Age Verification is here!!

I am saying it is not a problem worth avoiding.

What I find more interesting is someone pointed out all they entered was their name, address and date of birth and left the other ID fields empty. If that is all it takes to get verified then the entire system is a complete waste of everyones time.

Once this goes live to all residents we need to make a new thread on what worked to get verified so we see how useless it really is.

One also wonders why something like http://veratad.com/ was not used instead.

This works because Integrity, have absolutely no integrity.

I am at concierge level. I see where this is headed with LL. I verified. No use fighting the inevitable.

*Trin

another kick in the face of the allready weakened economy in sl

you guys should write a book for managers about how to NOT run a business

i am wondering how bad it can get before the crash.

i promise, integrety will not get my data. and when you ruin sl for me with this. i will just go
had a great time for a while. but after the last weeks performance i think i´ts only funny what you do now. just like a comic book or a funny movie. i allways think wow whata good joke, but then notice you are serious lol

ok bedtime

goodnight

As someone who can't verify whether I want to or not (no, you dont need teh specifics), I sincerely hope this never becomes mandatory. Even if it were possible for me, I would not verify with that company, for a variety of reasons others have stated in these threads. I do nothing in SL that could be considered criminal - no "excessive violence", no "explicit sex".

ETA: could be considered criminal *in the presence of minors*.

Remember, boys and girls, PG covers an awful lot of ground.

If they make it so that this Integrity/Aristotle verification is mandatory for island owners, that would be a real shame. It might well mean that teh Wheelies club would have to close - it would certainly mean chaos for it. And considering that Wheelies is probably one of the few bits of purely positive bits of RL media publicity for SL in recent months, that would be a real shame.

The current land dumping by LL and the apparently serious attempts to introduce that company into all this has shaken my confidence in SL badly, to the extent that I have indefinitely put on hold my plans to get a second island. I am sure I am not the only one in this position.

(And yes, I do make some money from that sim. It's not purely altruistic. But that won't stop me walking away from the money if my principles and peace of mind demand that of me).

Well for me at the moment I won't verfiy and therefore my island would have to go. I am tempted to verify without using the data I object to, namely my passport number or driving licence number but as I'm not at all happy with Integrity asking for information that I don't believe they need or can verify, I'm holding off from that as I simply don't trust them.

If you take a look at the Integrity website they list what information is mandatory for 'verification' under 'Data coverage'. It seems that in most places, including the USA, this consists of Name, DOB and Postcode (and sometimes phone number). Items of information like SSN, DL# etc. are mostly 'suggested'. From peoples experiences it seems that you can verify with just this information.

Of course, this highlights the face that there is pretty much NO identity verification happening. What would appear to be happening is that Integrity are merely verifying that the person described by the data actually exists, not that they are the person providing said information. Given that such information is readily available in your phone book how is this meant to constitute 'Identity Verification' ?

At least with use of a credit card as a form of identification there was some connection with the person the user claims to be i.e. any transaction would appear on their credit card statement.

This whole thing is a bad PR exercise and obviously so. How stupid do Linden Lab think we are ?

Max

Well they are certaintly going to do something in our profiles, or somewhere. Did you read the e-mail sent out? The way they worded it and such, its more than just showing it to the "data miner"..they spoke of shedding our anonymity and building "trust" between fellow residents.....

Same situation here in Australia, where only government agencies have access to this information. Yet I read in another thread that someone had successfully verified with an Australian driver's licence. This clearly makes the whole procedure a data-collecting exercise, not a verification process - a very different ballgame.

You don’t have to be paranoid, nor a conspiracy theorist, to be cautious about either identity theft or the purpose behind the implementation of this requirement, which I believe in time will become mandatory. The fact that it is quick and easy to do doesn't of itself make it right, and the given reason that it is to prevent under-age access simply doesn't hold water, since the system can so easily be rorted.

And do we really want SL to become the kind of environment where neighbour spies on neighbour? Robin Linden's blog - which I believe to be an extraordinary piece of double-speak - includes the following:

"Again this is voluntary, but we wanted to provide the tools for estate owners to restrict access to content of a sexual or violent nature to those they are sure are over 18."
Read: we don't want to look like the bad guys by insisting you do it - but if you don't do it, everyone will know you're not playing by the rules (and ultimately we will make you).

"If Residents and businesses choose not to do this, we expect that such behavior will be reported by the community itself. "
Read: anything you like, from 1984 to real-life communist or right-wing dictatorships...

"We trust that common sense will prevail."
'Common sense' is, like 'broadly offensive', both highly subjective and culturally influenced. LL continues to avoid giving a precise definition, not even clarifying whether they are referring to 'common sense' in contemporary western societies. In some cultures, it is totally acceptable for children to be in the same room as their parents having sex; in others, a woman can be beaten for showing any part of her body in public.

Above all, the sloppy way in which the whole issue has been handled so far leaves me sceptical. I won't even begin to go into the nonsense about 'trust', except to say that the word gets bandied about far too freely by LL, with no acknowledgment that it is a two-way street. There is absolutely no reason to suppose that we can ‘trust’ the verification process, nor the third party provider, nor even LL's real reason for doing it.

I would much prefer LL to cut the platitudes and treat me like the adult paying customer I am - cut the BS and provide me with an honest, concise rationale for this latest fiasco. That would at least offer me a real choice.

Kinda sad they want us to build trust with fellow residents somehow using a tool that makes us trust LL less.

This would be typical Linden reasoning.

Linden A: How do we build a community out of this? We've taken away the regular discussion forums, limited the blog comments, tell 'em to take to a third party site...

Linden B: All part of the community building plan!

Linden A: How?! All that will do is make them hate us!

Linden B: Precisely!

Voluntarily. (Even if you verify, you don't have to make the information visible, but you will have the option to.)

I can't imagine very many people will want to do this, but there may be a few. After the Ginko debacle, for example, anybody who tries to develop any sort of inworld banking business will certainly benefit by shedding their anonymity and having their real-world identity verified.

I honestly dont see trying to facilitate banking businesses as a reasonble reason for this stuff.

Anyone trying to set up an investment scheme in SL is technically required to comply to the regulations that exist in San francisco. The fact that SL is a "virtual world" has obscurred that.

Removing yet another nature of that "Virtual world" smokescreen could backfire - quite seriously- for these funds people. Even the supposedly Legit ones.

Because scammers are really honest people and anyone running a fraudulent business would never be evil enough to verify with false credentials...

When I went to the Aristotle website there were lots of links concerning
online gambling

what many people dont know is that last year before the elections which switched
power from republicans to democrats- there was a huge huge push to make internet gambling illegal and at the same level as slapping a nun

Most people dont play and watch cspan but i do and i saw them bring person after
person in front of the senate to testify how poor billy and jhonny lost all their college spending money gambling on the "internets"

and how evil dirty old men fumble with themselves in the dark and how that is gonna ruin the country.

they got their way and i knew then that the casino's here were gonna go poof it was just a matter of time closing all the loopholes.

Aristotle is one of those types of companies that will be used in caging lists to bump people off the voting rolls and inform government agencies who are not allowed to collect this
type of info

I have the link but i would never use these people, this is the creation of the database that will help them know what kind of armband we get, if you know what i mean

Im not sure yet but these people may be directly connected to the "end times" cult that is all over the states right now.


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before i trust aristotle with my used kitty litter, id rather have somebody from LL call me and ask me

"QUICK, SING THE FRAGGLE ROCK SONG"

if you can sing it- you are old enough to be here

or a few seconds of

"FAME!, I WANNA LIVE FOREVER.. BLAH BLAH BLAH"

or for people who didnt have cable

"21 JUMP STREET"

LOl exactly

it sounds like it would be EASY to fake that you are a Brit, for example.

I see you've fallen for the Hollywood stereotype that all brits are evil geniuses.

Only meaning that if you had the name, age and address of a handful of people in England for example - you could keep trying to verify until you got a registered voter.

Since several posters from the UK have mentioned no other information is needed.

Maybe LL have already given Integrity access to our data here and the system checks the LL data, the data I input and the electoral register and then verifies me?

I didn't need to use any more data than you've mentioned.

If a person from England can do this, a person from Canada can pretend to be a person from England and do it too.

Blame Canada!

And on that note:

LOL I thought LL promised not to give out customer data .. before we ever heard of this ID plan.

Hey ! I'm Canadian. I accept the blame no problem, but it'll have to wait until I've finished my beer.

This is going to be a corporate marketers dream come true. Once the teen grid is merged with the main grid, the doors will be wide open to advertise to one of the most sought after demographics, teens with alot of disposible income who are easilly branded/brainwashed by companies.

Not to mention it will make it easier for them to report all transactions to each country's tax man.