Feedback on Ad Farm Post - Part 2

Porn is not PG so is against the new proposal AR the ad on that basis and it will be removed.

Remember though that advertising has not been banned so this person may be a genuine Advertiser, who hasn't read the new rules properly.


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If the operation of a syndicate bypassing the 50 limit is being AR'ed.

Any report must be made to show that the parcel was gifted to this avatar by a user known to have multiple ad locations, far in excess of the 50 limit set by Jack Linden.
Names of any other avatars with the same adverts in different locations would also need to be passed on as proof of an advertising syndicate.
Further details of non PG content and any extortion business will add weight to the case.

If proof of a syndicate can be provided, then the Linden's action on this, will be the first real test of their intent to combat extreme advertising.

The Linden's will be able to confirm easily and quickly that alts and group members are involved in forming a syndicate.

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I would like to see the advert and clocktower, as previously people have made situations worse for most users by blocking with plain mega prim blocks etc.
Something that is just as bad as any advertising, it would be nice to see a good attempt at removing the visual blight of an unwanted advert using false buildings

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Regarding the mention of a free ride, they are paying premium membership for the land which entitles them to use 512sqm plus group bonus if used.
So to only use 400sqm seems strange and if anything a little silly as it actually wastes tier.
The minimum they are paying is a years premium membership and could be paying up to 9usd per month, not exactly a free ride.

http://landtracker.co.cc/mainlandsims/

If anything, it facinated to look at my old ad blight example, Crumbi. It is mostly cleatred up on the surfact, but the page told a somewhat different story of overprices 16m plots. There's still a certain bluish-purple crystal that seems to be infesting the mainland within the sim, as well as teo fo the more prolific "satellite stores," too.

http://landtracker.co.cc/mainlandsims/parcels.php?p=Crumbi

This is exactly my point, advertising was targeted by Linden Labs and the practice of carving up Sims leaving 16sqm holes all over the place, with no purpose but to make money from their sale was ignored.

These parcels held for unscrupulous reasons are what spoils the mainland not advertising, the number of people who actually advertise using microplots is tiny.
They by themselves will cause hardly any impact on the surroundings under the new policy.

The owners of these extortion plots, will hold them to extort any new members who buy land nearby, if sales are not quick enough for them, then a different sort of blight will begin to appear on the small plots, as they begin to induce new sales.

The problems of the mainland have not been solved by Linden Labs they have just been hidden for the moment.

The answer I got is that the Lindens believe the over priced 16m parcels left behind will disappear as a result of "simple economics". (T_T)

The region I'm in is littered with 16m parcels with prices at L$740 on up. Or, even, not for sale even though the description sounds as if it were so. (>_<

Worst of all, there is this one parcel that simply has prims with colored light properties set. I was able to AR the banline around it but "ugly isn't against the TOS". So it's basically untouchable in that aspect. I was chatting with the Linden during the AR response... She honestly wanted to slug the owner, return everything, and hand the parcel over to Governor... But was powerless to do so because of policy. (T_T)

Didn't Jack say that he wouldn't allow them to slip into another mode to harass just to skirt the rules? This parcel was the perfect test (for sale for a high price - now has light emitting prims.

For goodness sakes Jack, why does the owner of the micro parcel need light for?.. oh, it's to harass and your team couldn't do anything about it so it's business as usual.

couldnt the lights be a form of advertising the plot for sale?

I would consider it advertising and LL should do something about it.

It realy soulden't be down to us to play detective here, Linden Labs have the log files and should be able to track the ownership of these plots.



Stop by anytime, it's right next to the bar, you cant miss it. Bit rough and ready atm but it's a proper first attempt not a mega prim effort, which I'll keep working on



Think you miss my point here this new owner owns 400sqm of land scattered over multiple sims all are 16sqm plots. The 512sqm teir free is a bonus for being a priemum member however most people who go down the land owning route quickly find them selves with more than 512sqm and have to pay teir on top of their membership fees. This person ONLY pays membership fees and avoids paying teir altogether by staying below the 512 limit. Where this 400sqm all on one sim and in a single lump I could understand, but as it stands this person and their associates are abusing this bonus. 512sqm is 28 micro parcels of 16sqm, under the current system thats 28 extortion plots they can own before even having to pay more than their membership fees. That to me sounds like a free ride.

Actually this is an interesting point, maybe the free tier should only apply for one plot upto 512M, if you own more than one plot you pay tier.

Lucky me: I have two of those casino crystal infestations, on either side of my parcel in one sim. The spinning sign over them is full-alpha (which must be their loophole), but they're blobby little sculpties set to an intense glow, and continue to report themselves as "Ad Portals" of a certain semi-precious stone. I'm 99% sure there are more than 50 of them on the Mainland, but each one violates other provisions of the policy, so I guess they're not "ad enough" for G-Team.

Ya, I know I've come across a large number, and I wouldn't be surprised if the unit as a whole is bigger than allowed - but the top is just alpha'ed out.

That is a good idea, they could even give away the first 512sqm similar to the first land principle people have mentioned, but on new zoned and landscaped sims without the ability to cut the land.

LL might find they suddenly get a lot of new paying members.

This is just the beginning, a few ads with purple glowing crystals a syndicate starting up to circumvent the 50 ads policy.

These are probably a couple of the genuine advertisers, just wait till the extortionists start putting up brightly colored flashing sculptures and other fascinatingly ugly builds.

Its time to stop thinking about advertising.
Glow is not allowed on adverts under the new policy, if its an advert and it glows AR it.
Advertising syndicates are not allowed.

Start thinking about extortion plots and the measures their owners will take to ensure sales.

This is why I was surprised to not see those crystalized plots go away pretty quickly, Even with their alpha'ed top portion, they still have object descriptions (and they give a LM website or notecard that includes advertising, no?) that are advertising, and they have glow on them.

There are also a LOT more than 50. Here's the relevant page:

http://landtracker.co.cc/mainlandsims/parcels.php?o=b4803516-34ad-7f43-0c3c-2944baf09b33

120 of them are listed under the name used on those plots. Most are 64m or smaller.

This doesn't surprise me considering Jack's laissez faire attitude towards people selling 16m microparcels for 10000$L or more. He seems to believe that the market will somehow force the price of these down. Jack, you're dreaming if you think these greedy little land mongers are going to stop preying on the average SL user who isn't as well versed in the hazards and pitfalls of buying land near one of these extortionists.

Scammers will always find a way of gaming the system, but this is just making it easier for them. Most people currently working land in Concierge are too timid to take any initiative in clearing these extortion parcels. So what do we do then? Pay 37,000$L extortion to clear 64 sqm of remaining ad farm? Seems like Linden Labs is rewarding these "real estate agents" for artificially inflating land prices. I'm sure not going to pay that kind of money and I'm going to AR these damn parcels daily until they do something about them.

Why should they hold onto the stuff if they don't sell and they cannot use them?

It doesnt sound like anyone who needs to run a business would act without taking monthly tier and stagnating merch into account.

Either they're incredibly short sighted and don't know how to count...OR they just get their jollies by being obstructionist jerks and griefers. I'd bet on the latter.

I have yet to see anything constructive, creative, or SL improving come out of any of these "Virtual real estate agents" who's sole reason for being in SL is to make $ by buying and selling land. Seems that just like in real life, people with no creativity or other marketable skills tend to gravitate to being real estate agents. Buying large pacels cheap, dicing them up and reselling them for a profit most likely boosts SL's profit margin, but it does absolutely NOTHING positive for the users of SL.

There are a number of real estate agents out there that are really good. Not all of them chop up land and use it to grief..

Maybe, but ALL of them are basically buying land that you could buy direct from Lindens yourself, then chopping it up and reselling it for a profit. THAT's how you end up with ad farms and overpriced parcels.

There's nothing to stop you buying direct from Linden Lab, there are private islands, auctions and when they relaunch them again full sim auctions. All ways of allowing you to buy direct from Linden Lab, whom by the way sell land for profit.

Yeah, well, maybe I don't want to have to browse 5000+ sims to find the land I want. Maybe I just want to poke somebody like Sarah Nerd and, for a fee, have her fix me up with the perfect parcel. That's what real estate agents do, you bozo.

Because one sale at 4,999 L$ pays for more than 30 years of tier on a 16m. It is that extreme imbalance of tier cost to potential aggravation that enables the extortion racket, even with relatively mild and annoyance and slow response.

It is exacerbated by LL's enforcement of greater rights for the 16m owner than for the neighbouring 512+ owner, let alone rights in proportion to the tier paid (that is that the former can fill up to his border with visually obstructive content while the neighbour is forbidden from doing the same).

Until these equations are changed, it is unlikely that those taking advantage of them will fail to find ways around whatever rules are concocted, and extortion will continue. That is not to say the rules are bad. They can mitigate the worst manifestations, for a while at least.

Geez, will all you real estate agent lovers relax and back off on the personal attacks? I'm stating my OPINION okay? Something I'm still allowed to do here last time I checked. You got an opinion too? Great!, share it, but you lose credibilty when you have to inject anger and insults for no reason.

Er.. You're the one who said _ALL_ real estate agents are land cutters..

I agree, and this has been one of the most frustrating and annoying parts of owning mainland and running businesses that sometimes need to expand. IMHO, any reasonable microparcel owner will be willing to trade, especially if that trade is for a better piece of land with more visibility. By and large, from my experience, a little more than half are willing to trade or just give you a microparcel that isn't for sale and isn't being used for anything.

To me it became extortion, when after offering a trade, the land went on sale for 9999$L and the 'no entry' lines went up. So I filed AR's and eventually Lindens turned off the red lines. Next the owner took the the land off sale and turned the 'no entry' lines back on. So I ARed again and the 'no entry' lines were taken down. So as a *FU!* to me and Governance, the owner set the land for sale again at 19,999$L, turned off; fly, scripts, object entry and build on the parcel. I ARed again, and again, and again. What do I get?
"There's nothing we can do, they're not breaking any rules"
O M G !!! WHAT????
Talk about wearing blinders and looking at your feet. They completely ignore the PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR and take each incident as if it were a "fresh start" for the jerk who now wants 20K for the 16m that's buried in my shop. What LL needs to do is look at the history of ARs on these 'Footman' and 'Twines' and deal with them accordingly. They are parasites and contribute nothing to the community.

Please don't misquote me, that's not what I said and you know it. Did I call anyone specific a name? Did I call anyone a Bozo just to put a period on the paragraph? No I didn't. That's a personal attack and it's uncalled for.