Age Verification is here!!

Point is in order to be able the compare the last four they must have the whole number. Otherwise the last four is vitually useless to establish identity.

Well the only thing you can say for sure is that they have the last 4 OR they have access to look it up real time. That's the point a lot of people are missing. You are not GIVING them info they don't have. They have it or have access to it already.

This isn't true - it is extremely unlikely that Integrity have any existing information (partial or otherwise) for UK national insurance numbers (it requires parliament permission to share this database with other UK government departments!). Yet, it is possible to enter this information on the form LL currently provide for verification.

Matthew

getting sick of hearing this. you ASSUME they have all the info in the world on me. banks, hospitals, courts, utilities, etc do not require the information that many people here are insisting that they do.

The last four digits of a US citizens SSN are a lot different to me giving them my complete passport or driving licence number. They probably do have access to confirm US SSN's, but the passport numbers of people all around the world? Come on, if they had those details they wouldn't be asking for the full number.

If this information was being passed around as freely as some people suggest, then ipso facto it isn't any good for verifying identity!

Matthew

To be honest the existing precautions are better than the new system:

A passport number, id card number etc. only identifies the passport or id card itself and associated records but not the person in possession of the number, in the same way that a credit card number only identifies the credit card account not the possessor of the number. It is the photograph or other biometric on the passport or id card which verifies the identity of the holder. As this isn't being used a passport number or id card number is no better than a credit card number in identifying the bearer.

Giving false information when registering for SL via the current system is no different in the eyes of the law and the ToS than giving false information when age verifying.

Use of a credit card has an audit trail readily accessible by the credit card account holder - namely the statement. Fraudalent use of a credit card to gain "payment info used" status can be spotted from the credit card statement by the real holder of the card. Fraudalent use of a passport number or id card to gain "age verified" status has no such audit trace. This also applies to minors with their own credit cards - the parent should have a parental and perhaps even legal responsibility to monitor the credit cards statements.

A minor who is prepared to "borrow" a parents credit card to gain access to SL is unlikely to worry about borrowing a passport. On the other hand, a minor who may be reluctant to use a parents credit card without permission (it may be spotted on the parents credit card statement and it is after all tantamount to theft which in the eyes of the parent may be a worse crime than accessing adult material), may have less qualms about using a passport or driving license number.

Matthew

Found this in another thread. Go to the following page:



Click on your continent and then hover the mouse over your country and it will tell you which information is required for id verification and which information is only suggested.

In the UK for example, Name, address and date of birth are the only required forms of id, which confirms why we can verify without inputting our passport or driving licence numbers.

That's like they have some sort of God Power, saying they have this information on everyone around the world. Now if you said they have a lot of information on a lot of people then that would more than likely be true.

It is possible that they want these forms of identification given over so they have more information than they originally had on you.

So why are they asking for it? And they have been saying they were going to be asking for it from UK residents since this all blew up? It all points to my little (admittedly paranoid, hell my middle name is Cynical) feeling that this is all about giving juicy data to Aristotle for a fee. If Aristotle knew this was the only requirement from day one, who gave the idea to LL to ask for Passport/DL details?

imogen
puzzled paranoia

A very good question Imogen. My main beef with the process was giving out my driving licence or passport number, when some people said they'd verified without providing those pieces of information I decided to give it a go and it worked.

Now seeing that this information is only suggested, I'd say that they first check the electoral register and if you're not on that, then they'll need the extra information. They'd then have to get in touch with someone who can check this information and as its been provided voluntarily, you've given permission for it to be checked I guess.

I doubt that many paying customers would object to giving over their name, address and date of birth because LL already have this information. Some would because they don't trust Integrity or Aristotle but that's a side issue for me. The information I've provided can be found by them if they want to find it.

Very useful, thankies .

Looks like it's full name, ZIP code, date of birth and phone as "required" for me, and driver's license, passport or national ID numbers all "optional".

(Looks like most of Europe is a "free-for-all" )

(I can't even find a country that has any kind of ID as "required" )

Which isn't surprising - in most EU countries the rules over who have access to such databases outside government are pretty stringent!

It would be interesting if a concierge member within the EU who hasn't verified could check if you can with just name, postcode and date of birth. If they can then that is verification with less information than a payment verified account!

Matthew

For my state they dont really have any information filled out =/


Of course - maybe thate why they want it ..

Nice one Ciaran - thank you very much!

As Kitty notes a couple of posts further on, residents of many countries are only required to provide first name, last name, postal code and date of birth - not even an address. However, additional information is required for some of South America, much of Africa and parts of Asia. Oh, and poor old Canadians are required to give a phone number!

All SL residents should be made aware of this, since many will no doubt hand over information that is only suggested, without knowing that it's not required (there is evidence in these forums of this having already happened).

What is listed as required for me would be agreeable, if it becomes necessary in my view to verify. As for what is suggested, they can do what for with their suggestion.

Wierd, I don't recall seeing a 'phone number' field on the verification form, and I certainly didn't provide one.

On the other hand, who knows how it will pan out once it gets out of beta.

-Atashi

My money's on badly.

Whoops, I'm not allowed to wager, am I!

Matthew

I bet you are right!

I know that LL has said that none of the supplied information will be be retained, but knowing LL's penchant for obscuration and not being very forthcoming... well

From Aristotle/Inregrity requirement map page, just in case no one paid any attention to it.

Users in North America only have to supply (someone's) name, postal code and date of birth? How is this identity verification? lol

Well the UK passport office have replied to me and told me that Integrity Aristotle are not authorised to check UK passport numbers but that they could use a MRZ reader to check details to try and confirm. However this can't be the case as the MRZ reader is a physical check of the passport.

Has anyone looked at the sample UK data on Aristotles website. It show total population as 60,609.157 but people with mobile phones as 61,091,000.
I think that pretty much proves that their data is garbage.

It would be interesting to know what database they are using to check names, postcodes and date of birth.

For instance, according to this page, it is very unlikely they have access to the full electoral register, and some 30% of people opt out of the edited version:

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/your-vote/access.cfm

"copies can only be supplied for certain purposes, such as elections and law enforcement. Credit reference agencies are also allowed to use the full register, but only to check your name and address if you are applying for credit, and to help stop 'money laundering'"

As regards the National Insurance Number - here's the list of uses to which the Department of Works and Pensions/Customs and Revenues can put their data to (the National Insurance Number is generated by the Department of Works and Pensions):

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/asd/longitudinal_study/WPLS_Uses.pdf

(a distinct lack of identity verification for online games though )

However, Integrity could validate the format of the National Insurance Number

see http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/gdsc/html/frames/NationalInsuranceNumber-2-1-Release.htm

(also useful for anyone wanting to generate a likely looking number...)

Matthew

I went to the Aristotle Cosmos site and was surprised that 3 pieces of ID, DOB and postal code was required for my country. What is funny is that we have no such thing as postal codes here.

They need my PP#, my DL# and my ID#. Luckily I learned to drive 3 years ago and that I have to travel abroad for work!

So, unlike most of the other countries' requirements I examined on the website, which if I lived there, I would have no problem providing. I find mine very invasive. I guess my 5 alts will start to live PG lifestyles very soon