Age Verification is here!!

Exactly. All it does is it let's you know who ripped you off. It does nothing to correct it.

Yes, but my point is that it is in the blog, Cristalle. It's not like we're not getting warned about what is coming. Hiding our heads in the sand about it serves no purpose.

I consider point 1 to be smoke blown up our collective asses.

Well that's fine, but we've been warned about what they have in mind, and it seems to be much broader than point 2.

Agreed, my trust inworld is gained by deeds. I don't need to know if the person I'm talking to is a 40 something female from Ohio. That won't make me trust them one iota. That sort of information develops when you talk to someone, it's not needed for a business transaction and it's not needed for an introduction.

Heck I fear for any female who decides to display she's really a verified female.

The verification thing didn't actually ask gender... unless they plan on adding that later, I don't see how they could verify it.

-Atashi

I haven't gone through the process myself but it is in the blog on the issue:

"The IDV system aims to deliver two things. First, for Residents, it gives them the chance to independently verify certain aspects of their identity (their name, age, location and sex for instance) if they choose to."

Maybe it's not a feature in the beta verification or maybe the verification process sends your sex back as part of the match code LL get?

I'm frustrated. I want to show my full support for this and I can't because I'm not a concierge member.

People on here act as if they've never had to provide information for verification before. Get over it! I'm convinced that most of the complaining must be coming from minors, I can't imagine adults acting so absurdly and with so much paranoia.

This may send some of you packing. Sorry to see you go but have a nice life. This will NOT be the death of SL. If anything it will strengthen it. Sure, numbers will likely drop but better to have good strong numbers than the wishing washy meaningless numbers that exist today.

People in non US countries are complaining because they don't have Social Security numbers or providing certain types of numbers is illegal in their country. If you read the blog it states clearly that the type of verification required will differ for each country. It's possible that they've determined some countries its just too hard to verify and they anticipate seeing them go. That would really suck, but apparently the decision has been made.

Is an age verification system going to prevent all minors from adult content? Of course not. Plenty of minors drink underage, plenty of minors smoke underage, plenty of minors see pornography underage. Using the same logic that's being used here you might as well say "Just set all the booze and the porno and the cigs and whatever out on the lower shelves, after all we can't stop all of them anyway."

I've done my share of LL bitching in these forums but this is one of many things I've seen moving in the right direction recently. My faith is being restored.

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

You know, if it is possible to verify with minimal information, maybe it would be best to quietly close the browser on the topic, let LL have their plausible deniability, and get back to business as usual?

If you shout too loud, someone might hear you!

It's not that I don't want to give personal information to a site - and yes - I've done it before and will do it again. It's that this is a GAME. So, if I'm going to take chances with giving out my info, I'd much rather do it with Amazon, Comcast, Verizon, etc. where there is SOME accountability. With LL, there is absolutely NO accountability without going to court.

This is just a matter of reducing chances of problems. LL 's decision making process and accessibility does not fill me up with confidence.

Not that long ago, a government department in the UK did a survey to gauge public opinion about using the National Insurance Number (equivalent to the US SSN) to identify themselves on that department's website to access some web based services.

The response was that a significant proportion were not comfortable using a government supplied id to access a government department website; as a result the department respected the feelings of its customers and didn't proceed with this approach.

Matthew

But unfortunately the prevailing logic of parcel-based age verification is to pay Aristotle great piles of cash to build a shelf just out of Lil Johnnie's reach, ask every landowner to divine what every Lil Johnnie's mommy might find objectionable and move it to the shiny new shelf, and post a blog entry about the handy stool built into SL for climbing from shelf to shelf (with your cam). It's hardly worth Lil Johnnie's time to scam the IDV system, since all vices are within easy climbing distance anyway.

That would not be wise if you have adult content. A warning can come as a lawsuit....

lawsuit? in oz? not likely.

No people on here act as if they give information as they see fit. When I opened my bank account I had to take my passport in as ID. That information was legally required, protected by data protection laws and fit for purpose.

If LL want to do a transaction with my id verified bank account (like paypal do when confirming details) then I'm more than happy to do that.

If all they require is my name and address (and this information is available to reputable companies via the electoral register), then I'm happy to do that. You can't vote until you're 18 so that's plenty of information for them.




When a company are asking me for either my driving licence or passport number and I'm not at all sure they have any authority whatsoever to have access to such details, then I'm perfectly entitled to question why they're asking for that information.

Considering this is largely about trust, it would help if the people we're supposed to trust with our information would answer some questions on the issue.

Sure it is. Might get arrested and prosecuted for providing adult material to minors first however then sued by the parents. Don't under estimate your liability. Just because it is a virtual world doesn't make you any less above the RL law.

By using the identity check you resolve your liability to this as does LL. It is in YOUR best interest to use the tools. Authorities are already starting to crack down on this kind of stuff and already stepped in SL once. It is not worth taking the risk of prosecution is it?

Also this Aristotle already HAS your information so sending it in to get verified isn't giving them anything they already have access to. Otherwise how would they verify you?

If Aristotle already had our information we'd only need to provide name and address. Anyone with payment info on file could be verified right away with no need for extra information.

The idea that Aristotle have the national identity, passport, driving licence and social security numbers of residents in 152 countries around the world is alarming and I simply don't believe they do have these details at all.

youre talking about american law, not rl law. they are not the same thing.
if somebody filed a lawsuit in an australian court because some brat saw a poseball in an 18+ game the case would not only be thrown out of court, but the plaintiff could possibly be reprimanded for filing a frivolous suit.
stupid shit like that isnt very popular over here.
the worst thing that can ever possibly happen to me is myself getting banned from sl.

its VERY doubtful aristotle have much, if any, info on me at all.

Thank you, but did you have to quote the whole thing?

Yes, they could just use name and address.. But what good would that do? Anyone with a phone book could get verified using anyones information. The passport, SSN and drivers license significantly reduces the chances of false information. If you think they do not have access to this information I would think again.

http://integrity.aristotle.com/index.php_option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=46.html


They obviously have access to the governments databases.

Well if I'm payment info verified and my name and address that Integrity already have match the payment info LL have, then it's me. No need for further information.

The data processors for the UK passport service are:

* Siemens Business Services – our partner involved in recording passport applications onto the system;
* Security Printing and Systems Limited – our partner printing passports;
* MMTeleperformance – our contact centre contractor;
* Secure Mail Service – our partner delivering passports by secure delivery.

Care to tell me which one of those are Integrity Aristotle and that's without even getting into which pieces of information the above companies have access to.

I dont get the big worry over camming

a Kid can get more porn than on SL by just clicking "yes I am 18"


The adult stuff thats really the issue is the cybersex between adults and minors. And the resulting complications.

Actually, a lot of their actions of late seem to have a "shoot yourself in the foot" mentality...so I would rethink that statement...

Nina if you have ANY ID cards they have info on you. When you were born all that data is now in government databases and these people claim to have access to it. Also do not underestimate the porn laws in the USA. It is becoming a very seriously taken objective. Pose balls are not the main issue. There is a ton of RL porn in SL. Giving access to adult material to underage people is not something that will get thrown out of court.

If you don't want to verify that is your choice and your risk. Unless you have a popular adult place or someone busts you trading porn then I would doubt anything would happen to you. However I doubt anyone that wants to risk prosecution will leave the adult flag unchecked on their property.