Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Bambi - there is a Mentor's community sponsored by LL in world. The problem is they have basically done the same thing to it as they are doing to 'adults'. There is no incentive for someone to make an effort to be a mentor. To become a mentor took months of hoop jumping, and once you became one... well you get a tag and you can go to help islands, that's about it. There are no feedback sessions with LL where mentors can discuss with them issues that are ongoing. Mentors get no heads up or the ability to give feedback on changes LL makes that directly affect them, (when LL dumped Orientation Islands and started shuttling newbies directly to Help Islands). The Mentoring chat in groups are pretty much ignored by LL, well unless someone posts something offtopic in it, then a Linden will come screaming to stop using chat inappropriately. But if someone asks a hard question regarding something happening on a Help Island... crickets.

LL stopped accepting applications for Mentors several months ago, so it looks like it's another dying area of SL.

On this point, my original infohub was in a French speaking area. I can only assume I was put there because I currently live in Canada. I can't work out whether it was just an odd coincidence or LL thinks that everyone in Canada speaks French (1 out of 10 provinces just incase you were wondering LL) so after wandering around, not having a clue where to go next with all the signage being in a foreign language, I can honestly say it wasn't the best newbie experience.

On the subject of adult content, I am trying to keep up with what is happening but it seems really not that much is very clear. LL want to move all adult content to a new continent but have not yet clarified what is adult content. I'm sure there is a reason for being duly vague, it doesn't enable those of us who have concerns to form any kind of well thought out response until its too late to make a difference. My main concern is that any form of segregation is the thin end of the wedge, what 'concerned' group of residents will step forward next when this precedent has already been set?

There are many valid ideas that have already been put forward as counter-suggestions to the current plan so I don't feel the need to reiterate or add my own. I can only hope that LL are listening and taking notes and that they realise how much free advice they are getting from a lot of intelligent people who in any other situation they would have to pay a huge consultancy fee to for their time effort and thoughts on the subject.

Personally, I don't like equating porn with maturity or adulthood. If you are coarse enough to be involved in the porn industry, call it what it is. Mature adults are first and foremost responsible for their own actions.

I want Naughty Linden's bear!

I have a BDSM bear from one of the lindens

No, if it were, the Platform would remain empty.

I think this upcoming move by the Lindens to Classify, Censor, Restrict SL is yet another major punch in the gut to the SL experience and will further frustrate the larger population of Residents (just like their Open Space policy flip-flop cause so much hassle to so many residents).

The ramifications to this move on LL's part will reduce the experience of the current SL world for many reasons:

- Introduces LL controlled censorship of what is or is not considered Adult content. I heard rumors that LL might consider Furies and other non-human Avi's as Adult content. So even if at the moment this is only a rumor, what happens if the LL's take it among themselves to designate these avi's as Adult content? If you are an Avi in that category... will you be banned/restricted from movement throughout the SL grid? IF you are a merchant that sells this or other Adult censored items will you have to split up your store to another store that can now only exist in "Adult Quarantined" areas of the grid. Added parcel costs... lower traffic.. increased advertising costs and effort.

- Age Verification. How will they handle this for free accounts that do not wish to give LL access / information to their financial information. What real proof is a Credit Card that a resident is an adult (a teen with daddy's CC). Will they use more legitimate and trustworthy services on the Internet that validate your age? And again, why do we need proof of age on an Adult grid that is already suppose to ONLY HAVE ADULTS ON IT! Tells me that LL's isnt doing a good job in the the first place to keeping teens out of the adult grid. Why do adults on an adult grid need to prove that they are an adult!???

- What happens if you and your close friends want to visit a club or land that is ADULT quarantined and some of your friends are not age verified?

- The whole logistics of maintaining categories for content classification. And where will it stop? So if something is ADULT... when will LL decide that in order to defend our fragile minds, that they must further categorize Adult content to: light nudity, Straight Sexual oriented content, Gay, Kinky/BDSM, Gorian, etc.

This whole move to catagorize and restrict and censor within the Adult SL grid which is suppose to be filtering all residents to being ADULTS, seems to be a pre-cursor move on LL's part to setup the grid to get it ready for a possible future merge of the teen and adult grids (likely reason to save costs by not having to operate two grids of infrastructure and management). I dont want to see that! And from all I read, the Teen grid has less than a 1000 residents. So all this to merge this tiny population of residents?

IF SL is suppose to mimic many aspects of RL world... then where do you see walls / borders put up in RL to restrict citizens of a city from driving by a strip club or a seedy part of town or lingerie store? In RL, where do you see that the YELLOW PAGES have sections that you are not allowed to see because the listing may be "adult"? What parts of the RL can you all think of in the present and past history of the world where the powers that be erected walls around certain types of citizens?

This is SENSORSHIP - THIS IS WRONG. I am starting to wonder if some of the RL Ultra Conservative Right Wing political spectrum beliefs are creeping into the management of LL.

We are all suppose to be adults on the ADULT SL Grid. What is the reason for LL believing they must protect sensitive Adult minds from some aspects of SL that may not be considered acceptable content to the Sunday School fraction of the SL Residents.

I think the SL Residents should be pretty darn upset about what LL is trying to do here and they should be making their opinions known to LL very loudly.

Past experience has shown that LL will likely not listen to their residents and will push on with this initiative unless it clear shows that it will threaten the future of SL, but at least we residents didnt stand around passively and let this sensorship happen.

Toysoldier Thor

OK, RL intervened after I posted this in the now-closed prior forum. I did read subsequent posts this evening and never saw an answer to this one, so I'll re-submit my question...

In some of the clubs I DJ, they do an occasional clothing-optional event. At one of 'em, clothing is the norm, but is always optional...if the spirit moves you to doff the duds, go for it. None of the ones I work allow actual sexual activity or have escorts. So, where in the Balkanization of SL would this fall? Relegated to Porntopia?

If it's not remanded to the Fleshpot Continent perchance, does this impact the content we're allowed to stream? Am I as a DJ looking at an AR being filed if someone requests a sexy song like Jose Nunez's "Bilingual" or, well, pretty much most of Nickelback's stuff?

Furthermore, are the hosts gonna have to start playing hall monitor during events to make sure no one says anything that might possibly be construed as too naughty and get the owner a sudden forced move? Folks like to come to clubs and blow off steam, be silly, be flirty, whatever. Are we all gonna have to start looking over our shoulders now? Or, as I mentioned in my earlier post, are we simply going to have to resign ourselves to hosting tea parties to a playlist that basically consists of "Debbie Gibson's Greatest Hits?"

This is gonna open up a nasty can of worms all of 'em colored in various shades of grey, and LL's gonna have to vastly increase the staff handling AR's, b/c I can easily see grid-wide witch-hunts getting kicked off on a scale that'd make McCarthy smile. Or Edwin Meese. Though I hate to admit it, I"m old enough to remember the Reagan-era war on obscenity and the flap over the Mappelthorpe exhibit. And the way it subsequently imploded over the inability to generate consensus on acceptable levels of naughtiness even in ONE culture and one country. As much as America is prided as being a melting pot, SL is far more pluralistic in nature.


And @ Da5id, the Pratchett rule refers to cassettes left in a car for more than a fortnight. No tellin' what happens in an external hard drive *grins wickedly*

I suspect it involves Avenue Q's "The Internet Is For Porn"

That statement above is what scares me. I do NOT want Linden Labs thinking they need to make my experience appropriately safe and controlled. I am responsible for myself. That includes making myself safe. I don't need to be controlled. I am an Adult, thank you.

Why not use "MA" like the RL rating systems for TV, video games and movies? "PA" is usually used to refer to a "public announcement".


On another point, I would likely be a bit upset if my beachfront home, which I paid more than average for the view, the neighborhood and the beach itself, were swapped for anything other than something of equal aesthetic and scenic value, unless a full purchase price refund were given to balance it out. This could likely happen simply because of the bath house features at my beach home. It's not just any beach, either, it is one half of a sort of land bridge which affords the shape of a nice cove, not able to simply be replaced by a common straight-line beachfront.

I am legally an adult now (21) and I still need to verify myself to continue using SL thought I don't have any jobs and VISA. This is kinda hard for us jobless people.

I am doing a lot for improvementing of Second Life and did a lot of work for SL in last almost 3 years (i.e. created first complete translation of SL viewer to the Czech language in April 2007 or did first generaly usable SAPI voice interface for Second Life yet in November 2006).

I would like to help SL users one more time by proposing solution, solving a lot of complex problems in SL, when we are discussing changes in the viewer and things which might open source volunteers help to solve.

THERE ARE NOW 3 BIG AND VERY IMPORTANT PROBLEMS IN SL, which might be solved all by ONE CHEAP AND SIMPLE SOLUTION:

GRAPHICAL and NETWORK TRAFIC LAG
ADULT CONTENT UNWANTED AVAILABILITY TO MINORS (and unnecesary moving of it to new regions),
PRIVACY OF INTIMATE AND OTHER ACTIVITIES IN SL AND PRIVACY OF THE USERS AS SUCH
(and a lot of other things like unability to build more flats over one parcel with separate media channels, etc)

AND HERE IS THE SOLUTION!

THIS PROBLEMS CAN BE ALL SOLVED BY ONE LITTLE, LOGICAL AND CHEAP CHANGE IN THE VIEWER!.

DEFINING OF THE "FROM THE OUTSIDE BLIND BOXES" - INVISIBLE CUBES DEFINING PRIVATE AREAS INSIDE BUILDINGS, SKYBOXES AND DOMES, WHERE IT IS NOT POSIBLE TO SEE FROM THE OUTSIDE, IF YOU ARE NOT INSIDE OF THEM!

(THIS IS A GREAT SOLUTION COMING JUST FROM REAL LIFE - CAUSE IN REAL LIFE WE CAN'T SEE OR HEAR THROUGH THE WALLS OF THE BUILDING OR TO OUR NEIGHBOURS HOMES AND BEDS AS WELL! )

I believe (and a lot of people who understands the problematics agree) better and much cheaper solution then moving adult content to some new regions, might be posibility to define a space (kind of "blindbox" from the outside) in the buildings or covering shields (i.e. opaque domes over the ADULT city parts or sex gardens) or other constructions, where it is not posible to see or hear voice from the outside, even when you will place camera inside the building or covered area. Only avatars in the building would then see and hear what is going on in the private house or club and only adult users would have access to the buildings marked as adult. This might be solved by open source comunity efforts aimed on changes in the Second Life viewer code.

It might lower the lag problems a lot as well by a kind of culling like solution, when you can't see inside of some kind of buildings when you are not inside, so it is not needed to render it to user and graphics and network traffic will go much more smooth. So what you do you think? Might it be a good solution for a lot of problems?

I saw some articles proposing almost the same. And I am even sure this occured to Linden Lab programmers too and they are thinking about this posibility from time to time. There are thousands of all kinds of JIRA suggestions of course, but this problem described in the post is now VERY ACTUAL because of restrictions which are upcoming for adult content to milions of users.

Maybe Linden Lab will now notice this solution for adult content better then at JIRA, where similar propositions are little lost in the amount of all the others (and so it's good this is Philip Linden's blog and not too much posts so far). Sometimes it is not important what do you propose, but where and when. JIRA is much like a museum from Indiana Jones, where all that great things are in crates and nobody ever will come to them and use them. And so millions of user will be affected by adult content new restrictions and we will even still not have privacy in our houses. Very sad.

WE KNOW THAT IT IS NOT FAULT OF LINDEN LAB, BUT A REQUEST OF THE NATIONAL GOVERMENTS (so called big brother ), BUT THEIR REQUEST CAN BE SOLVED IN BETTER WAY!

Getting in depresion from it, frankly said, cause I know that again the solution which is easy to pack to the email and to send to users just in the form of direction: "Move all that millions of your beds to sex islands, cause you are outlawed now - sex is pervert and this world is closing now for adults - sex is not permitted anymore here! Is it something perverse and does not fit in human life even in virtual world? " Reminds me of totality, Orwel's 1984 and similar things.

WHY IS AVAILABILITY OF PRIVACY PROVIDING PRIMS BASED TECHNOLOGY IN SL SO IMPORTANT?

WE DON'T NEED TO PUT INTIMACY OUTLAW AND TO MAKE SOME DETENTION CAMPS FOR ORDINARY PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME!

Are we all intimate and sexualy active people (80% of Earth population ?) some kind of perverts?

It does not matter if in the privacy of our RL homes or in the virtual world - sexuality is normal thing and nobody of us would be born to tell it, if our ancestors would be pretending it does not exists and would be putting intimate people to some kind of detention camps instead of to let them have sex in their privacy at home.

ONLY THING WHAT WE ARE MISSING IN SL IS THE SAME PRIVACY LIKE WE HAVE IN OUR RL HOMES!

Are we sex streets of the RL cities, when we want to have intimate or private moments with somebody? Well - some of people do in real - that realy pervert one's No - frankly said no. Why? Cause we have privacy in our houses in ordinary environment, just hidden from eyes of other people or children.We realy do not need to move our places to parts of the cities, where intimacy is permited, we just have posibility to get privacy at normal places except of that public ones. That is the normal way to protect our childern from exposition to pornography and too early or unwelcomed start of their sexual life, not by pretending that it is something outlawed, for what have to be created special parts of the world

Do we have to live in the world driven by restrictions and even forbidding intimacy and placing it to the edge of the virtual society, instead of using technological solutions to provide and protect one's privacy?

WILL WE HAVE EVERYTHING POSIBLE IN VIRTUAL WORLDS - THIS GREAT NEW DIMENSION OF HUMAN EXISTENCE BUT FREEDOM?

We can't do what does not bother the others and have technical meassures available for such a freedom? That's saaaaaaaaaaaad.....

Well - I spent on improving of Second Life and projects for it almost 3 years yet. It is 10% of my active life till now, if I will be counting from when I was 3 years old (and started to be doing meaningfull things). It means that I spent significant part of my life in SL, sometimes 16h daily - so improtant is SL to me - and so I think this world deserve right evolution without compromises.

I know this solution which I have thinked out independently and describbed here, but a lot of people proposed too at the other places yet before and that Linden Lab team have been thinking about it yet for sure too, can be hard work to provide. But I know in my heart that it is the right solution for this great world and its users.

I am keeping fingers crossed for the open source volunteers comunity and Linden Lab team and I wish Linden Lab managers to be able to do their decissions on the base of their consciousness and on what they know that is right, not what is the most easy.

Best regards

Jarek Dejavu (Jaroslav Penaska in RL) Czech republic, Prague
(I am founder of several Czech and Slovak webportals aimed on SL and virtual worlds, founder of several national Czech and Slovak SL cities and projects, author of the first complete Czech localization of SL (april 2007) and some software extentions of SL (SL Speech Tools SAPI voice interface, Sculpt Speed 3D editor, LSL autocode scripting tool)

Exactly where does that statement say that Linden Labs is making choices about what is appropriate for you?

As you stated yourself, you are an adult, and can decide for yourself what is appropriate. I read Philip's statement as offering the opportunity to make exactly that choice, for everyone ... as opposed to what we have now, where the only people that do actually have a choice, are those that want unlimited pornography on any mature sim.

I do respect your right to be afraid of whatever you want, but if you are an adult, and can prove it ... like you have to do when you buy a bottle of wine, hit a club, rent a car, get a hotel room, etc, etc, etc ... and you have all the choices that you have always had.

I'm still an ADULT, even though my brain's gone squishy from reading the forums daily, and I'm still STRONGLY of the view that forced relocation of any content is the wrong thing to do.

I'll try to keep this post as short as possible, for my sanity, as well as others', therefore.

For the record, IMHO, adult equals mature. Therefore Mature land contains Adult content, behaviour and communications. Period.

(Add here all the rational, mature suggestions/challenges from posters pertaining to choice, teleport, tolerance, mute buttons, etc. etc.)

I can live with the current LL ToS regarding 'adult content' - but I agree with many posters to the forum, who have time and time again challenged your ability and intent to define adult - let alone the myriad of definitions of behaviour, content or communication that spawn from this concept. In my opinion it's futile - the very thing you set out not to do with Second Life will happen.

So, I await, with interest your own list of content, behaviour and communications which you, LL, deem as 'adult'.

I was going to write something about the need to enforce the existing ToS and about sorting problems in search. But, you know what, on second thoughts, I can't be bothered anymore. Your continued insistence to skirt around any sensible challenge to your plans is, well, more than anything... disappointing. And enough, much more articulate people have asked you the questions I would want answered and apart from a few, most of them have been ignored and you've cherry picked the ones you feel comfortable replying to.

Finally then, take a look at your own Second Life Residents' Choice Awards. Great idea - but (if anybody was wondering anymore) seriously, what sort of age group or level of maturity are you targeting when you use language like, 'My favorite cuddly LINDEN BEAR MUSEUM', 'My favorite depressing place to BE EMO', or 'My favorite nom-nom-y PRIM FOOD ARTIST'.

I can cope with some light hearted indulgences in the list - but, that said, you're really unable to be grown-up enough to have a category listed as 'My favourite hotspot to HAVE SEX'? Seriously?

I think this is a clear sign to many of us.

Yours,
Distressed
Angry
And feeling marginalised

P.S. Three questions I'd like to ask - and I'm sure many others would have an interest in knowing.

1. What are the builds already showing on Ursula? I'm sure there's an easy answer, but knowing what they are (e.g. the SIM marked Ursula 80 on map which looks pretty full already) will reduce some Residents' conspiracy theories.

2. Can you give us an exact definition of what you mean by public and private, as per the new policy, please? This becomes horribly complex, if, for example, a 'domestic' build on a parcel in Mature, unadvertised, could ever become considered as 'public' and therefore break the rules (let alone be open to harassing ARs from busy body Residents with a grudge). For example: Mature parcel, five friends enjoying each other to the full limit of the law, un-classified and land not included in Search. Most people need a clear guideline on this.

3. When are you going to inform every Resident inworld about your policy and invite them here, so that you can honestly claim to have informed people?

Linden Lab are now forcing people to move their house if they want intimacy, instead of to provide them privacy for the intimacy where they are and just punish them if they will do it public on an unapropriate place like is it solved in REAL LIFE! My post above is about this. There exists a simple solution, which can be implemented - privacy inside of buildings or under protective domes over gardens or city parts. It is not necessary to force people who want sex toys in their houses to move. When you want sex with your husband or wife in the privacy of your home, do you have to move your house to the sex streets of your city with prostitutes and sexshops? Probably no. No, cause nobody can look directly in your bed or bathroom or hear what you are saying, unless you will open your windows and cryout or show yourself naked in it. Just cause the walls of your flat are not penetrable like in SL!

Is there a simple solution? YES! Definition of a private space by transparent prim inside of the house (one room or whole garden - it is just on the user, where he want to have sexual content, which have to be hidden from the eyes of children or people, who do not want to visit such a place.) All people, chat and sexitems inside will not be then visible to people, who are not inside of the house. When they are not adult, they will be forbidden to enter. If they are not your friends, you will not allow them to enter your house. That is what had to be made in SL years before.

Nobody is forcing you in real live to visit sexshop or to come to look to somebodies bed room and study his porn magazines. It is even forbidden to enter somebodies privacy without permission. And in SL it is posible! You can look by camera to somebodies house! You can enter the sexshop, when you are not adult!

That is that problem! Not that children are not protected from sexual content, but people's privacy or sexual content is not protected in SL from the eyes of anybody who should not be permitted to see it!

Isn't it logical?

I still think it's going to be a massive dilemma particularly for those of us in the middle ground. I've been in SL since 2006; I totally understand that PG means
'keep your clothes on and play nice in chat," and the hard-core sex pits are gonna be in the Red Zone, but this new line between Mature & Adult is still hazy to me.

I know what *I* would consider to be extreme, but my definition is my own, and I won't be the one making the call about how much naughty is Mature and how much is Adult. I remain concerned that we're gonna have a lot of accidental violations unless you make darn sure the level criteria are absolutely and completely unambiguous to everyone regardless of the culture they're coming from (and good luck w/ that ).

I"m gonna encourage all my club owners to hit this thread. To date, most of 'em aren't even aware of it. I only became aware of it b/c I was bored at work a few days ago and I caught a passing reference to the now closed predecessor thread while idly skimming NWN between patients. If you truly value resident input, you COULD put an announcement of some kind in the log-in screen. The prospect of content reclassification for forced relocation is kind of a big deal. We all need to be aware of this one.

Err, one more question. The fact that this has been moved to "Further discussion"--does that mean "vent amongst yourselves" or will there be LL feedback? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but we REALLY need to know what the lay of the land is gonna be. Still don't know if it's gonna apply to my music playlists and guest & staff club chat, or if it will be based entirely on the presence of sex poseballs on the premises.

ok, this is one statement I can agree with, especially when it comes to PG search.

my suggestion: When the mature search box is UNCHECKED (really let's not have to worry about mature searches) have a flag appear when you click through to a listing. Then use that flag like any forum flag, user clicks, inputs why the listing is deemed inappropriate and submits. Investigate immediately... collect X number of reports on any location then investigate so as not to go off chasing ok listings in case you get somebody happy with the report button. Either way, but since search is an interface window that should be a simple functionality implementation. And a lot easier than filing an AR about a place that the searcher might not want to visit based on keywords. (I'm currently on the computer running an alternative viewer so if this functionality is already present forgive me)

Also it's been a while since I've actually hung around a noob spawning place (that place before the welcome areas, the one that has the new tutorial hud to learn how to move) but I don't recall if there is a tutorial, even a mini one, about when why and how to submit an AR. Maybe by including the reasons to submit, when not to submit and how to submit an AR as part of the noob learning process would help especially as this transition takes effect.

To complain is not enough! It is needed to provide better solution which can be implemented! Ok, then try to let the people know and make them talk about with the others, that there exists solution describbed above, which will satisfy anybody - posibility of definition of private space inside of houses or under glass domes. Nobody, who will not be inside, will not see or hear avatars and sextoys inside. And if he is not adult, he will not be able to enter such a space even if will be invited. Thats simplest and best solution. It will even work for skyboxes, cars or airplanes etc! You can take your privacy with yourself everywhere you go! Then the SL will at last be like RL and will not penalty both groups - the intimacy or sex wanting people and the people who dont want to see it or are forbidden to see it (children etc)

Thank you Jarek. I love this idea. This is very much like the old days of private rooms for chat. They were password protected and many people used them, myself included. SL needs to move to this concept, instead of segregation.

I am going to quote all of this post, cuz it warrants re-reading. It was also the point I tried to make when this topic first began. I have lived exactly this scenario, in a different setting, the Open Directory Project. The result of attempting to define "adult" results only in bickering and fighting, from the moment you make the decision to *create* a definition, the fighting will continue until either the idea is scrapped or the place shuts down. Fighting not only among residents, but also staff. Been there, done that, for 5 years, have the scars still. It is ugly. And ultimately not worth it.

But clearly there is an unspoken motive behind all this, and so it goes ahead notwithstanding the overwhelming opposition to it. Doesn't really affect me directly... our business will probably suffer some but at least it, and my home, are on private SIMs. And I managed to get verified too.

But there is NO WAY you are going to manage to successfully define the term "adult" and then apply that consistently all across the grid. LL will need to hire staff that does nothing but check whether stuff is "adult", day in day out, called to decide whether any given shade of gray falls under "black" or "white". I do NOT envy those LL staff members who will be called to do this, simply because I know what it is like.

/me shakes his head in dismay at the folly of this decision...

Assumptions:

1. Search is broken.
2. Some people do not care to see anything involving an adult theme.
3. Underage people are gaining access to and using facilities on the main grid.
4. SL as conceived and implemented is an adult's only service.

Solutions:

1. Fix search. Enforce the ToS already in place so that "Mature" terms being used in non-mature searches are punished.

2. Make the new continent PG. Enact a voluntary move for all residents choosing to go there. Initiate a 1:1 land swap for their current land holdings with no tier incurred on either land during the move.

2a. Separate remaining PG parcels/sims attached to mainland and move them en masse and intact to be part of the new PG continent. Replace relocated sims with Linden protected land with a phased in auction over the next 6 months.

2c. Move all welcome area sims to the PG continent and strictly enforce the rules for PG areas. Require age/payment info verification in order to leave the PG continent for all new accounts.

3. Immediately end free/unverified accounts for the SL main grid.

3a. Conceive/enact a new age verification scheme that not only works, but also isn't invasive of data/information that most people are reluctant to provide online let alone a third party, and that also isn't illegal in some countries. Once such a system is in place, begin a phased in requirement that all accounts, not all ready verified, be verified within a given time period or leave SL. Anyone not verified within such a time frame will be suspended and ultimately deleted if failure to comply persists.

3b. Initiate a program allowing anyone with more than one account IE "Alt's" to register them to their primary account at no cost. Allow age/payment verification for the main account to propagate to all "Alt" accounts registered to that main account.

4. Institute an active and ruthless campaign to identify anyone who is underage on the main grid. Immediately delete the account of said individuals and anyone purposefully harboring them. (I personally have reported 2 sets of such individuals and yet the accounts are still active.)

Declaration:
The forced segregation of any segment or part thereof of any population within SL that has not been determined to have broken any rule is unacceptable. SL is an adult community and as such should be treated as such. People should take responsibility for their own actions and LL should take full responsibility for enforcing any and all rules laid out by them that have until this point been largely ignored.

The distinction between Mature and Adult content is nonsensical and not acceptable as by definition there is no such thing.

I personally vow to not agree, not assent and not comply with any rule or guideline that forces one group of individuals to curtail there business, life or experience or to suborn any of their rights to satisfy another when no law, rule or guideline has been broken. I hereby refuse to assist in defining what is or is not adult as it assumes that something is broken with the types of content that needs to be fixed.

Ultimately SL is a make believe community made of multiple parts and multiple personalities. It is not reality, To begin to treat is as such is ludicrous in and of its self. No violence, sex, death or other component to which one may or may not object, portrayed by Avatars can be remotely considered real.

While Linden Labs maintain that they do not wish to merge the main grid with the Teen grid, should such a desire become reality at any future date, implementing the PG continent now as outlined above would create a ready made environment with minimal further work needed to accomplish the goal.

Finally, with the exception of Linden owned land and Linden protected land, there is no such thing as "in public" in SL as all other land is owned by an individual regardless of the use that they may put it to or authorize it to be used for. As such no one has any right whatsoever to complain about anything seen on anyone's land or anything the owner may be doing with or on that land, provided that no rule, no law, and/or no guideline as iterated by LL has been broken.

If "cleaning up" the grid is what is sought as stated, then this is the only sensible way to do it in my opinion. Allowing the ADULT community to police and segregate its self as it see's fit is the only way to not create a bureaucratic and enforcement nightmare for the employees of Linden Labs.

It creates a ghetto - in the worst sense of the word. With everything that that implies.

Totally agree with the rest of your post, btw.

Hi
My question is will i have to move home when the new adult content rules come in. I live in Bora on the border with Baramdoli and i have some adult content things in my house including bdsm. I don't want to break the rules, but the adult oriented side of SL is really important to my experience here. And it matters to me that i can invite people i meet round my place to share.

At the same time I am starting to make friends with neighbours close to where i live and i would be really upset to have to move. Also i don't particularly want to live in like a "pornville". I jst want to have a home where i can invite friends round and have my privacy.

Will the new content rules affect me do you think? Will i have to start checking if all my friends are adult verified or have signed off some agreement? Will i be held responsible for checking such things about my visitors?

KS

you really believe they are listening to the residents and the comments in the forums?
you are so naive.
the whole thing is an act which was planned months ago and there is nothing you can do about it.

Thank you