Feedback on Ad Farm post

I think we can look to the existing community standards to control the undesireable advertiseing... I quote the following that i have used when I submit abuse reports on offensive material of a sexual nature..

Violation: Community Standards: Intolerance
Description: Demeaning Images
The advertisement at this location belittles the group of female residents by portraying the gender as a sexual object. This marginalization and belittlement of 50% of its citizens diminishes the Second Life community as whole. The image in this advertisement is derogatory and demeaning to the female gender and as such is never allowed in Second Life.


I appluad the action of Linden bring more control to advertiseing that reduces our enjoyment of Second Life.

Greetings my angry friend. All I can really say to you is that what is good and just for one, is good and just for the other. I hope you find peace in yourself. I also hope the resident who has put up the photos of naked nuns near your business is inclined to remove such a thing.

Like you I am also a bit upset about such things. Like residence using our Native cultural items, dress and cerimony for bdsm and gor. Wonder what would happen if someone made a christian bdsm shop that used half naked avies in lude positions to display and sell all types of christian garb for use in bdsm and or gor.

What do you think about that? Seriously, I would like to know how everyone feels about that.

What is good and just for one, is good and just for the other.

Peace and tranquility to you angry one. I pray you find your center again.

Regards, Cytherea Eagle

BTE Global Financial Group

We are a legit, licensed advertiser for Various Inc.
(a very large and diverse RL online company)
BTE Global AdTec perticipates in legit advertising NOT adfarming.
Thank you for reading.

In fact, I would proffer the following candidate restrictions for licensees:

1) Have not been the recipient of disciplinary actions related to adfarming or other land harassment for the past 6 months.
2) Have fully complied with the new policy BY THE DEADLINE, including healing the mainland abused by said ad network without resorting to microparcel extortion.
3) Have taken every measure to show that they are community-focused and sensitive to community concerns, including but not limited to, public apologies for past abuse, and working with neighbors to resolve any disputes in a timely and polite manner.

Basically, show a track record of not being part of the problem, and show that they really are a professional advertising business, not some rank amateurs who look at advertising to make a quick L$. Show that they are good corporate citizen, and are responsive to the needs and concerns of not only their customers, but the public good as well.

Jack, you really REALLY need to establish some parameters as to this licensing plan TODAY. If the advertisers are going to know what to do to comply. Things like:

1) Who needs to consider getting one? Will Carl Metropolitan / NCI need one for his network? IE, will networks that do not use external billboard-type advertising but exclusively use venue-focused or "affiliate" networks be required to obtain a license to operate?
2) Will Linden Lab be providing the land and/or the billboards, or will the advertiser have to provide their own? If the former, are you going to appropriate land in each sim for this purpose, hopefully with the permission and support of the landowners in the region? If the latter (let's hope not), what land do they need to hold onto and what land do they need to get rid of?
3) Will the licensing process be an auction, a lottery, or what? Approximately how many licenses will there be allowed?
4) What will be the membership criteria? Are you going to be extremely selective, or can just anyone get a license?

These and many more questions need to be answered, and TODAY. Don't wait, because it is important to help them and us clean up the mainland by the Oct 1 deadline.

No doubt we can expect a string of these BTE outlets very soon!

Can't wait

One thing that should not be allowed are the small (typically 16-64 sqm) plots that are surrounded on three or four sides by other owners. There are huge numbers of these for sale at exorbitant prices whose main function is to put a hole in someone else's land and try to force them to buy it. I would also hope that ads would be banned from the edges of Linden rights-of-way. They prevent access to the open land that is intended to provide paths and open spaces, not to mention making the areas hideous. Many is the time when looking for land to buy that I have immediately rejected plots with such holes or borders. Both sellers and prospective buyers (not to mention LL) thus suffer because of these unsightly ad farms.

All depends on why they are doing it. If they are doing it to enjoy themselves on their own land and are not going out of their way to specifically display it to someone who would be offended, why would anyone care? If someone wants to wear a Dragon av and RP being slain by knights on hobby horses, it won't bother me, but if they do it right outside my home, while it still won't bother me, it is clear they are intending to harass, and need to be dealt with.

There's a BIG different between offering offense and taking offense. One is harassment; the other is optional.



Yup. Around here, that is called "what is sauce for the goose, is also sauce for the gander".

I am eager to see them too...they will help me find my center

Rule for being allowed a license thats good I would go one step further and only allow licenses to Groups that have never been the recipients of any disciplinary actions.

Once a dishonest theif always a dishonest theif and I really think all owners of multiple numbers of small parcels should require a license.

What i mean it Not letting anyone own less than 512 m2 on any one simulator.

That way it would make the add farms much less profitable.

I'm not a fan of the "only allow ads on/near protected land" plan. I like roaming the grid via roads or following the SLRR - having these already polluted areas get worse is not a happy thought to me.

edit: two thumbs up, Jack!

Sarcany is not very enviable. I will not stoop.
I forgive you. Blessing to you all. I have said all I have to say.

May you find peace on your journeys.

Regards, Cytherea Eagle
BTE Global Financial Group

Hopefully if LL agree and make the maximum size of adverts 8m heigh by 8m wide and ensure they are ground based spaced out in a sensible fashion with strict rules as to designs and advert content allowed then they will not make the roads look worse but simply compliment what is already there

It's sarcasm, not sarcany.

I forgive you too.

Sandor Balczo
Resident without a center (but with a big suburb LOL)

Frankly, Cytherea, I think your operation is PRECISELY the type of thing the Lindens are finally trying to stamp out. And about time, I say. Peace and Tranquility to you too... and hopefully you will find something more productive to do in the future.

I'm sorry I don't have time right now to read the rest of the thread, but I felt like I should say this anyway

I don't own land (on mainland or otherwise), but I think my comment is valid anyway. In my opinion, instead of specific targeting ads, the policies about griefing should be expanded to define more clearly the types of griefing done by adfarmers (accompanied by the intensification and increase in reliability of the enforcement of those policies). What prevents people now from instead of ads putting rotating cubes with pictures of cheeseburgers, manholes and other random stuff? there are many other stuff that can be done in small parcels to grief neighbors besides displaying ads and spamming busyness related invnetory items....

Oh, almost forgot to add:

Along the lines of what I said, if there is anything that would bother me, if I were to take offense, it would be your use of an icon of my kind as your logo for your adfarming business. However, since taking offense is optional, I have opted not to, but if you are truly as considerate as you claim (and respectful to Dragons as you also once claimed), you would consider that fact.



Oh yah.. Various, Inc. A well-known malware and scam site network owner.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/201/RipOff0201237.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/238/RipOff0238260.htm
http://sanjose.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=68&bbb=1216&firm=206437

I'll go ahead and say it since I can guess most everybody is thinking it.


A good start would be permanently banning any known ad farmer right off the bat. Say start with Cytherea Eagle and Robo Marx?

/me hopes this thread will not turn into a fight or bitchfest.

I'd like to encourage Lindens to participate in the forums rather than prove what many of them think: that this place is a zoo.

1 glow should be limited to say 5 meter falloff if allowed at all

2 the parcel size should be limited to not less than 2 meters outside the ad

3 all giver scripts should require you to actually touch some part of the ad (NOT THE BASE)

4 no particle or sound scripts at all

5 easy way to solve the doughnut/ punchout parcel problem. when a parcel is found to have a punchout at the request of the surrounding parcel owner LL should
A seize the land
B charge the former owner 110% of the asking price (giving them 14 days to comply)
C sell the land to the surrounding sim owner at market price
D terminate the "punchout" accounts if the money is not tendered

the more I read these comments the more I think licensing to be a bad idea, tighter guidelines for all. if the ads are within an area, such as NCI, and directed to the people within the area then they would be okay, same for ads inside a club, mall, ect.

Since Adfarms will be removed, some of these circumstances you speak of will become nonissues.

If you consider yourself a legit advertiser because you take money from entities to post eyesores on the landscape on their behalf and ruin the quality of second life for the vast majority, then I do not pity you.

I look forward to Linden Lab working on eliminating what you consider a proper and professional presence and what everyone else sees as a blight.

The real problem that extorts mainland are not the adfarms but the egomaniac's banlines all over the place. You can't move around anywhere - and this is promoted by LindenLabs "privacy" options. They're an eyesore, they're keeping people from enjoying to move around, they bleed through walls. The ads, ugly or not, don't.

Dear Jack, and Cytherea Eagle

I've been most impressed with how fast LL has acted on some of my AR's in regards to muliple micro land parcels with annoying signs on them.

Here is an idea. The cohesion of what LL had an idea for mainland has been broken up by people cutting secondary micro parcels along side Linden roads for SELLING AD SPACE or what ever people want it for. THE MUTLIPLE MICRO PARCELS ARE JUST AS BAD AS SIGNS. Especially when the ban lines are around them or pay for access nonsense.

You could put limits on sims that have roads that nothing under a certain parcel size be resold. The problem with sims with Linden roads is that the odd size parcels are not "Tier Friendly". Maybe You can possibly give people a tier break on sims that have these roads? Example. Look at the Crinkle sim. Why would anyone by a 5008m2 parcel and pay over the 4096 m2 Tier. Cutting a parcel to 4096 leaves excess.....usually along the road. MOST people search for land by 512, 1024, 2048, 4096 etc....

When people purchase full mainland sims with roads in them I feel many are not aware of potential problems. If you are buying sims to resell lots in correct tier proportions you are going to end up with odd lots. Selling a 1/4 sim lot in Venn left excess along the road. No one wants to purchase those lots because their tier would jump to the next level. How can we fix that?


I do run ads for my "in world" business on roadside parcels. I don't have large signs maybe 6 meters high at the most. Most parcels I have purchased for the roadside access and resold what I didn't want. I sold those parcels at regular pricing. I am proud to have my signs on roads that LDPW have finished and make sure they work well with the theme as in the Goldbach sim.

No one has yet complained about my signs or blocked them because perhaps they are not offensive to them. What people like Cytherea Eagle need to do is look at the majority of their signs. Perhaps if the majority of your signs are blocked by a tree or a big prim, maybe that should be telling you something? Think how better effective they can be if you worked with people rather than try to annoy them? Ancient Shriner who had a great many networked adverts at one time and I quote said to me... "In Second Life you pay for the land, not the view" when I asked him to relocate a parcel. Do you honestly think this type of behavior works? Do you think your advertizers really would advertise with you if they knew the ill will you have created towards their product and the potential liability you have set up for them as well as Linden Labs? Example: Does a company selling Hammocks want to have an advert above an Asian Escort service? If I owned that company I would sue the sign company and LL for damages to my company reputation for allowing that to happen!.

There are some sims people have dumped land, because the sim is too far gone. Signs facing signs, micro parcels with porno adverts. Etc. People paid good money only to see their investment ruined.

Looking for to October 1st.

Maximum sale prices on parcels less than 256 (16x16): $L1 per sqm. If the land is for sale, it's for sale for no more than that if the parcels size is that small. If it is set for sale to a specific person, then the person must own > 256 on a plot that is directly adjacent (i.e., shares a border).

It's at First Land prices. If they want more out of it, join the parcels. Simple really - they want to extort, ok, but it better be 256 or more. In this way n00bs can come back to buy land on the ML for ultra-cheap prices and the residents around an adfarm can easily reclaim the land to be put to better use.

Note that this would apply only to ML - private estate have no restrictions on this or anything else, for that matter.

Sound good?

I also think that adfarms should only operate on LL-owned parcels using LL-owned signs. Eliminate the middleman, allow legit advertisers to directly rent their own billboards. Cash flow for LL, advertising for those who need it.

~G

How much cash flow?

Enough to make it worth their while?