Mainlanders: Do you feel like you have been pushed aside?

Mainland is where I am and mainland is where I will stay. It's a buyers market, I've picked up a little bit more land myself as a matter of fact, and am considering adding to my pg parcel as well, since I have some tier left.

If so it's never been enforced by the G-team. Like, EVER. Even for builds visible from PG land.

I can't see any one being "pushed off the grid". I don't want to bring "why mainland vs. islands" into this thread, but do remember that islands (80% of the grid) still exist. If there is a temporary shortage of any one land rating, why wouldn't businesses and even residents band together to buy islands, until enough mainland of that rating has rolled out? This has already happened rather massively, grid-wide.

Islands with racy content have already quietly begun flipping their rating to Adult.
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The Lindens have stated they'll build as much adult land as there is demand for. There is considerably more (something like 500 regions) to Zindra than is currently visible on the map.

I would think variety would be healthy and desirable. Without something to break up wall to wall sex clubs, how long will it be until they start strangling each other out of business?

That's kind of typical Lindenese, at least from a couple of years ago. They were kind of on a kick to take specific wordings out of rules to counter gaming. All they did in this case was water it down so hopelessly that no one really understood what they were supposed to do (what does "contained" really mean?).

I definitely remember reading it somewhere. I think it was around the time of the shop-your-broadly-offensive-neighbour announcement. That's probably why it was never enforced - I don't think many people were willing to AR their neighbours for stuff they wouldn't have done otherwise. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if ARs went DOWN following that announcement (which sort of gives me hope for the current situation).

I have a wonderful plot at Larrson and I am seriously considering buying at least 1/4 of mainland sim to move our home to. We need to free up the space on our estate so we can expand our business. After both of having been burned by the openspace/homestead fiasco, mainland is starting to look like a viable option, especially land very close to the ocean.

Right. And when all is said and done, I really expect that things will continue going on pretty much the same way, nothing will be touched unless there are gang ARs or it's in search. And ultimately only the keyword filters will make much of a difference because it's automated.

ohhh! so it's deliberate? I thought they were just incompetent. Hahahahaha silly me!

Is it in their interests to remain stuck with the unverified griefers, who likely will NOT risk making a Verified account to spread their chaos? If I lived on the Mainland, I would not stay there now. I would move to an Adult-rated private sim if I could, or to Zindra, simply because 99% of the griefers will NOT be there.

i see zindra as ll's means to 'start over'.
i reckon they saw old mainland, realised they got it wrong, and wanted to start over, this time acting more like estate managers than in the past.

I think people will be surprised how many ugly clubs and stuff stay on the mainland. And conversely, how many other types of "Adult" places there are besides laggy strip clubs. There are role play environments, castles (with dungeons of course), sprawling Victorian estates used as brothels (with a very low avatar to space ratio - not really a "club" type thing at all), giant alien laboratories - and of course, plain old shops.

Someone earlier suggested that "Zindra was the only place to go". As of last count, there are as many Private Estate adult sims as there are Zindra ones. And private estate ones are probably even more prepared to just flick a switch and make some of their "border lands" change from Mature to Adult to meet the demand right up to the minute (at least any of them that are smart and want to capitalize on the surge, anyway).

There are a lot more places to go than Zindra. And in many cases, it works out to being cheaper than mainland - especially when it comes to smaller parcels for shops and whatnot. $10 a month plus $5 a month gets you 217 prims on the mainland/Zindra. For $15 a month, you can (often) get almost twice that on an estate. As your size goes up, mainland is cheaper, but as mentioned - it's a free-for-all and you have less control over your neighbors. There WILL be clubs on Zindra, for sure. And you'll find many adult sims out on the estates with strict building codes, no-club rules and lots of other stuff that will make it desireable. There are plenty of options out there.

Pussycat Catnap:

Well...

I don't have any sympathy for people who feel the 'linden cost value' of their existing land is getting hurt by this. I do have sympathy for people who are going to be forced to move their plots and redesign them to match new layouts...

The "linden cost value" represents actual hard earned cash invested into building up the mainland. Everyone that owns some rental land is not a land baron out to flip parcels. I sympathize with everyone affected by this foolish change, but some of those moving have already figured out how to game this in a manner that will just hurt land values even more.

I expect an increase in the use of ban lines on non-Zindra mainland parcels, as owners protect themselves from griefers and strangers. You will probably see the white list option used frequently.

No, I myself don't feel pushed aside as I can still hopefully get my kink on at home, in private. I DO feel that a number of freedoms for those who bought into mature land have been stolen and will be missed. I'll probably have to remove some of my skybox content though, as several items are *explicitly AO* in nature.
The idea that renting private estate land is an *equal* alternative to buying land in Zindra is at best a misconception, at worse just flat out false. It may be a "viable" or "doable" option for those willing to take the risk, but there's tons out there that own their own mainland because they will not rent from other residents.. as a matter of concern, or principle.

One of the very, very, very, very, very, very, few pros with the adult content plan is that we should see fewer griefers on zindra..

I'll bet you see more.

Why?

Well, couple of things.

Firstly, land prices aren't really any lower now than they were a week or two ago. I mean, maybe we lost 10% or something, but nothing too serious.

At this point I wouldn't exactly say there's too much land. After all, all land is owned. It would be highly unusual if I tried to sell a parcel for L$1 and no-one bought it. Until we get to the point where no-one will buy land at all then I suppose there's still room for more.

On the other hand I do think prices will collapse under the weight of all these new sims. And all you idiots claiming that I'm only saying this as part of some incredible secret plan to drive down prices and buy low remember the second part of that plan has to be to sell it later at a higher price. There's no reason whatsoever why prices will ever go up again. The only way prices will go up is if the land mass decreases or if the population increases. Neither of those things are likely any time in the near future.

When it comes to land prices I don't think it will matter at all how pretty the mainland becomes. We already saw that eliminating ad farms and parcel cutting has not increased prices, at best you could say they are flat but more realistically land prices have slid steadily downwards the entire year.

As for Zindra, I suppose prices will be high initially because demand will be very high and supply very low. A lot of club owners that got swapped out to Zindra will sell their land immediately for immense profits to savvy land traders who will make their own profits selling the land for it's real value. Hopefully LL will keep rolling out Zindra sims until prices come down to sensible levels but they may not.

Because it'll attract them, and it won't take griefers long to figure out how to make anonymous throwaway accounts that can access adult regions.

There are some buttons just waiting to be pushed, and some griefers are gonna start pushing them.

How much abandoned land is there? Does anyone keep track of that?

Sure there's a lot of abandoned land but the only reason no-one owns it is because LL haven't set it for sale yet.

they already know how!

Or LL could redo tier... But, yeah, like you said, not likely.


A lot of stuff happened sorta at once - ad farm policy, land cutter policy, openspace pricing policy, RL global economic collapse - followed sorta closely by new bot policy and adult content policy. I'm sure I'm probably missing some, too.

I think too many things have happened in the last 9 months or so to see much in the way of trends. It could well be that mainland would have increased if they hadn't done the openspace and adult content stuff.


Heh.. Using "LL" and "sensible" in the same line.. Funny.