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Argent Stonecutter
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06-24-2009 12:48
From: Milla Janick
If the owner of the beach in question restricted access to only group members, and did not show it in search, there would be a pretty good claim that it was private. We may see a lot more bankines soon.
I would move to Zindra LONG before I'd put up banlines or any other such evil.
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Viktoria Dovgal
Join date: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 3,593
06-24-2009 12:49
From: Argent Stonecutter
You assert that it always had to be enclosed. I don't recall seeing that provision any time between 2005 and now, and I have certainly never seen it enforced... even on parcels adjacent to PG sims.


The specific wording was back there in 2004, "Textures that would not be allowable on PG sims must be on private property and not be visible outside the property.". The "ctained within" language came in shortly after that, it was obsoleted by the wider variety of content like animations that were becoming possible for residents to use.

From: someone
Even under "residence"? Renting an apartment doesn't make it public.

It's public while it is being advertised for rent, yes. When I've rented on mainland, I didn't get to show the land in search unless I forked over the additional 30L a week. Thre are other parcels ("rental office" spots and so on) to do the advertising.

From: someone
It doesn't matter if the change was announced in 2009, 2008, or 2007, it's still a *change*.

But it's far far to late to bitch and whine and feign shock and play sophist games over definitions.
Argent Stonecutter
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06-24-2009 13:03
So you're talking about language that was in use five years ago, and was obsoleted and abandoned when it was barely out of beta?

From: Viktoria Dovgal

It's public while it is being advertised for rent, yes.
In a vertically arranged apartment building, where some apartments are for rent while others on the same parcel are occupied?

Yes, there are such arrangements. I lived in one for a while when I was new to SL and didn't know any better.

Yes, there's workarounds, but people who don't even know there's a need for workarounds are going to get screwed.
From: someone
But it's far far to late to bitch and whine and feign shock and play sophist games over definitions.
Um, pointing out that things have changed for people who aren't businesses isn't "bitching and whining and feigning shock".

As for it being "too late", that's why we've been working on getting the definitions fixed since March. And we DID get them changed. They're still not clear (and no matter how much you whine about it, they *aren't* clear) but they're better than they used to be.

Oh, and the G Team is all about playing sophist games over definitions.
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Feldspar Millgrove
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Join date: 16 Nov 2006
Posts: 372
06-24-2009 18:33
From: Milla Janick
If the owner of the beach in question restricted access to only group members, and did not show it in search, there would be a pretty good claim that it was private.


I am unaware of any process guaranteed by LL in which a "claim" of any sort would be useful, outside of an expensive RL court proceeding. The entire situation is a FUD-laden clusterfuck in my opinion.
Feldspar Millgrove
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Join date: 16 Nov 2006
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06-24-2009 18:36
From: Viktoria Dovgal
It's public while it is being advertised for rent, yes.


These are all very nice personal theories of yours. But you do realize that's all they are, right? Your personal interpretation of how you would see things and wish that the Lindens would see them.
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