Mainlanders: Do you feel like you have been pushed aside?

Nice to see some positive voices chirping up

And, this suggests that creative people can do a lot on mature land (and PG land). We don't need to be dressed in skimpies all the time for it to get interesting.

You can still be dressed in skimpies in mature land. Heck, nude even, as long as you're not getting your brain bonked out there in the open.

Yes there is. The restrictions are NOT just on businesses, and that's assuming the restrictions as implemented by the G team are no harsher than the ones described by Blondin.

Zindra. A new continent built on the belief that you can build roads along sim edges and then, when people fall through the cracks, put weird barriers down the middle of the roads instead of moving them.

Zindra. A continent with no shoreline for sale.

Zindra. A continent where they can make all kinds of new mistakes without fixing the old ones.

They really don't seem to want people to actually move there.

/me hugs her (Mature) 512 parcel. =^-^=

I'm making the best of what little land I have. I didn't buy it to sell it. It supports my store, home, and little private play area. It may be devalued in monetary terms, but, I wouldn't give it up for the world. (^_^)y

You are free to do whatever you want in your private grounds. However if the place is a free-for-all venture, sure there are restrictions on shoot-em-ups, sex clubs and free orgy rooms, even non-profit places. (Believe it or not, that actually makes sense to me...)



Maybe they expect all the fancy stuff to go into skyboxes anyway...?

Did I ever Mention that there is too much land?


There is TRUly too much land and the more Land gets added without a real demand for more, the more BORING this game gets.

The more Boring a Game is, the less players will play it.


As for being pushed aside? No.. I think I am the center of it. I sit and pay more tier than its worth which seems to be the strategy..

I do not think it has anything to do with adult filtering, it was just a brilliant excuse to add more continents even though there is no demand..

I prefer mainland for my home. It was created with an eye to landscape. When I first came to sl, I bought my land in Mimas from earnings IN sl. I remember it cost 24 thousand. The side of Mimas Mountain. Then I bought in Chaska - in the gorge. We used to havea lot of traffic flying through. It's noot the land that's problematic, its people who use it. It's so commercial now.
I can still use my land that is mature for "marital relations" (please note my Personal Guidance langauge). We have space and we're private.
I really think Mainland will be worth something again one day. Zindra is a lot of hoopla. I can visit it (and use it for my toyboyz and fun) but I wouldnt really wanna live in it - it would be a bit like buying a condo in a whorehouse.

So long as your private grounds are in a skybox, surrounded by a megaprim box, or you don't consider outside areas of your parcel to be your private grounds.

I've always just owned mainland - my home has been in Yosu for most of my two and a half years plus in SL.

Recently mainland has got a bit better, with the disappearance of most ad lots and sky junk. There's still some around, plus of course all the ugly builds, houses hovering 30 metres above the ground and horrible megaprim tree screens, but things have got better.

Mainland has been pretty cheap for a long time now - when I joined in Sept 2006 the minimum was something like L$15 per sq metre - now the minimum is about L$2.7 per sq metre!

I don't think mainlanders have been neglected. Most of the problems on mainland are caused not by LL but by other residents doing things that are just within bounds the TOS, so they can get away with it.

I agree when it's like intrusive builds on another boundary etc.

Reference for that, please. Because so far I have only seen residents make such references, for "being on the safe side".

See Argent, I'm right! They've taken all the 6 years worth of lessons learned on how to completely annoy us and implemented them in Zindra! Genius!

Indeed, just bought a 592 (water land like much of the continent) in Heterocera. Linden protected water on two sides. Graet place to dock a coupe of boats.

Price was $L2,000

Yes Argent. If I read the new definitions correctly, I will have to take down a picture I have on my wall. A framed black and white period photo of a burlesque queen. You can see her naked tush and one breast. Photo-realistic as they say. If I leave her up, I face the prospect of being AR'd by someone, who of course had no business spying into my dwelling anyway.

I am thinking that it is a good thing that toggle ban line view has been added to the new viewer. I am expecting to experience more of them, and may have to use them myself for the first time.

Like what?

Blondin has said that it's OK to have a nude beach, but not OK to have sex balls on it. He's said that "non-sexual" nudity is OK outside. He's said that you don't have to have any kind of formal business, even word of mouth could be considered advertising. He's said that if you have a party on your land, and guests use your sex balls, you could be in trouble. He's repeatedly defined "private" in terms of "inside buildings" or "in skyboxes".

I quoted and linked some of these on the wiki.secondlife.com "Adult Content" page.
See above.

Went to look at them, and honestly? I think you might be interpreting them more restrictive than they are meant to be.

We'll see how this all turns out though. Maybe I'm getting it wrong.

The way I'm interpreting them is less restrictive than the definitions were when we started. I don't know if anyone cached a copy of the first and second drafts of KB6010, but they would be a good starting point.

That's pretty well the way I understand it. No more naughties outside, everything has to be inside. It's all very much consenting adults in private.

The original 6010 was so restrictive that Carl Metropolitan had a real fear that NCI would have to move to mature because they couldn't comply and this original 6010 is being used as the standard for sl6b and I assume will continue to be used for all future LL events.

Well...

I don't have any sympathy for people who feel the 'linden cost value' of their existing land is getting hurt by this. I do have sympathy for people who are going to be forced to move their plots and redesign them to match new layouts.

I'm also fearing a lot of people in Mature land will try to get to Zindra and use it as a mature spot. I plan to organize to push them back to mainland.

Its in their interests to be there anyway... there will be a LOT more land there, so land prices on mainland will stay cheaper. Its in the desperate interests of adult-content providers to push them out. Zindra is smaller, and Adult simply isn't allowed to go anywhere else.

I think this change is going to hurt Adult providers a lot more than it hurts anyone else. I suspect most of the people who want to be left alone to do as they wish with their plot will be best served staying on Mainland under mature - but think otherwise.
- They'll get to Zindra and they'll find themselves neighbors with giant 50-foot genitals going at it in adverts, and sex pose balls right on the borders of their 'nice mature clothing boutiques'

By contrast, people on mainland will no longer have to deal with that same issue, and may suddenly find themselves possessing nice views of forests, beaches, or what have you, followed by the slow build up of more like minded neighbors.

So I have a worry that some people will simply find there is no land on the Grid left at all for their type of content.

Over on Zindra, mature and adult providers will be locked in a feud over limited resources for some time to come - only ending when mature pushes adult off of the Grid all-together, or enough of them go back to mainland to let adult providers have enough space to meet demand, let alone enough to fill current existing adult content.

Linden Labs has extra Zindra to roll out, so its in your interests to get as much demand for Zindra land as possible so Linden Labs rolls out as much as possible.

I have sympathy for anybody whose business or private SL enjoyment is adversely affected by the changes. I think there's been enough us-and-them on recent threads. It would be great to see people cooperating - for example, perhaps doing small parcel swaps between mature and adult stores so that both can make the best use of search.

Also, if Zindra was wall-to-wall sex venues nobody would be able to move. The lag there is terrible already, and it's still empty. It might be a good idea for there to be some residential parcels, parks etc. to break it up a bit.

The "inside" rule isn't even new, that's always been there. Once upon a time the community standards spelled out that this meant adult stuff had to be invisible from oputside the parcel, then the lawyers got a hold of it and muddied up the wording to "contained within private land". Apart from the new advertising restrictions, the only major change to mature land is that the rules are once again understandable by mere mortals.

Ah that explains a lot of the confusion I was having. Why did the lawyers do that?