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Dana Hickman
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06-23-2009 18:38
From: Clarissa Lowell
I agree prices will continue dropping. Yet people are still asking exorbitant sums. Not unlike the real life market - some people want to sell for more than they bought for, no matter what.

You are not wrong there. I see a lot of inflated prices around. Most notably was a mainland island, something around 1500m I think (rare.. yes, but not eden by any means) I saw a few days ago for sale at around 200K+. That's just nutz.


From: Ian Nider
For me it's not the monetary value but the loss of rights. If I could afford it I'd get an estate or island thing but no way I can.

Yes definately. Won't know for SURE until all this happens and I can judge firsthand, but it really seems that most of the unpredictable, raw, wild west attitude will be gone from the mainland mature areas. That's what they wanted so yeah.. but it still sux. I'd love to be able to afford an island.
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06-23-2009 19:05
From: Dana Hickman
You are not wrong there. I see a lot of inflated prices around. Most notably was a mainland island, something around 1500m I think (rare.. yes, but not eden by any means) I saw a few days ago for sale at around 200K+. That's just nutz.



Yes definately. Won't know for SURE until all this happens and I can judge firsthand, but it really seems that most of the unpredictable, raw, wild west attitude will be gone from the mainland mature areas. That's what they wanted so yeah.. but it still sux. I'd love to be able to afford an island.



Totally! They are 1 or 2 hundred a month or something, it's insane prices. LL if your watching, smaller or cheaper ones would make you a mint!
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Angelique LaFollette
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06-23-2009 19:09
From: Jannae Karas
Hey all,

I'm a mainland girl. In one avi or another I own mainland going back a long ways. Mature land. I invested lots of hard earned real cash into building up my bits of the old continents of Sansara and Heterocera. Fought border wars with a** holes and land cutters, restored horribly cut up parcels and endured through all.

Now with an imperial decree, all of that seems to be useless. My land will soon be worthless.

I am seeing once sought after parcels sitting yellow at bargain basement prices, purple parcels everywhere, and it will only get worse when the adult content folks dump their land for next to nothing after getting the free ride to Zindra (not blaming them, so don't go there).

Needed to rant, sorry 'bout that. Feeling unloved by the governor.

So, I guess this is One aspect of Isolating Adult content that people neglected to take into Consideration. The Presence of the Adult content sites on the Main Continent actually Bouyed up Land Prices.

Maybe Now would be a Good time to Buy land for my Jazz club?

Angel.
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Jannae Karas
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06-23-2009 19:20
From: Dana Hickman
You are not wrong there. I see a lot of inflated prices around. Most notably was a mainland island, something around 1500m I think (rare.. yes, but not eden by any means) I saw a few days ago for sale at around 200K+. That's just nutz.



Yes definately. Won't know for SURE until all this happens and I can judge firsthand, but it really seems that most of the unpredictable, raw, wild west attitude will be gone from the mainland mature areas. That's what they wanted so yeah.. but it still sux. I'd love to be able to afford an island.


Yes. There there are more than a few overpriced parcels, but a patient hunter can find some real deals out there right now. Seeing some waterland and water front going down under $L10 per sq. m., and I just snagged some with double Linden protected water for around $L3 per sq. m. Pays to look at all that land for sale just above the bot frenzy threshold price.

Summer is always the best time to shop for land, and this summer looks like it will be even better than the summer that they killed casinos.
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Dana Hickman
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06-23-2009 19:20
From: Ian Nider
Totally! They are 1 or 2 hundred a month or something, it's insane prices. LL if your watching, smaller or cheaper ones would make you a mint!

LMAO! They don't care about all us small money peons... if they did then they never woulda caused the openspace fiasco, and would drop the requirement of owning a full island before you could buy one of the lesser estate products. I've been hoping they'de wise up and release a 1/8th full region private island for ages, not holding my breath though.
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Dana Hickman
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06-23-2009 19:24
From: Jannae Karas
Yes. There there are more than a few overpriced parcels, but a patient hunter can find some real deals out there right now.

Oh most definately. Someone bought the parcel next to my house in an auction and immediately put it back up for sale... and it's still less than i originally paid for half that amount of land :rolleyes:
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Jannae Karas
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06-23-2009 19:32
From: Angelique LaFollette
So, I guess this is One aspect of Isolating Adult content that people neglected to take into Consideration. The Presence of the Adult content sites on the Main Continent actually Bouyed up Land Prices.

Maybe Now would be a Good time to Buy land for my Jazz club?
Angel.
Angel.


That is one way to look at it. Adult content in general makes the acquisition of land more attractive to many people.

As Elanthius noted, land prices have been reeling due to many factors. Having a lot of new land opening, coupled with the forced move and the need for many to dump their existing mature parcels, may cause a land glut that will at least temporarily cause the floor to fall out of all land that isn't located on Zindra.

Probably best to save up your $L for now unless you see a place that you really like. Recently picked up my dreamland ( close to 4096 in size)for around $L8 per sq. m. Has ocean front (void dammit) but also a nice Linden water river runs through it.

Just saw a similiar parcel go next door for a lot less, and go figure there are some 512's on the beach priced at over $L10,000.
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Ian Nider
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06-23-2009 19:46
From: Dana Hickman
LMAO! They don't care about all us small money peons... if they did then they never woulda caused the openspace fiasco, and would drop the requirement of owning a full island before you could buy one of the lesser estate products. I've been hoping they'de wise up and release a 1/8th full region private island for ages, not holding my breath though.



They are silly, there are so many of us... I'd buy it if they made it.
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Marcush Nemeth
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06-23-2009 22:48
Just wondering what's next, to fill up all the empty spaces.
Option 1: Wait for paying residents who do not use their land allowance to grab some
Option 2: Wait for new residents to get a paid account and grab some land
Option 3: Relocate residents & merge sims, delete the empty ones
Option 4: Increase the amount of allowed land for paying residents by 50-100%
Option 5: Improve or repair landscaping on unoccupied plots.

#1 and #2 are the most probable, but if too much land remains barren, then LL will certainly have to do something to make it look more inviting.
Option #3 would be rather crude, and would probably result in an uproar.
Option #4 would be rather expensive, since server bills still have to be paid, and how many residents would a sim require to be profitable?
Option #5 would be expensive in that it would require a group of developers to polish things up. But, existing residents would definitely appreciate it if roads were finished, some lands were "unflattened" and some trees and maybe even new buildings were added around the place.
Jannae Karas
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06-23-2009 22:53
From: Marcush Nemeth
Just wondering what's next, to fill up all the empty spaces.
Option 1: Wait for paying residents who do not use their land allowance to grab some
Option 2: Wait for new residents to get a paid account and grab some land
Option 3: Relocate residents & merge sims, delete the empty ones
Option 4: Increase the amount of allowed land for paying residents by 50-100%
Option 5: Improve or repair landscaping on unoccupied plots.

#1 and #2 are the most probable, but if too much land remains barren, then LL will certainly have to do something to make it look more inviting.
Option #3 would be rather crude, and would probably result in an uproar.
Option #4 would be rather expensive, since server bills still have to be paid, and how many residents would a sim require to be profitable?
Option #5 would be expensive in that it would require a group of developers to polish things up. But, existing residents would definitely appreciate it if roads were finished, some lands were "unflattened" and some trees and maybe even new buildings were added around the place.


Option 6: Raise tier and drive away what's left of the premium accounts.
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06-23-2009 23:13
From: Jannae Karas
Option 6: Raise tier and drive away what's left of the premium accounts.


Option 7: There are no empty spaces. Every parcel (barring any that LL just haven't bothered selling yet) is owned. All that yellow land? Someone is paying tier on that and that person is simply /choosing/ not to sell it by keeping the price too high.

Until the day that you can set a parcel for sale for L$1 and no-one buys it there will never be unowned mainland.
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06-24-2009 02:37
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
Option 7: There are no empty spaces. Every parcel (barring any that LL just haven't bothered selling yet) is owned. All that yellow land? Someone is paying tier on that and that person is simply /choosing/ not to sell it by keeping the price too high.
And that person is often a land baron. Hi!

It's the purple land and the uncolored land that isn't purple yet that you need to keep an eye on, but how do you keep an eye on abandoned land that hasn't gone into the auction queue yet?
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06-24-2009 02:40
From: Argent Stonecutter
And that person is often a land baron. Hi!


It's true though, but ultimately land barons don't create demand for land so eventually they have to succumb to the Almighty Market.
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Soar Wingtips
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06-24-2009 03:45
When is the date for submitting your claims?
Ella Steamweaver
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06-24-2009 03:51
Someone near where I rent is selling 512 sqm on protected water for L$160,000 lol. I assume they will reduce it to a realistic figure if they really want to sell it.
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06-24-2009 03:53
From: Soar Wingtips
When is the date for submitting your claims?


they say the June 29 on the blog..
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06-24-2009 03:56
From: Argent Stonecutter
And that person is often a land baron. Hi!

It's the purple land and the uncolored land that isn't purple yet that you need to keep an eye on, but how do you keep an eye on abandoned land that hasn't gone into the auction queue yet?



The Abandon process seems to have changed a while back to amend the name and description to the form
"Abandoned Land"
"Land abandoned by name on dd-mmm-yyyy"

Scan sims for parcels like that.

I picked up a 384m parcel like that at L$1/m. It adjoined 2 boundaries of one of my places. I noticed the description and submitted a ticket asking for it.

LL might fast track a bigger parcel to the Auction queue
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06-24-2009 04:09
From: Sling Trebuchet
LL might fast track a bigger parcel to the Auction queue
Or they might simply leave them out of the queue to avoid triggering a purple panic. :D
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06-24-2009 04:10
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
It's true though, but ultimately land barons don't create demand for land so eventually they have to succumb to the Almighty Market.
Nod. As was demonstrated when the first land bubble burst..
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06-24-2009 05:14
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
Option 7: There are no empty spaces. Every parcel (barring any that LL just haven't bothered selling yet) is owned. All that yellow land? Someone is paying tier on that and that person is simply /choosing/ not to sell it by keeping the price too high.

Until the day that you can set a parcel for sale for L$1 and no-one buys it there will never be unowned mainland.
Right, but we really don't know how much land is out there that is not abandoned, not paying tier to LL, but just not reclaimed yet. They let Premium accounts run for some time (30 days?) before closing them, but I've seen land owned by accounts that had been closed for months. So, in addition to throttling the rate of abandoned land going to auction, LL can slow the rate of reclaiming land belonging to defunct accounts.

The point is that it's difficult to estimate how much non-producing land is on Linden inventory, and it's more than the sum of the Abandoned parcels and those that already have Auction IDs assigned. If the Governor has been metering out that inventory to auction, she has some ability to prevent market free-fall by further reducing that flow--whatever it is.

I can't guess if land barons will have enough enthusiasm for Mature Mainland to keep that market from crashing below L$1/m2 during the Zindra swap interval. Which raises a question: how smart are land-buying bots? Do they check the parcel perimeter for adjacent or nearby Linden protected land? (I'm thinking that there will be desperate selling of some pretty appealing properties, and wondering if there are "smarter" bots that can stay in the market for good stuff and let the other stuff slide to competitors.)
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06-24-2009 05:51
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
Option 7: There are no empty spaces. Every parcel (barring any that LL just haven't bothered selling yet) is owned. All that yellow land? Someone is paying tier on that and that person is simply /choosing/ not to sell it by keeping the price too high.

Until the day that you can set a parcel for sale for L$1 and no-one buys it there will never be unowned mainland.


Owned land is often empty as well.
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06-24-2009 05:54
From: Jannae Karas
Owned land is often empty as well.


OK, good point. Which group is most guilty of owning land and leaving it empty? Probably land barons. So if you want to decrease the amount of /empty/ land you probably have to stop people wanting to buy it just so they can resell it.

I guess I never thought about it before but maybe people in this thread and elsewhere in SL actually do dislike empty land. Personally I love to see a huge expanse of empty land.
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Jannae Karas
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06-24-2009 06:02
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
OK, good point. Which group is most guilty of owning land and leaving it empty? Probably land barons. So if you want to decrease the amount of /empty/ land you probably have to stop people wanting to buy it just so they can resell it.

I guess I never thought about it before but maybe people in this thread and elsewhere in SL actually do dislike empty land. Personally I love to see a huge expanse of empty land.


Of course some land baron types love to put huge for sale things (on the ground now thank God) on every 512 in a cut 1/4 sim.
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06-24-2009 06:18
From: Jannae Karas
Of course some land baron types love to put huge for sale things (on the ground now thank God) on every 512 in a cut 1/4 sim.


Well, even if they're on the ground you're technically not allowed more than 50 for sale signs so it's not the really serious land barons doing this.
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Lizz Silverstar
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06-24-2009 06:42
I have a nice 8k plot on the mainland. While my adult activities there are strictly private this change will affect me as well. I can see no real distinction stated about private land. By the way things are worded I could be AR'd for my paintings, sex-bed, nearly anything "adult" I have on my land.

So.....
Up went the banlines. I white listed my land. This I did as a bit of insurance, my land is no longer "Allow public access". I am leaving my security orb running too. And once this starts in a serious way, I have a huge cube I will rez over my land, that way it is ALL inside.. It will be ugly as sin, but I am not making the rules, just protecting myself and my way of life here.

I expect to see more and more of this.. The mainland dotted with big megaprim cubes and banlines, so that everyone's land is "private" and "inside a building".
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