Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

6. I've also read, from Blondin Linden, that something like a strip club would be adult. Then there's people quoting Jack Linden saying that it's the really extreme stuff like dismemberment and such. These are two very, very different things and you've left us all wondering where the line actually is.

Nope you have left me for one wondering where the line is.
you cant even make your own minds up.
how have we (being the residents) left you wondering?
same old doublespeak different day.

Blondin, I have 4 alts, two of them are premium accounts and the other 2 are basic and I've never spend a single dollar with them (PIOF, but not PIU), but all 4 use the same credit card information. Will all of them be "verified"? Or I have to spend some money with the 2 basic ones, in order for them to be verified?

The Aristotle joke that you call "verifying age" never worked to me - driver license, ID card, Passport number - all of them where rejected. It seems that their data base for Brazil is broken.

I will watch the land swap with care also. If I have to move, I have beautiful land that is protected on two side with Linden water and offers tributaries, hills, and beach. I own over 1/2 the region currently. I have beautiful sunrises and like other have my mature theme in the air while I live on the ground.

I restrict flying on my land and have security orbs located around the mature theme to keep camera lookers away. They usually hit the orbs and are removed instantly before they ever get near for camera views.

Very well. Let us assume that you are correct, and the first thing a new user sees when they enter SL is all kinds of sex. Months ago I created an alt (female) and went inworld to note a) the difference in how people treat the two sexes, and b) to practice writing from a female POV some to improve my stories. So the "First Hour Experience" with me is still very fresh.

First, the newbie zones are PG only. Always have been. So why is that sex there, and who is responsible for it? It's other people and some griefers that are barraging the new characters with horse parts. I don't see how moving a few businesses off the mainland is going to change that.

Second, the Lindens are not bothering to keep the greeting and Newbies area to their PG rating. They haven't in the past. They are not today. And we are talking about a couple of sims, max. Tell me, how exactly are the people who said that they couldn't maintain the rating in their own parcels going to maintain a rating across the entire mainland?

I stand by my opinion that the only way SL will improve its image is by having all unverified being limited to a new, G rated continent, and that all new characters form there. When someone then chooses to verify, they may go to the rest of the continents. Simple, easy to enforce, and fair. Unlike the current plan which is hopeless and has absolutely no hope of success, even if everyone cooperates and follows the rules to the letter.

On my first day in SL, I was scared my AV was going to be killed and I would be out of the game. My first encounters were with SL soldiers and various war games. No one realized that I did not know they could not actually kill my AV. I played along and met some nice people and had a great time. However, I do remember that new players often do not have a clue. Now, if I get killed unexpectedly, its just an annoyance, I can fight back if I want, and it's no worse than meeting a person on a leash...its all good.

BT

Of course, I know what you mean That's the irony.

"Adults Only" is also another oxymoron term. Aren't we all adults? Isn't the main grid adults only? It is not the teen grid - yet. No teens are allowed. So what does adults only mean?

The only thing I can think of is a zombie. It is not an adult, it is not a child, because it is dead, but alive.

I give up. Nothing makes sense anymore in SL.

I'll be sending in my application tonight. =^-^=

I am like you. I am very attached to the land that I have since I picked it carefully after looking for a long time. I want to go to wherever being and Adult is Ok, but I want the same kind of land that I have...it's a very important aspect. I have no desire to be restricted to PG or to an altered idea of Mature.
BT

Getting punny today?

In case we would agree with all these plans, or just eat fatalistic and enforcedly what is offered on the gourmet-card:

Who will controll the controllers?

Is the menu poisened - or how much is it poisend?

Means: what makes us sure, that there are not tricky, unfair hidden interests at work, with a tricky, not consumer-friendly strategy in background?

And if it would be only a plan to ripp us even more off until we're maybe "not longer needed"?

Presence shows - for example - that all were wrong wich trusted all these "honoric" banksters and their frequently changed and always new renamed products and with always new conditions re-formatted products for decades.

History showed something too... about times, when people created over night new moral and ethics and nationsbuilding ideas, even zonings... and then... in result...

How do we know for sure and without any doubts, that we have it to do with correct people with fair principies wich truely do all possible efforts to provide us further literal enough playground, flexibility and individual freedom for what we want to be here and for what we pay and this for all what was offered when we started to give trust and investements here in?

So, what is our *assurance*, as actual customers, that SL will not become more and more uncomfortble tight or totaly unplayable for us who are used to play it in a specific way, means: basicly not under a kind of "big brother is watching you" status?

Are we - actual players - in danger, to be now a speculation mass wich will be exchanged through another speculation mass in near future or in general?

Based on your recent un provoked attack on me in the previous thread i suggest that you listen closely for the answer.

all you will hear is the silence of the LLambs...

I know - but also silence is a information...

We know then...

It was a joke, a sarcasm of how ridiculous the LL policy is. It was never an attack in any form, means, or way whatsoever. It was used as an illustration how LL marginalize law-abiding citizens who are willing to voluntary their private information, and yet being marginalized by LL"s assumptions of what they stated as "extreme form" of inappropriate activity in SL.

I'm sorry you missed the point, but that is precisely where the problem of these policies. It is subjected to interpretation. As such, your interpretation may very much different from mine, and, in fact, may even be exactly the same as meaning the same except that it is not viewed that way by others.

What I have trouble with is that these are consenting adult activities, so I don't see why LL marginalize them and put them into a category that can be viewed by others as unacceptable. That was my point.

That is why this fiasco is so messy.

I fully understand what you mean, and I am with you, and in fact, I feel empathy for you for being a good citizen to age-verify yourself, but that is the side-effect of the age-verification process by putting unnecessary labels on people who are not what LL labeled them to be.

It is time for you to FIRE Mr. Kingdon. He doesn't comprehend SL, doesn't think highly of his customers, has caused the loss of several key people in the organization, and isn't smart enough to be able to expand SL without destroying everything that you've worked so hard to build. When you want to increase traffic over a river, you build a second bridge. But you don't dynamite the first bridge before you start building the second - M has a history of doing that. His attitude seems to be that he and he alone is right and nobody may question his guidance, even if far superior solutions are available.

I formally claim NO CONFIDENCE in M, and I ask for his termination.

Thank you.

i wholeheartedly agree with this motion, sack him, and get SL back to how it used to be, i used to trust the lindens at one time and i would like to again.

Finally...some more solid information. Thank you, Blondin.

I still disagree with the whole forced relocation idea, and strongly suggest that LL consider the market-based approach instead.

And if you really want to improve the New User Experience, do something about the Welcome Areas!!! As a model, I suggest you go look at what Desmond Shang and Carl Metropolitan have done at the University of Caledon Oxbridge. This fine orientation build has the following features that LL's Help Island/Welcome Area experience does not have:

1. Really informative, and entertaining, information signage.
2. A structured, linear approach. Just follow the arrows to get a complete basic education.
3. GOOD freebies, including a wide variety (within the Victorian theme of Caledon) of starter avatars.
4. Nearly 24/7 live help from volunteers, *with eject and ban authority to expel griefers*.
5. Overall excellent build quality. Impressive, accurate, and with touches of humor and whimsy everywhere.
6. Interesting places to visit within flying/walking distance.
7. Build ability turned on, *with volunteer helpers having ability to Return stray objects*.
8. Two levels of supervision. The volunteer helpers ("professors" are often visited by the Deans, who have the authority to admonish or remove poorly performing professors. The equivalent would be an official orientation area staffed by Mentors or Mentor Greeters, with a Linden coming by every few hours to lend a hand.
9. Not intrinsic to the build, but professors often give out free translators. A translator ought to be a part of the Library equipment, and ought to be a part of every starter avatar. Better yet, build it into the viewer.

They also provide "dorm rooms" as a temporary lodging for newcomers who want them. I'm not sure it's an essential feature, but it's a nice touch.

I second the motion. Philip, please come back. We need you.

I'm also in the no forced relocation camp. I also want to see more flexibility on regions, there are economic implications here that should not be ignored.

Also, please verify my alts, you know who they are as I can't create any more so you should easily be able to link them.

in most places..3
in most "adult" RP sims....120

Perhaps LL could give landowners some sort on incentive to move, to make up for the inconvenience it will cause.

I think I might want what everyone wants. Clear cut guidelines on what is "adult" and has to move, and what is okay to stay. I sell adult animations. I just bought my store land not too long ago, and I DO NOT want to have to move. My store isn't raunchy and people testing out animations are asked to keep their clothes on and bits off when they are testing. Nothing in my store is adult unless some heavy petting and grinding fully clothed on each other is considered adult. *laughs* Which you could see in a PG-13 movie. But I am loathe to move again, or have to be at the mercy of someone who has an adult estate and having to rent off of them. Renting my own Sim is out of the question, because I do not have the time or the resources to buy one.

We want clear cut answers not double talk. We want to know what is going to be allowed and what is not. Why not just take the mature grids and make them adult? It wouldn't take much. You could move them too. Although, that might take a bit. But why put stress and strain on the whole community.

And where is the vote on this? I vote no. And voting on those homestead and openspaces worked... So, why is there no vote on this?

/me votes.


Hm.. You mean something more than "do this or else!"??

I am hoping that if they built a region once, they can build it again.

Question, how busy is Bay City? I rarely see more than a few AV's there at any given time. Why not make it PG. How much adult/mature content is already in the area?

Unless you're running SL in a virtual machine.