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09-20-2008 17:28
From: joeypt Plutonian
I really appreciate all the input you guys have given me aside from the post counting trolls. I'll have to resolve to consulting professional help.
You see, joeypt, you drop yourself in all the time. Take those words, for instance. *YOU'LL* have to organise professional help???? I thought he has parents.
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09-20-2008 17:45
IMHO, your brother had issues long before he joined SecondLife.

if you are truly concerned about his welfare, then the last place you should come to for help is a forum. it is very hard for me to take you seriously when you post things like:

"acting like a mental retart by picking his nose, licking his fingers, rubbing his dandruff off, and pushing me from time to time."

it sounds like your parents shirked their duties and now that the shitake has hit the pan, are looking for someone to blame.

get the computer out his room, turn off the DSL, pick up the phone and get him help.

that is IF this is serious post.
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09-20-2008 17:48
Dammit - I've read all the posts in this thread, and keep returning every 10 minutes to see if there are any new ones, "might as well face it, I'm addicted to this thread.........(apologies to Robert)" - who can I sue ??!!
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09-20-2008 17:55
From: Brenda Connolly
A lot of people are working hard. And they still aren't getting to where they would have been a generation ago.And they see those who appear to be getting it without hard work and it mekes them resentful.

Look at the bank fiasco going on now. Who is going to pick up the tab for that? The taxpers. The people who are responsible for it are getting away scot free. The bank executives are getting big buyouts from the banks they helped run into the ground, and the politicians who allowed it to happen are talking about bailouts, and "Paying more taxes is patriotic".And in the truest sense of Patriotism, they will let us assume that debt, then turn around and sell those failed banks to investers in China, India or the Middle East. And they will continue to point fingers at one another and blame everyone but themselves. The fish stinks from the head.

*sorry to derail*

This User Agreed.
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09-20-2008 18:06
From: Conan Godwin
Then again; I read an article last year that said some psychiatrists consider shyness to be a mental illness. Inter-personal Avoidant Syndrome they called it.

they actually make a pill for that now. :eek:
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09-20-2008 18:36
From: joeypt Plutonian
Again with the spam on a serious topic. Please stop it. Thanks.


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09-20-2008 18:46
Obvious troll is obvious. But having sad that, let me get this straight.

Someone is said to have 'no social life' to the point of it being considered 'a mental illness'.

At the same time, that someone has social connections strong enough, that having a different SL account -- which means less or no lindens and in general less or no toys that could make SL more enjoyable in absence of social connections -- has no effect whatsoever on these social connections.

Which means the guy has some people I would call rather good friends, or at least, VERY good business partners. That they're somewhere far away and not next door doesn't change a thing.

This internal contradiction makes the whole thing silly even when considered as a hypothetical question. Going to such lengths to stop someone from seeing their friends is torture, that can lead to suicide if no other means of psychological support are available. End of story.
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09-20-2008 18:57
From: joeypt Plutonian
Did you read the entire thread? If kids went around saying five times a day they're going to kill themselves and the rest of the day sitting coding virtual sex items, there's something definitely wrong.
And yet he functions so well and with such a mature attitude inworld according to an earlier post of yours that no one suspects a darn thing that he is underage.

Hmmmm Rule#1 about telling lies...always remember the lies you have already told!
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09-20-2008 19:19
From: joeypt Plutonian
Why spam a serious post? it's one measly post count. It has no value. Please refrain from spamming if you have nothing useful to say.


Who are you? Forum cop?
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09-20-2008 22:26
From: Skell Dagger
On checking inworld, I note your SL account was created today, joeypt.

Being a charitable person, I'm going to assume you created an alt just so he wouldn't know it was *you* making this post. Because if I wasn't a charitable person, I would assume you're just trolling.






I don't believe the op at all. I mean, why come here to ask what to do? It just doesn't sound right. The entire story sounds like a lot of BS.
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09-21-2008 01:06
From: Ricardo Harris
I don't believe the op at all. I mean, why come here to ask what to do? It just doesn't sound right. The entire story sounds like a lot of BS.
I believed him until he said he used to date Sarah Palin.
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09-21-2008 01:53
Come on, we all can see what's going on.


He's jealous his littler brother has more internet friends than him. Poor fella.
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09-21-2008 02:01
From: Ricardo Harris
I don't believe the op at all. I mean, why come here to ask what to do? It just doesn't sound right. The entire story sounds like a lot of BS.


DAMMIT Ricardo!!! Quite making sense that I agree with you!!! :)

The whole story made my BS Detector™ go off.
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09-21-2008 02:11
Now a message from my "mean" side for the OP:

Save your brother the trouble. Kill him before he does it himself.

He's making you look like a "douche bag" to all your High School friends & is most likely 'boinking' your girlfriend behind yer back.

Mom & Dad always DID like HIM best. To your parents you're nothing but a let down. You make them sad. They realize they'll never have grandchildren with you around. You should take care of it now, while your young enough to avoid a hefty jail sentence.

I recommend a ball-peen hammer to the face. Repeatedly! As hard as Possible. Aim for the temples & the area between the eyes & nose. OR- get him to join in a stupid stunt that would likely end up with his death. Post it on Youtube. Take him hunting. Have an "accident" involving the discharge of your gun & the back of his head.

And now, back to our show.... :D
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09-21-2008 02:12
From: Gabriele Graves

Hmmmm Rule#1 about telling lies...always remember the lies you have already told!


I DO!

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09-21-2008 03:08
From: Damien1 Thorne
My 16 year old son piggy-backed off the neighbors wireless connection to play games in his room with the school's laptop. I had already refused to give him the wireless key and blocked the mac id when i found out he was plugging into the network directly. Now he was not playing sl, but it is easy to figure out. So the computer was sent back to school and i made sure the neighbors secured their network.

That said, if this is remotely true, then block his access, change computer passwords, make sure all neighbors are running secured networks. [Resolved]



I would certainly deal with my kids in this way under similar circumstances, but I do think that for some parents there can be a problem in that the kids are far more computer literate than the parents are! In which case, the parents need some help and support in sorting things out.

If this is the case in this instance, then I think the responsibility lies with Joeypt to assist in preventing this underage access to SL.
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09-21-2008 03:53
From: Allegria Kanto
Well, actualy, paraphrasing a bit, you said kids who get into trouble with the law typically have bad parents. I'm just taking issue with that generalization.

People under 18 also have responsibility for their own choices. I'm not talking law, here, BTW. I'm talking morality in its broadest sense. Yes, parents have a responsibility to discipline their children, but children also bear a moral responsibility for their own actions. And, I think there are many juvenile offenders who have good, well-meaning and responsible parents. The converse is also true, that many have poor, abusive, and irresponsible parents.

It's very popular in our culture to blame parents when kids go wrong, as Skell said "a culture of blame." I think it behooves us all to take a look at some of our knee-jerk reactions, and realize that, as tempting as it is in our complex world to look for simple, tidy solutions to the myriad ills of our society, answers to our problems are not simple. They are as complex and difficult as the world we live in, and usually are not "one size fits all."

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QFT

Things are seldon as clear cut as we would like. I think that people in the 16th century had the right idea. They sent their kids to live with other families and took in the kids of others - sort of mutual fostering. It all worked out pretty well because teenagers never listen to their own parents - they behave better with their friends' parents.

Of course there is always boarding school.... Australia seems about far enough.....hmmmmm.
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09-21-2008 04:42
Really Amazes me how some people can be o nasty to another resident looking for answers.'

Also amazes me how many peoples solution is to take away from the kid or damage him in some way to disable his internet access.

Maybe the family needs to attack it at a different angle. The kid seems to be extremely bright and enjoys coding. Coding and internet jobs are a big business. Why shut him down and disable his learning abilities? Sounds like he is not challenged enough in his life and options not being offered to him to help him pursue what interests him. I can see a number of things to offer this kid. Like enrolling him in programing classes. Getting him and the family involved in his growth. If he likes gaming and coding . then direct him in the right paths instead of removing it.

Sl gives him a sense of accomplishment. Maybe the same thing should be offered to him in real life as well. And you would probably see a turn around in behavior


Just my 2 cents.
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09-21-2008 05:43
From: Dilbert Dilweg
Really Amazes me how some people can be o nasty to another resident looking for answers.'


You know, we'd have probably reacted differently, if it wasn't for this little tidbit.

From: joeypt Plutonian
If my brother does suicide, I'll attribute it to Linden Lab and could file a wrongful death suit.


Yeah, this is what cheeses me off. Blame the platform for the problems, because LL can't/won't do anything beyond what they've already done. All LL can do is close accounts and block IPs/Macs. They can't prevent the offender from getting around those, because it's not like LL can go into the boy's home and rip out the network, shut down the internet and remove the computers.

It's not LL's job to raise the OP's brother. It's not LL's fault that the parents won't use the tools that are given to them to handle this situation.

If he's threatening suicide, why don't they get him help from a mental health care professional? Heck, why don't they all go get that help? Sounds like they could all use a dose of it, because it's apparent the parents and brother have expectations that the young man obviously wants nothing to do with. So rather than communicate with the offending offspring, they want to shove him into line with their view of the world.

Again, that's not LL's problem. That's theirs.
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09-21-2008 05:54
From: Conan Godwin
Wouldn't that make Second Life the treatment, not the illness?


Yes...shock treatment! ;)
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09-21-2008 06:05
From: Deira Llanfair
QFT

Things are seldon as clear cut as we would like. I think that people in the 16th century had the right idea. They sent their kids to live with other families and took in the kids of others - sort of mutual fostering. It all worked out pretty well because teenagers never listen to their own parents - they behave better with their friends' parents.

Of course there is always boarding school.... Australia seems about far enough.....hmmmmm.


Well, the OP did say his "brother" set his IP for Africa. I personally feel better living close to my IP ;)
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09-21-2008 06:36
From: Dilbert Dilweg
Really Amazes me how some people can be o nasty to another resident looking for answers.'

Also amazes me how many peoples solution is to take away from the kid or damage him in some way to disable his internet access.

Maybe the family needs to attack it at a different angle. The kid seems to be extremely bright and enjoys coding. Coding and internet jobs are a big business. Why shut him down and disable his learning abilities? Sounds like he is not challenged enough in his life and options not being offered to him to help him pursue what interests him. I can see a number of things to offer this kid. Like enrolling him in programing classes. Getting him and the family involved in his growth. If he likes gaming and coding . then direct him in the right paths instead of removing it.

Sl gives him a sense of accomplishment. Maybe the same thing should be offered to him in real life as well. And you would probably see a turn around in behavior


Just my 2 cents.


A few years in the Marines as a front line infantryman will solve all this kids problems. That is if he actually existed. The OP is a troll, nasty is what trolls get.
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09-21-2008 07:30
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09-21-2008 08:06
From: Dilbert Dilweg
Really Amazes me how some people can be o nasty to another resident looking for answers.'

Also amazes me how many peoples solution is to take away from the kid or damage him in some way to disable his internet access.

Maybe the family needs to attack it at a different angle. The kid seems to be extremely bright and enjoys coding. Coding and internet jobs are a big business. Why shut him down and disable his learning abilities? Sounds like he is not challenged enough in his life and options not being offered to him to help him pursue what interests him. I can see a number of things to offer this kid. Like enrolling him in programing classes. Getting him and the family involved in his growth. If he likes gaming and coding . then direct him in the right paths instead of removing it.

Sl gives him a sense of accomplishment. Maybe the same thing should be offered to him in real life as well. And you would probably see a turn around in behavior


Just my 2 cents.


We aren't nasty to other residents looking for answers. The OP has repeatedly lied to us to the point where nobody really even believes this brother exists. He has refused to even acknowledge legitimate answers and the ones he has acknowledged he has found a story (completely inconsistent with his earlier story) to explain why it won't work.

He isn't looking for answers, he's looking to troll here and to blame someone else for his self-created problems.

That said, pretend the brother exists for a moment. All of your solutions to the problem first require his parents to get him off of SL long enough to go take classes in RL or engage in the other activities. If it's as bad as his brother says, then that's going to require something as drastic as shutting his access of entirely. Plus, if he is really as addicted as his brother says, it would be like taking an alcoholic and getting them a job as a bartender. He needs a clean break, not more computer time.
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09-21-2008 08:07
Hi, I'm new to the Second Life forums. Anyway, this thread certainly got my attention! I suppose joeypt may be a troll, but this type of thing really could happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8hfK3RQs2g

I know this kid was addicted to World of Warcraft, but still. . .

As for me, I've been on Second Life for about a month now and loving it! :)
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