last medieval market place on the last adult sim.

Based on what we've heard (edit: about AR handling) in the past, anything borderline will be a judgement call on the Linden that's looking at you. Some may see nothing wrong at all, some may think you're borderline but let it slide, some may issue an official warning throw you off the grid for a while..

personally, i'm not going to take this lying down in any position. the basic fact that we now have to deal with segregation on a adult site is just fucking wrong. i mean if they don't like what they see, they can go somewhere else. and honestly. what about all the grieving that will go on in the pg area's. i mean i seriously doubt i'm the only one who has thought about this. sl has never been a disney sight.

If people see something that they don't like and DO go somewhere else, there's nothing in the current plan from LL that'll prevent them from running into more of the same. They're just moving businesses - somebody's personal perv palace will still be allowed on the mainland..

From what they said in the blog on the server change, it just enables the ability to restrict access based on the new flag, and adds some search filders for Adult flagged land. Paired with the future 1.23 client release, they would then be able to state policy and have people able to act on the policy. The policy itself need not be in the code. The next client apparently will also have a way to volintarily set a lower ratings preference than what your payment status and/or Aristotle ID allows, so the PG prudes can avoid wandering into Mature sims on the Mainland.

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My guess would be that if you are hopping through sims and parcels at random, you'd be safest to be entirely PG in appearance, lest you get unsat over someone's PG Playhouse and scare the kiddies with your "nasty" outfit.
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problem here I think is that LL don't want SL to be an adult site anymore. The gambling ban was a case in point, had they wanted to continue down the freewheeling road they would have gone offshore at that point.

They've spent a lot of time down the last year trying to become respectable. They've tried to attract business and education and a slew of things and yet the bottom line is that SL is still known for its sleaze out there in the world.

I like the way they blame us for driving away their business - everyone hates sleaze it seems. Just for once I'd appreciate them being honest and saying not only is the platform too unstable for business but there's nothing really here to attract them. 3d conference calls has a limited appeal lol

on top of any political considerations, the reputational clean up will be one of the business drivers for this.

I don't think it CAN be in the code. One of the many problems with this stuff is that it's too subjective and relies on different people making consistant decisions..

They've certainly had no problems taking our money so we can have our sleeze thus far. And when the next shoe drops and they say ALL of SL is a No-Sex zone, you can kiss us all goodbye. Even if we don't go to these clubs or use our beds often, it was sold to us as "your world, your imagination." And the more they make the grid into a kiddie park, the less reason the adults have to stay. And the other business LL wishes to chase won't give a hoot if we are here or not - SL has very limited business application and is too unstable to use as a business tool of any kind.

I wouldn't bet the pre fab house on that. They've backtracked and doubletalked so much already, who knows what they will say next. Even on dress, enough prudes who hate belly shirts get together and start AR'ing and more and more content will wind up in Pornsylvania. I think eventually at best case SL will be sharply divided into grids where only the squeaky clean will be allowed, and one for anything remotely adult. At worse case it will be all squeaky clean and nothing else.

substitute sleaze for opensims and you'll see far too many parallels.

just as they ploughed ahead with that, they'll do this. But they always make sure there is just enough leeway to keep us here. The next stage of this has to be the full age verification for anyone to enter the adult continent. For the moment we can be lulled by having account verification but eventually they will impose age verification.

I'll lay bets that will be the final action before the full merge of the teen/main grids. 12 months max.

To both yourself and Argent, keep in mind that I am also in favour of the concept of simply age verifying everything (which would not require anyone to move), and agree that if moves are required, to say that LL is offering inadequate support is a vast understatement.

In short, I feel that you are being put out more than you need to be or should be. My position is that age verification should be put in, not that their means or methods of doing so are good.

Any ideas for creative effective mass resistance anyone? (Beside leaving?)

Since they're only listen to numbers, and only to numbers, it should have something to do with numbers.

We could do them some bad numbers months, if coordinated, without leaving, without doing illegal things, but creative things. To hit their numbers-nerve.

Or just doing nothing?

In case there would be a small rest of dignity in us, we could start to sample ideas...

There is so much brain here, or not?

Because: analyzed is all so far. They are bad, all is wrong, etc. - but: what to do?

What is our to do list/roadmap?

They have one.

We not...

Well you sure have a funny way of saying it....Work on it!!!!

I take it you have been following the proceedings directly? If I understand the intent as being to ensure that only persons over age 18 are participating, why would that be to protect the viewer (which is what I take it from your arguement)? Why would the actor's age matter? Isn't the point of confirming the performer's age to prevent kids from performing acts they really are not considered sufficiently mature to consent to?

In which case, why does it matter if the resulting images are real or virtual? Why is a child not considered mature enough to mastribate for an audience except if they are doing so as pixels, regardless of what age they appear to be? If they are before a camera and the images broadcast or otherwise reproduced elsewhere, isn't there just as little contact as if their same actions are presented elsewhere via an avatar?

Sorry.. I try to make that clear, but people seem more intent on attacking (or to be fair, counter-attacking) my support of age verification than listening to anything I say against aspects of the situation.

Tierdown,go basic, stop giving LL any money. That's about it. It's not too practical if you have a business, but there isn't much else you can do

Some, but I think also it appeared you were unsympathetic to people's anger and feeling of betrayal over how this is all going down. It came across as a "shut up and suck it up stance " to some I'm sure, especially from a relative newcomer to SL. Looking at so many new names in this forum with such old join dates, these are people who have been inworld a long time, building businesses and whatnot. I've been to some of them in recent days for the first time based upon seeing them here, some are impressive. I don't blame them for being angry.

An in-world message I received about this contained the wonderfully twisted phrase "Gorean Flower Children".

Is the world ready for "Merry Pranksters of Gor"? Or a Gorean version of "On the Road"? Gorean Woodstock?

This message is hidden because Alexander Harbrough is on your ignore list.

No, that's Linden Labs argument (it's there for the viewer's experience). Your argument is that this law (which is about protecting the actor) is why they're doing it.

We're not the ones you need to convince, you see. It's Linden Labs.

Are there hippies in Gor?

O.O

They've finally snapped under the pressure??

Madame realist is my job and you can't have it Alexander.

LL have screwed me over and fucked me around too many times down the years for me to be anything but clear eyed about this.

We all have an attachment to varying degrees to our homes and businesses and playspots but you can't be dewey eyed anymore about the people who run it.

They don't just don't care about any emotional attachments any of you have to this life of ours. The almost constant sense of betrayal felt towards LL as a result of their actions is just not healthy for any of us.

I've never come across a company so universally despised by its core user base. You realise that we're now at the stage that anyone who says anything remotely optimistic about LL is dismissed with the "well, you are new, you'll learn". Not just here but on every forum I go to.

There is no security here, only uncertainty. LL will not provide any information on their long term business strategy, so we can't plan and are completely at their mercy. Every day becomes one where something else may be dropped on us.

None of you may not want to hear this, but you have to start letting go of the bonds that tie you to the platform. LL already have.

Have heard *cite is now exploring the market for orchids, bananas, cameltoes and: cherry pits.