Feedback on Ad Farm Post - Part 2

No argument. LL is in the business of (one way or another) extracting rents from crowdsourced content. Without a crowd sourcing that content and another (not disjoint) population of consumers, they're dead meat. Hence, LL's interests are inextricably entwined with those of both populations, and the service they provide has to at least satisfy both.

(But incidentally, I don't see much interest by private Estates to fill a niche with fewer rules than Mainland. If we trust the "market" we should conclude that LL's policies are suboptimal, under-regulating its estate. But arguing market economics about a tiny online "game" is somebody else's tack, not mine.)
Hmmm... I wonder if you're just dealing with a higher class of sleazeball. Around me, I see three orders of magnitude variance in microparcel prices. At this point, none of it sells because the least outrageous prices sit right next to the most outrageous, so nobody can make anything useful out of the mess without paying more than the whole damned sim is worth. But the fact that there are numbers of these things set for sale at about 5 times market suggests to me that those sellers think they're making a profit that way. I also suspect they'd make a lot more sales if all the parcels were capped at that level, because that would remove the huge disincentive posed by the 500 times market parcels scattered among them.

Is there an equivalent of Godwin for people who throw communism into a thread?

Uma's post was largely well presented, although I have seen her adverts on the land of a well known land dealer and they weren't 12M high. Personally I didn't think there was anything unsightly about that sort of advertising.

The point however is that the majority of ad farms weren't actually advertising anything, the genuine advertisers are in the minority and really, even now it's an issue of location location location. Why just put an ad in the middle of nowhere? It makes no sense.

Exactly the point adfarms were not set up to advertise and should never have been called adfarms they always were micro parcel farms, that's why they were never placed logically.

The adverts were the harassment tools, mostly fake with a few genuine advertisers using parcels in some areas.
The genuine advertisers were unwittingly providing the cover for the perpetrators of the scheme and most likely got stung for the parcels they used just as much as the rest of us.

Only a Nazi would try to equate Communism with the Holocaust.

PS:

As someone whose parents survived the holocaust, I take offense of your flippantly referring to PLAYERS as Nazis short of an actual WWII role play. And with a smileface yet.

Please retract your statement with an apology promptly.

Any of you who fling around terms into an asinine and off topic discussion without knowing the significance of them and the true nature of their impact just to look clever ought to all be ashamed of themselves.

Internetz are Serious Business.

yes is was just ask the then IBM (germany).


But anyway lets let the Nazi's lay in their well diserved graves (i don't think that htere are many if any Real Live Nazi's currently living just Joiks being rude calling themselves Nazis

Don't forget the 2 million Russian soldiers who died in WW II as well.

This should conclude the communist and Godwin factor, I hope.

Now let's get back on topic!

Apologies, and deleted.

Thank you.

I wrote some notice earlier -sry havent been able to log in-
I talked about small owners that are influenced by the new "rules.
I complained about small owners that lost a lot with ths new determinete.
I had one ad not rotating ,no flash just for ad lm.
3 days ago it was gone no message no warning nothing...
Really feel like i have no raison détre to have any sort of busniss in sl.
I have been fighting against adfarmers and when i at least get some "peace " Linden lab going on .
I havent been on th land for 2 days.Its getting me feel depressed .I am honestly thinking of quit this game.
This determinete get some bad backslash
Hunt adfarmers not small owners

it propably was more then 8 meter high or not attached to the ground, alternative you where in a sim with lots of ads violating the rules and they simply cleared all ads because it's easier then checking every ad to see if it folows the rules, just put it back and make sure it is less then 8 meter high and connected to the ground. there is also a suport ticket type special for this.

Just a quick recap on the advert guidelines for those who don't want to read the book:

* Adverts should be grounded to the terrain, not floating.
* Adverts should extend no higher than 8m from the ground.
* No rotating, no flashing content and no particles.
* No unsolicited dispensing of IMs, notecards, landmarks or content.
* No light sources or glow (full bright is acceptable however).
* Advertising hoardings should be Phantom.
* Adverts must be clearly PG in nature.
* No sound and no temp-on-rez content.
* Ban lines should be switched off.

Source is straight from the original blog: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/09/12/more-information-on-ad-farms-network-advertisers/

With refrence to Uma's post earlier.

She's already transfered the ad plot on my sim (Polkadot) to another avi (real or alt who knows ?) to bypass the 50 ad limit ( which in itself is ar'able afaik), and replaced the ad tower with another albeit only 10meters instead of the 20meter that was there before, on a "raised" section of land. As this ad plot is listed in about land as "TPG PC Adspace #177" I doubt that we have seen the end of this problem.

I did offer to purchase the plot for a fair price last week, but never even got a reply *shrugs*, so dispite her claims of fairness and responsibility, with the reapearance of her ad tower, all I can say is that she has blown all credability with me and rendered her entire argument void.

So... IM'd, AR'd and will be fenced off with a nice clocktower asap if it returns ! (I own 7 of the 8 surounding parcles btw, the 8th being a protected corner on the road) so have every right to do so.
It's just a shame that Linden labs didn't stick to their guns and get rid of them altogether as the overwhelming majority of their paying customers wanted. I hope that linden labs will deal with this kind of synical side-stepping of the new rules as Jack promised in his posts, otherwise we will still be talking about this problem when I have my 5th Rezday.

It would really be playing with fire to try to use an alt to get around a rule. That is very easy for LL to detect, and the result would be permanent account termination, no questions asked. As well it should be.

It would be usefull to track the change in ownership of parcels too, as my suspicion is that the "New" owner is one of her multitude of employees she was so vocal about. If this kind of behaviour is acceptable then we will see the ad farms returning b4 the dust has even settled.

Try using a land search website that was listed on the previous thread it was very usefull and should identify who is the owner and how many other small plots they own.
I will look for the address.

Perhaps the land has been exchanged to another user though, it is possible that they haven't bothered to change the plot name.
It would seem whoever placed the advert, is at least using the land for the genuine purpose of advertising and has also put it on the roadside where it may be seen.

The land should not be raised and the sign should be no higher than 8m though.

Jack if you do ever drop in to read any replies here.

This situation already shows the problems are begining to occur again, and no non advert builds have seemingly shown up to harass people yet on the thousands of microplots littered over the mainland to my knowledge.
Banlines are still often found though on microplots, I reported two last night after bumping into them.

Same changes with the one near me, but she still owns it. Obviously an extortion plot too, as the only place near it you can get an unblocked view of a full side is from a parcel with ban lines. No protected roadside or anything.

1500!

Address for site is http://landtracker.co.cc/mainlandsims/

Plots held by the owner of the parcel in polkadot named TPG PC Adspace #177 is 18 plots amounting to a total of 400sqm all land is set not for sale so most likely being used for genuine advertising, not extortion.

Hope that helps

If it has a price and an advert then AR it as an extortion plot to have anything on an extortion plot is still against TOS from march's first rule change isn't it?

Put in the detail of the AR feelings of alt usage by the user as the Lindens should have that information easily at hand.
Pass information of AR to Jack Linden in the hope it gets investigated properly.

Jack did not say that any previous rules were negated by this new rule set, so:

If it has an ad on it and is for sale, then it violates the rules set forth by LL.

What makes you think having it not set for sale implies it's not being used for extortion. After people got the go-ahead to report outrageously priced lots they switched from setting them for sale to waiting for people to ask and offering to sell it for the same outrageous price...

Not realy what I was thinking, I was thinking more along the lines of who owned it b4, as the current listed owner is obviously associated with the previous owner as the new ad tower is for the same place as the old ad tower. My point was that she has passed off this plot to avoid being ar'd for having more than 50 ad plots in her name. What seems to be happening here is that she is passing off previously owned plots to others she is aquanted with who are hosting her ad's. Both her and the new owner are running some form of syndicate to perpetuate her ad tower empire.
Dispite her protestations in her post she is an ad farmer, and this demonstrates the futility of trying to accommodate these people. They will bend the rules to continue with their practices. The only soultion is to restrict in world advertising to the plot the buisness is situated on, and the search function.

I wouldn't go that far. There's all kinds of ways to advertise in-world that can't be abused by these griefers. If a club owner sells ad space in their club, or a mall sells ad-space in unused stalls, or a sandbox sells ad-space in billboards around the sandbox, there's nothing wrong with that.

I have no problem with people advertising per say, my big problem is that I shoulden't have to look at it unless I am on the plot concerned. If the ads are indoors, or on a screened sandbox fine, np, I am not being forced to view them and they are not detracting from the theme of my own builds on my own land. However in this instance, it is a soft porn ad tower being run by a syndicate to bypass the new rules. That in and ofitself is a perma-banable offence afaik, and I hope that they are made an example of. Otherwise we will be back to the same situation by the end of the month. I have now solved the visual aspect of the problem myself, I have erected a clocktower on my land that covers this eyesore compleatly. You are all welcome to come have a look and if anybody is in the same situation I will be more than happy to provide them free of charge a copy of my clocktower.

On a side note in refrence to the earlier response about the new owner of this plot owning 400sqm, that means that apart from paying their premium membership fees, they are getting a free ride as they pay no teir on the ad land they have under their name. If LL have records of land transactions, I would love to see how many of her plots are now owned by people who don't pay teir.