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Lynyrd Weatherwax
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09-19-2008 15:57
I guess this must be a joke.

Not very funny, though.
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09-19-2008 15:59
From: joeypt Plutonian
He hasn't even been using our internet access lately. He uses my neigbors'. I have no right to ask them to cancel their internet.


If you care about your brother and your neighbors are knowingly allowing a minor to use their internet access to access adult sites, then you have every right, and even a responsibility, to ask them to stop and or to report them to the police or child services.
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09-19-2008 16:00
From: Damien1 Thorne
My 16 year old son piggy-backed off the neighbors wireless connection to play games in his room with the school's laptop. I had already refused to give him the wireless key and blocked the mac id when i found out he was plugging into the network directly. Now he was not playing sl, but it is easy to figure out. So the computer was sent back to school and i made sure the neighbors secured their network.

That said, if this is remotely true, then block his access, change computer passwords, make sure all neighbors are running secured networks. [Resolved]


Good for you!!! I like seeing people take resposibility and solving problems and not trying to blame those not at fault... Good for you Damien1
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09-19-2008 16:03
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Kids decide they need some money and their parents are out for a day, so they take a gun and commit armed robbery.
And who is standing next to them in Court when they get caught? Their Parents. Not the gun manufacturer.
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09-19-2008 16:03
From: joeypt Plutonian
It's not my or my parents responsibility to prevent an underaged player from playing SL. It's LL's responsibility.
Wrong.

Depending on where you live, your brother is likely still classed as a minor. Which means his parents are responsible for him, for his actions, and for his behaviour.

Tell me how, exactly, are LL supposed to stop a smart coder of an underage player from accessing their servers? You brother likely knows all about proxies, about hacked viewers, about piggybacking wireless, and about every other means of accessing SL illegally. What are LL supposed to do to stop him? Maybe you should be contacting them with your suggestions?

This may be an uncomfortable analogy for you, given your brother's threats of suicide, but if a parent leaves a loaded gun lying around, and a child takes it, fires it, and kills himself with it, who is to blame? The gun manufacturer? The licensed gunsmith who sold the gun to the child's parents? Or the parents, for not locking the gun away?

The blame culture of society today sickens me. It's why we must have stupid warnings like, "Not to be used to trim nasal hair" on chainsaws. Because some *idiot* somewhere tried it and decided to sue the chainsaw manufacturer.
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09-19-2008 16:05
From: joeypt Plutonian
Prior to using the word EVERYTHING, please consider all the circumstances. Children are living spontaneous creatures with minds of their owns. They don't learn everything from their parents and can assess situations and make decisions of their owns. That includes doing very negative things such as doing drugs, crime, or choosing to join a mature environment. ...


If this is even remotely true, then you can't possibly blame LL for your brother's actions. After all, he's a living spontaneous creature with a mind of his own. He can assess situations and make decisions on his own, even if that includes things with negative consequences.

So, the upshot of your post is that you now no longer blame LL for your brother's problems and admit that he is to blame.

Thank Heavens! I'm glad we could set you straight.

The next issue still hasn't been addressed, and that is the glaring inconsistencies in your story. Were you lying or is there an explanation? I'm still betting on lying.
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09-19-2008 16:09
From: Trout Recreant


Were you lying or is there an explanation? I'm still betting on lying.

Online gambling is illegal Trout. You know that. But if you get caught, maybe you can blame someone else at least.
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09-19-2008 16:10
From: joeypt Plutonian
Hi, my brother is 16, he's been playing second life since he was 14. Since he's been playing Second Life, he's had no social life, participated in very few social activities, and has been failing in school. In other words, it destroyed his life. He's a very "successful" scriptor ingame though. He works for some important names ingame and no one has a clue that he is underage. He has downloaded a voice changer, uses a mature vocabulary, and has worked in the porn/sex industry. Since he's been playing the game, he's tried to become more controlling of me, not that he's really done anything to really piss me off aside from acting like a mental retart by picking his nose, licking his fingers, rubbing his dandruff off, and pushing me from time to time. He's been frequently talking about suicide over the summer and I'm just tired of this shit. My parents already called Second Life and I don't know if they closed his account or not, but this verification or whatever the hell they do to see if you're underaged or not, it's not working. It's ridiculous how they can knowing let underaged kids play this game. If my brother does suicide, I'll attribute it to Linden Lab and could file a wrongful death suit. Someone please give me some advice on what to do. Thanks. I won't name him here because it'll probably be against the rules.


I got an idea, why don't you get off your duff and TALK to your brother, do something with him versus whining like a 5 year old on some web forums? You know...be a big brother for once.

Just sayin...
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09-19-2008 16:13
you sound more and more like a minor yourself, The way you phrase things and your analogy's just prove my point ever more. Until you hit the age of 18 in the US your parents are responcible for you unless they have emancipated(sp) you and then you are techanially an adult. but this is not the case here as you have stated. Please do not blame linden labs for poor parenting skills. thank you
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09-19-2008 16:16
From: joeypt Plutonian
Prior to using the word EVERYTHING, please consider all the circumstances. Children are living spontaneous creatures with minds of their owns. They don't learn everything from their parents and can assess situations and make decisions of their owns. That includes doing very negative things such as doing drugs, crime, or choosing to join a mature environment. Kids say they're out doing a project and they're out smoking or drinking. Kids decide they need some money and their parents are out for a day, so they take a gun and commit armed robbery. Obviously the kids are responsible but so are those that helped in those circumstances. Those who provided the drugs are responsible. Those who provided weapons are responsible. So are those who provided access to a mature environment.

Oh - good- glad we got thru to you- he IS responsible for his own actions-

Yes, the law will hold the parents responsible and frankly if they are any kind of parents they will get off their collective asses and do something about it- assuming they know.. but, of course you being the responsible older brother you have already informed your parents and helped them to carry out the proper measures? But aside from it- let's recall this is not a 10 year old or ev en a 14 or 15 year old- he is 16- he is old enough to know even if not old enough to make wise decisions. Guess what? I m 45 - I still screw up- but you know what else? I know damn well what I do- I pay for- Know what else? My 11 year old- when he doesn't do his HW- he pays for it; if he doesn't do his chores- he pays for it - WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS- TANSTAAFL baby...

OK- I went over board- One Riot One Ranger and i just did two answers- you people play with the troll- I am going to go taunt cobras or something equally safe...
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Carthalis Rossini
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09-19-2008 16:16
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I got an idea, why don't you get off your duff and TALK to your brother, do something with him versus whining like a 5 year old on some web forums? You know...be a big brother for once.

Just sayin...


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09-19-2008 16:19
From: joeypt Plutonian
Hi, my brother is 16, he's been playing second life since he was 14. Since he's been playing Second Life, he's had no social life, participated in very few social activities, and has been failing in school. In other words, it destroyed his life. He's a very "successful" scriptor ingame though. He works for some important names ingame and no one has a clue that he is underage. He has downloaded a voice changer, uses a mature vocabulary, and has worked in the porn/sex industry. Since he's been playing the game, he's tried to become more controlling of me, not that he's really done anything to really piss me off aside from acting like a mental retart by picking his nose, licking his fingers, rubbing his dandruff off, and pushing me from time to time. He's been frequently talking about suicide over the summer and I'm just tired of this shit. My parents already called Second Life and I don't know if they closed his account or not, but this verification or whatever the hell they do to see if you're underaged or not, it's not working. It's ridiculous how they can knowing let underaged kids play this game. If my brother does suicide, I'll attribute it to Linden Lab and could file a wrongful death suit. Someone please give me some advice on what to do. Thanks. I won't name him here because it'll probably be against the rules.

Coming here won't solve your issues. You need to step in here if he really is talking about suicide. You need to be the big brother and step in and talk with him. You need to make sure he gets the help he needs. You need to take responsibility for what you can see is a situation that is not good for your brother. Also, talk with your parents if they care. Take with professionals that deal with sort of thing. There are plenty of places that will help you to help him.
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09-19-2008 16:27
From: joeypt Plutonian
Hi, my brother is 16, he's been playing second life since he was 14. Since he's been playing Second Life, he's had no social life, participated in very few social activities, and has been failing in school. In other words, it destroyed his life. He's a very "successful" scriptor ingame though. He works for some important names ingame and no one has a clue that he is underage. He has downloaded a voice changer, uses a mature vocabulary, and has worked in the porn/sex industry. Since he's been playing the game, he's tried to become more controlling of me, not that he's really done anything to really piss me off aside from acting like a mental retart by picking his nose, licking his fingers, rubbing his dandruff off, and pushing me from time to time. He's been frequently talking about suicide over the summer and I'm just tired of this shit. My parents already called Second Life and I don't know if they closed his account or not, but this verification or whatever the hell they do to see if you're underaged or not, it's not working. It's ridiculous how they can knowing let underaged kids play this game. If my brother does suicide, I'll attribute it to Linden Lab and could file a wrongful death suit. Someone please give me some advice on what to do. Thanks. I won't name him here because it'll probably be against the rules.


Hey here's a cool idea - how about your parents start effing parenting and take him to a psychiatrist - where he will be treated to a 72 hour stay in a hospital for using suicide for attention.

And you can take your wrongful death lawsuit and file it against their parents for not doing their job.

Moron.
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09-19-2008 16:30
From: joeypt Plutonian
It's not my or my parents responsibility to prevent an underaged player from playing SL. It's LL's responsibility. If they want to run a mature game, they need to take extensive measures to prevent children from accessing the game.


however it is your parents responsibility to know what their child is doing especially on the internet.

you are all concerned about your alleged brother using SL, when, if he is that clever, god only knows what other kinds of sites he is using.

Apparently your parents need a lesson in how to turn on parental control on the PC, and how to discipline their child.

It is NOT LL's fault that your brother lied, to bypass their age restrictions.

If YOU have a better idea and way for LL to ensure no kids get into SL, then I suggest you contact them and present them with your idea.

I will repeat this for it seems you can not seem to grasp it very well....

It is NOT LL's fault that your brother LIED to bypass the age restrictions that LL has in place.

IF your brother was an honest kid, instead of the lying sneak you portray him to be, he would not be on the adult SL grid. (assuming he is on the adult grid)
If he is on the teen grid then he is breaking no rules or age restrictions.

And if your brother is the lying sneak you are portraying him to be, there is only the parents to blame, not LL.

Not quite sure what you expected to get out of the RA section of the LL forums, except maybe... you purposely started this thread, as an alt, because we were lacking a "Friday Thread"

good one on ya.... (I think)
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09-19-2008 16:33
From: bigmoe Whitfield
you sound more and more like a minor yourself, The way you phrase things and your analogy's just prove my point ever more. Until you hit the age of 18 in the US your parents are responcible for you unless they have emancipated(sp) you and then you are techanially an adult. but this is not the case here as you have stated. Please do not blame linden labs for poor parenting skills. thank you


maybe there is no brother.
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09-19-2008 16:35
From: Colette Meiji
maybe there is no brother.


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09-19-2008 16:36
From: joeypt Plutonian
Please specify how parents can prevent it.

remove internet from home, restrict him from outside activities until he can prove trustworthy, and notify the school of his sneakiness. if everyone is watching - most of all his own parents - it should prove difficult but successful.

i ask you... where are your parents in this? why aren't THEY calling LL every frikkin minute of the day until this is handled? why aren't they threatening LL with police action if LL doesn't comply with THEIR own rules and a potential detrimental effect on a minor?

why are you here, and not your parents? where is your parents' responsibility in this? it's not LL fault, it's your parents.
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09-19-2008 16:38
From: joeypt Plutonian
He hasn't even been using our internet access lately. He uses my neigbors'. I have no right to ask them to cancel their internet.

you are not the parent. your parents can ask them to stop contributing to the delinquency of a minor, and threaten lawsuit if they continue to allow someone else's child into their house to access porn in SL.
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09-19-2008 16:40
Anyone who is talking about suicide is extending a cry for help. Someone needs to drive him to the ER, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars and do NOT spend wasted time posting on forums. Doing anything less for a teen expressing these thoughts is criminal...literally.
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09-19-2008 16:41
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God, I am sick of people doing something stupid and then blaming anyone but themselves.

welcome to the new generation of Americans. it's going to get worse before it gets better, i'm afraid. :(
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09-19-2008 16:41
Word - my uncle killed himself after a long battle with bi polar disorder

The OP is placing the blame on everyone but where it belongs - he and his parents for not getting his brother to a psychiatrist, instead ignoring the suicide talk as a symptom of SL.

Sorry, he's an idiot.
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09-19-2008 16:43
From: Colette Meiji
maybe there is no brother.



I never thought about that, this could be a case of crying for help.
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09-19-2008 16:46
From: joeypt Plutonian
Prior to using the word EVERYTHING, please consider all the circumstances. Children are living spontaneous creatures with minds of their owns. They don't learn everything from their parents and can assess situations and make decisions of their owns. That includes doing very negative things such as doing drugs, crime, or choosing to join a mature environment. Kids say they're out doing a project and they're out smoking or drinking. Kids decide they need some money and their parents are out for a day, so they take a gun and commit armed robbery. Obviously the kids are responsible but so are those that helped in those circumstances. Those who provided the drugs are responsible. Those who provided weapons are responsible. So are those who provided access to a mature environment.

nope. children who are not neglected, who get attention and discipline from their parents don't typically use drugs or commit armed robbery.

again, back to your parents. they should have been monitering you and your brother from birth to 18, and then even longer if they could. parents parents parents. letting your 10 year old son run amock in the neighborhood is not good parenting. it's neglect and punishable by the law.
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09-19-2008 16:46
it's ok, guys. You can see from his earlier post that he admitted it was all his brother's fault, not Linden Lab's.

Now - the question really is, with all the inconsistencies, is he a complete liar or isn't he?

Joeypt? Your move.
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09-19-2008 16:49
From: Colette Meiji
maybe there is no brother.

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