Feedback on Ad Farm Post - Part 2

Checkerboarding is just super doughnut hole. In fact, it reminds me of a box of those Kremes squooshed together, with some filled and some not...

Another after shot:

Yes it would be nice to have clear guidelines as to what LL consider is a violation, but would also help the weasels causing all the problems keep one step ahead, this I why I endorsed the move by Jack to work under the umbrella of estate management originally.

Unfortunately the Lindens seem happy to stop their management at superficially repairing the problems of visual blight, without tackling the underlying problem.

You can stop right there. LL never does this.

They never want to give clear, specific guidelines about anything and I don't blame them. If they do that, to paraphrase Daniel Linden, people will stand right on edge of the line and piss over while chanting "ha, ha, I'm not violating the rules. pffffftttt!!!"

Ask all you want but they won't do it.

Right, I get the premise. I just don't think it works.

Right now, we're seeing all kinds of wacky attempts to test the line, and as far as I can tell, anything that could *possibly* be interpreted as an edge case is let slide. So now, the line is (intentionally or not) sliding inexorably toward total ineffectiveness.

And no number of repeated line-crossings has any adverse consequences. Even UH still has an account! Before the first adfarm ban he was blatantly trying to destroy the market value of new sims at auction--openly stealing from LL right under their noses. And yet, he's still here.

I frankly give up on ARs. I'm half convinced that anything I AR is given a green light, no matter how blatant a violation it may be. At best, mine are ignored. Screw this. If they want a viable Mainland, they need to start acting on that conviction.

The whole policy is much too little, much too late. LL has somehow convinced itself that people are going to keep pouring money into a failed Mainland just as they did back when there was growth. That is magical thinking.

It's only October 16th..

Well, that's because they bind themselves to the letter of the rules. There's no requirement that they do so. They can follow the letter for the low-hanging fruit, then catch those who are acting as "High Maintenance Players" (ie, the ones riding the line) with a "spirit of the rules" enforcement, when it is made beyond clear that such is exactly what is happening.

I've written rulesets which take care of both kinds, and can attest to the fact that consistent enforcement of them works wonders.

Nor should they on issues like this, giving themselves wiggle room allows for a more sensible policy enforcement.

Exactly why I felt this policy was the right way to go.

It is only worth having an evolving policy though, if LL use its power to take action on all the edge cases where malicious intent is clear.
LL seem reluctant to take any action in these cases though, which actually means although theoretically there is an unclear line where any form of parcel harassment can be acted upon.

The reality is far from that with LL still working to a hard edge as set out by Jack Linden, ie. any PG advert under 8m in height is ok if it doesn't spin or glow, Microparcels can have anything placed on them that is not an advert as long as terrain is not edited to clearly stand out from surroundings and banlines are not applied to parcel etc.

The problem is right now LL are working to a strict line they have drawn in the sand, rather than managing their estate as promised and furthermore, without letting any one know exactly where they have decided to draw the line.

The result of this will be the parasites testing the lines edge and once they identify it, standing just on the other side pissing over shouting HA HA suckers we still here still harassing you into buying our parcels.

Safe in the knowledge they are not going to be chastised by LL in anyway.
While we carry on filing reports against what seem clear violations in principle, that will never be acted upon.

Wait'll the SLRR starts to run on those tracks!

Mari

Its not harassment to build something on their own land to block the view of your ad coming into their land. You have repeated yourself about a hundred times in these threads and all you keep saying is somehow you have extra rights on other peoples land to insure your ads are seen. Give it up, listen to the many responses that say, we have a right to build what we want on our land, even if it is to block your ad(spam) from entering our build. Listen to the people who say that you have chosen a poor location for an ad if the issue even arises and stop crying to the Lindens for extra rights as though the right to put up an ad entitles you to have it seen. It just says you can build it not that we are forced to see it on our land. It doesn't matter if its your purpose for it to be seen, it's not our purpose to come to SL, build what we think are beautiful builds to have someones sign be the central part of the view. So your sign goes away behind something, Should I tear down my store or house so your sign can be seen across the sim. Should you be forced to tear your sign down so my art trail can be seen from the road.
Constant, irritating repitition won't change reality or our views that you are just a little obsessive about a wrong-headed idea.

Gonna need a permit to do stuff on it - to enhance the experience of passersby of course.

Hello everyone, i recently just opened a estates business with my partner called D.P. Estates. If you are interested in buying some land for 1L and tier extremely low, please contact me or Don Pharaoh. Thank you for your time.

Was this post on a 16m parcel?

The land sales forum is way below and don't get me started on L$1 sales

I like to think of this in terms of Whack-a-Mole, these people may think they are being funny spaming their dodgy buisness in threads like this but it just helps identify them. This one even gave us the name of his accomplice.
/me hides behind a convenient prim with freebie cartoon mallet at the ready...

Umm you got any $1L mainland you can sell me? Or is this just another $1 rental lease deal?

Gimme a week or so. If the Lindens can't bestir themselves to do something about the resurgence of extortion and landcutting pretty goddamn soon, I'll be dumping a *lot* of Mainland.

Y'gotta either laugh or weep - I'm still undecided. Has it really only been a few weeks since Jack drew the line in the sand and spoke so articulately about looking beyond ad farming and addressing the real extortion isuues?

And here we are......

I really didnt believe LL would drop the ball on this one - not this time......not after making such a fuss about doing the right thing for once.

now this realy is just taking the piss!!!

Polkadot 142, 118, 98

It's about time these plots were seized by Gov.Linden it's the only way we can be sure that these scumbags do not have the chance to profit from this type of BS.

P.S. Please feel free to come and AR this crap hopefully the asshat responsible will be perma-baned for this BS


P.P.S Wow that was fast ! within 5 mins the rotating glow box was gone. Can Lindens apear on the grid in invisible mode ? cos I didn't see anybody!

Don't think any of us did, but it seems thats exactly what they have done, by assuming market forces will make everything ok over time.

Still new cuts appearing daily, with no action being taken by LL.

No doubt there will be worse to come, it seems LL have not only dropped the ball, but lost it as well.

if you visit my land in South Heron i have a freely copyable round tuit for your use.

I once AR'd a particle-throwing object, and got a Linden to the place rather quickly. Although she was visible (wearing a rather smart uniform and some very-impressive-looking guns), I noticed she did not show up as a green dot on the mini-map. My guess is that the Lindens have a number of modes to appear on for various purposes: Invisible, invisible on map, untouchable (no pushing or ejecting a Linden) and plain normal (for testing purposes).

Hey, they may even be able to be several places at once? Can see how that must be useful: You can have one screen where you roam, invisible, at an infohub, just checking for various TOS violations, while TP-ing around returning extortion objects on the second.

Torley has a video on how you too can run more than one avatar at once, though it is hard to jump from window to window. So, logically LL can indeed do it.

I had a suggestion and it was to make parcels under 256sqm unable to be set "for sale" or maybe even bump that to "under 512sqm" This will make it very hard for extortioners to greif nearby land owners. However a safe limit will have to be decided on. Maybe 256 or 320sqm. And as a bonus it forces the extortioner to pay tier to keep his "microparcels" which cannot be resold. This is of course assuming that the person making microparcels is in fact doing it to resell them at absurd prices.

And the protection is two fold, you cannot sell 64sqm plots to anyone so they cannot be "accidentally" purchased by greifers and then resold to you at ridiculous prices. You can still divide your land in little 64sqm squares if you like, you just can't sell them like that.

I'm not saying this idea is perfect, it still has flaws, but it's a suggestion. Needs to be matured a bit.

I've bought and sold parcels as small as 16 square meters, and it had nothing to do with adfarms. I've even bought parcels that size from the Governor.

Only allow parcels smaller than 256m to be sold for L$1/m or less to a specific person, *maybe*, but you absolutely have to be able to transfer ownership of small parcels.