Feedback on Ad Farm Post - Part 2

One possible solution to the land extortion problem (which could be automated) is to allow variances in the sell price, but not steep ones. For the price you bought a particular 16 for, you could go no higher than 1 L/M2 (or whatever number is reasonable) up from what you paid, but down as much as you wanted. That would allow both legitimate real estate people and person-to-person transfers to work, but hopefully eliminate land extortion. Under such a scheme, if they use land to harass and give you a price when you IM them it would be treated as now .... the selling price (under this situation if a reasonable person says it seems out-of-control AR them).

The problem of land being divided and joined does not factor in, as we would look at the prices paid for the individual 16s. Market forces would still work, as the price could go higher than other parcels if it was bought enough times. Meanwhile, if someone priced a parcel too high it would just sit there.

Ohh I used to live near you Phil - over in Juliet. That was one HUGE ad, like a megaprim with fine print text. I should visit just to see it gone.

I suspect they're going through things gradually. I don't think they've done much with Nautilus yet (the continent you're on), because from my tropical property there I see high spinning sale signs everywhere as far as the eye can see.

So many regions so much staff...

I can brag a cameo of Colton Linden on my land in Anilis, where he briefly surveyed the now-former outcropping of adfarms across the tracks before disappearing. His av resembled a grim reaper LOL

This is plain wrong. The land market fluctuates, I've recently purchased 2 x 512 plots for less than L$2000 each in a sim that at one stage commanded prices of L$6000 a 512.

Actually, this would allow fluctuations (reread my proposal). It would disallow land being sold in one transaction for much more than was paid for it though.

One loophole is the use of alts selling back and forth to each other to raise the maximum price of a piece of land. Some type of throttling mechanism would need to be implemented to prevent that.

As we can all see from what has happened with Wall Street lately, the free market does REALLY well when there are no safeguards.

About as far from it as possible. Physics major, Comp Sci MS, my work includes statistical modeling.


As I remarked in my last post, maybe the US market did not need that 700 billion, right?
/me zaps the Luke Alt with Communist Vision.

I have a small shop and a club in mainland i wonder how Linden lab think it will go on?
I have at most 3 ads on my land and how do th Linden lab solve th problems to go on with
th club
Will Linden lab "kill" all small shopowner?
Will thr be a dead mainland just to live on.Im sry for tht
if yo just can ad inside yo club who see it?
If yo not have the resources like groupowned land or not have a lot of money to classified ?
Wht do yo do??
Quit?

So if you buy a parcel for L$0 (which is fairly common, when you use 'sell to a particular person' to transfer land out of a group) you can't sell it for more than L$1/m? Or if you bought a parcel for L$3/m and waited 6 months and sold it for L$10/m because that's what happened to the market? What happens when you join and divide parcels?

I don't see any easy technical solutions that won't cause problems.

It doesn't sound like you're using microparcels so the restrictions should not apply to you.

Unfortunately, what would happen in this case is that the would-be extortionist would ping-pong sell the land between several of his alts (could even do it with bots, to relieve the tedium totally) to raise the price by the increment until he got it to where he wanted it to be.

The only way that idea would work is if some kind of turnaround moratorium could be instituted (like 1 day to a month or so) between the buy and sell parts of the cycle.

You know, I used to have a little spinning flexi thing with a logo on it at my open-air store. I decided to take it down, even though I think the store location is exempt; I realized I just didn't need (nor want) to be so garish anymore, now that the huge ugly ads are gone. But again, I don't think the rules really apply to ads you have at a real store / club location.

But I'm puzzled by "resources like groupowned land" and "a lot of money to classified."

Group-owned land is not very resource intensive at all--in fact, it's a way of getting a little more land for the same amount of tier. It does require a one-time L$100 fee to create the group, and (preferably) an alt to be co-owner of the group, but otherwise... not sure what you mean. Depending on the situation, deeding land to such a group can be a small win, but I can't think of any circumstances where it's relevant to advertising.

As for classifieds: yeah, that's certainly a kind of advertising, but if you didn't need it before, losing a couple of signs (if it even comes to that) isn't going to make you need it now. There's just no way that even hundreds of signs can begin to compare with effective use of the Search tools for advertising. A minimal (and I do mean minimal) Classified can help, too, but buying costly classifieds is just a completely different marketing strategy, really only applicable to huge mass-market products and venues.

The point is there are all these other Search optimizing techniques that can make so much more difference than a network of signs, and at no cost whatsoever. (If not familiar with these, see http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/03/26/tips-to-improve-your-search-ranking/ for a general overview, and /327/b1/252152/1.html for some early discussion of detailed techniques.) Unless you're sure you've really tweaked those (devised the best possible parcel name and description, gotten all your friends to populate their Profile Picks, etc.), any time spent on display ads is really all but wasted by comparison.

Right, your selling price for a particular 16 m2 would be dependent on what you paid for it. If you join/divide a parcel the new selling price is for each 16 m2.

Say you buy a 2048 m2 lot for 3 L/m2. You also buy another 2048 m2 for 5 L/m2. Later, you sell a 1024 that is 768 m2 of the first lot and 256 m2 from the second lot ..... the max price of the new parcel would be 4096 L.

Implementation-wise, it could be setup to not count 0$ transactions and/or transferring out of a group. The details of it obviously can be tweaked .... the idea is to have an automated algorithm for determining the price of a parcel that avoids extortion without having to use a fixed price cap.

Yes, a loophole I was thinking of and debating what would be the best solution. A time moratorium may or may not be the best solution but it would slow things down.

LOL have you ever found one of your kinds as a CEO of something??? You people are just number crushers without any aptitude to understand the numbers you process LOL

You are just the ugly glasses and ponytail version of the bees and flowers syndrome LOL

The market regulates itself, what happened in Wall Street is normal and no one should have intervened, it will be worse, it will take longer to adjust, take care number crushers usually loose their jobs in those market conditions LOL

I don't know any Luke, I'm a Kurfürst (do you speak German? NO? Use Google to translate) but if that Luke said the same, he's wise.

Every time frustrated little people is allowed to "regulate" something, they asphyxiate it LOL

I politely, ask again, are you a Communist?

If yes, look at China; they started to grow up to world domination as soon as they loose their Communist vices LOL

If you think you are not, then limit yourself to your number crushing or study Economics.

The Market has a life of its own; it’s a living thing! A powerful being, don’t mess with it, it may hurt you.

No "LOL" ?

You Sir are a troll

I want to learn to crush numbers, Kara. Can you teach me?

The market will soon be a "dead" thing, if it is allowed to continue to be corrupted by these kinds of anarcho-capitalist criminals.

So you sit there watching the parcels around you sell for 10240 but you can't sell yours for more than 4096? So you get your alt and sell it across a few times to drive the price up... and of course the landcutters do the same.

MAYBE if you limited this to small parcels, I don't know, it sounds iffy.

As soon as I figure out how ..... they must make some neat sounds when you stomp on them.

LOL

Essentially it was germ for a discussion. Can you design an algorithm for selling that would be impartial, allow for fluctuations (the market and relative value of the location), but not be able to be gamed? Should it be server-side coded or done via TOS/AR?

I certainly hope that algorithm would not be implemented since I wrote it up while just becoming awake for the day! What would a workable one look like though?

You Sir must learn lots of other things too LOL

I don't know what you understand by anarcho-capitalist criminals but it sounds like something a Communist could say LOL

Just out of curiosity, I don't own land in SL, I haven't found a use to it yet.

Not owning land puts me in a position of total independence; I'm not an interested part.

This exchange of ideas is just a matter of principle to me; I couldn't care less with the practical results LOL

SL to me is just a place meet friends I make my money elsewhere

Evidence that a good night of sleep is fundamental and that no one should work before several mugs of hot java

If they are primarily interested in profit, then it would seem odd that they wouldn't accept reasonable offers that give them 4-5x the purchase price of the microparcel and instead demand L$7000 for a plot. After all, that 5x would let them buy 5 more plots to continue the scheme.

Unless the take-up rate of these "offers" is so low that they don't expect one in ten or one in twenty to sell, so they have to make a hundred times the price on the ones that do.

Which implies to me that if price limits were the solution, then limiting the price for parcels below a certain size to 4x or 5x the market rate would keep the scheme from ever becoming profitable.

If they're interested in profit, that is.

I am always learning new things. I won't ever stop learning until I am dead. How about you?

As an example as something you can learn, "LOL" is not a form of punctuation.



Hey, at least that puts me in good company! In many ways, I would LOVE to live in a perfect Communist society as opposed to an inferior Capitalist one where you can screw over your neighbors for a buck.



Well, how about exchanging ideas instead of pretending like they are all a big joke? [LOL]