Mainlanders: Do you feel like you have been pushed aside?

Blondin has said that it's OK to have a nude beach, but not OK to have sex balls on it. He's said that "non-sexual" nudity is OK outside. He's said that you don't have to have any kind of formal business, even word of mouth could be considered advertising. He's said that if you have a party on your land, and guests use your sex balls, you could be in trouble. He's repeatedly defined "private" in terms of "inside buildings" or "in skyboxes".

I quoted and linked some of these on the wiki.secondlife.com "Adult Content" page.
See above.

Or LL could redo tier... But, yeah, like you said, not likely.

Well, couple of things.
As for Zindra, I suppose prices will be high initially because demand will be very high and supply very low. A lot of club owners that got swapped out to Zindra will sell their land immediately for immense profits to savvy land traders who will make their own profits selling the land for it's real value. Hopefully LL will keep rolling out Zindra sims until prices come down to sensible levels but they may not.

Hi Elanthius, do you mean that they will sell their swapped parcel on Zindra for a profit? That had not occured to me. I figured that most would take the swap, then dump their original parcels for cheap before that magic two weeks thing expires. That's what I'd do anyway.

Hi Elanthius, do you mean that they will sell their swapped parcel on Zindra for a profit? That had not occured to me. I figured that most would take the swap, then dump their original parcels for cheap before that magic two weeks thing expires. That's what I'd do anyway.

Yeah sure, but if you run some crappy club that will never be anything but a massive money sink wouldn't you sell it for L$20/sqm or L$50/sqm or whatever it turns out to be?

Well, couple of things.

Firstly, land prices aren't really any lower now than they were a week or two ago. I mean, maybe we lost 10% or something, but nothing too serious.

At this point I wouldn't exactly say there's too much land. After all, all land is owned. It would be highly unusual if I tried to sell a parcel for L$1 and no-one bought it. Until we get to the point where no-one will buy land at all then I suppose there's still room for more.

On the other hand I do think prices will collapse under the weight of all these new sims. And all you idiots claiming that I'm only saying this as part of some incredible secret plan to drive down prices and buy low remember the second part of that plan has to be to sell it later at a higher price. There's no reason whatsoever why prices will ever go up again. The only way prices will go up is if the land mass decreases or if the population increases. Neither of those things are likely any time in the near future.

When it comes to land prices I don't think it will matter at all how pretty the mainland becomes. We already saw that eliminating ad farms and parcel cutting has not increased prices, at best you could say they are flat but more realistically land prices have slid steadily downwards the entire year.

As for Zindra, I suppose prices will be high initially because demand will be very high and supply very low. A lot of club owners that got swapped out to Zindra will sell their land immediately for immense profits to savvy land traders who will make their own profits selling the land for it's real value. Hopefully LL will keep rolling out Zindra sims until prices come down to sensible levels but they may not.

This is what I see, too.

Nothing sells quite like 'the next new shiny' and that's the big draw. I don't care what region you have, people's imagined future in 'the new sim' is always sparkly perfection compared to the known and familiar. Usually it's just the same or worse, filled with other dreamers imagining their own blingy perfection. Many of which go in completely unaesthetic directions due to utter lack of taste, skill, or tact.

The trick is keeping an area alive so it's still good over time; within sixty days all regions are 'old.' No existing region can compete with 'new shiny' but eventually after a few thousand dollars go by some oldbies figure it out: be happy with where you *are*, make *that* area paradise if at all possible or you are gonna be buying, buying, buying new land constantly.

The other irony: some of the best mainland communities were First Land, when say 30 or 40 noobs all packed into near~freebie 512's closely together. True, these looked like garish junkyards from the air to any experienced eye, but they were *fun* for the participants, before everyone either dropped out or got their 65,000 meters of locked down, lonely boring paradise far offshore.

Am I the only mature mainlander who doesn't feel completely disheatened about all of this?

Some of my land is now worth less on paper than it did when I bought it. I may lose a few dollars if I sold. This is the worst of it.

The sim where I grew up is only growing more beautiful, and the community is intact. There is more yellow open land, but what had been there was all eyesore anyway.

My business will not need to change, and if it did I would move. Our adult private lives will continue to be just that- adult and private. If we want something a bit porny, we can do what exactly what we always did do...tp over to it.

I am seeing once sought after parcels sitting yellow at bargain basement prices, purple parcels everywhere,

Where?

In my lifelong mode of bad timing I am in the mood to buy.

Thanks for the advice - and I've been looking at map to see what's for sale when I go places, just out of curiosity really.

But I wanted to know what the especially choice land you had seen for rock bottom, was. Because all the land I have seen is still ridiculously overpriced. I do not know sims that well, or SL geography that well. So a SLurl to the actual sim or lot is handy, especially if it is for a good price.

I agree prices will continue dropping. Yet people are still asking exorbitant sums. Not unlike the real life market - some people want to sell for more than they bought for, no matter what.

Thanks for the advice - and I've been looking at map to see what's for sale when I go places, just out of curiosity really.

But I wanted to know what the especially choice land you had seen for rock bottom, was. Because all the land I have seen is still ridiculously overpriced. I do not know sims that well, or SL geography that well. So a SLurl to the actual sim or lot is handy, especially if it is for a good price.

I agree prices will continue dropping. Yet people are still asking exorbitant sums. Not unlike the real life market - some people want to sell for more than they bought for, no matter what.

Thanks for the advice - and I've been looking at map to see what's for sale when I go places, just out of curiosity really.

But I wanted to know what the especially choice land you had seen for rock bottom, was. Because all the land I have seen is still ridiculously overpriced. I do not know sims that well, or SL geography that well. So a SLurl to the actual sim or lot is handy, especially if it is for a good price.

I agree prices will continue dropping. Yet people are still asking exorbitant sums. Not unlike the real life market - some people want to sell for more than they bought for, no matter what.

Hey all,

I'm a mainland girl. In one avi or another I own mainland going back a long ways. Mature land. I invested lots of hard earned real cash into building up my bits of the old continents of Sansara and Heterocera. Fought border wars with a** holes and land cutters, restored horribly cut up parcels and endured through all.

Now with an imperial decree, all of that seems to be useless. My land will soon be worthless.

I am seeing once sought after parcels sitting yellow at bargain basement prices, purple parcels everywhere, and it will only get worse when the adult content folks dump their land for next to nothing after getting the free ride to Zindra (not blaming them, so don't go there).

Needed to rant, sorry 'bout that. Feeling unloved by the governor.

For me it's not the monetary value but the loss of rights. If I could afford it I'd get an estate or island thing but no way I can.

I recommend that nobody change anything on existing mature mainland in terms of personal habits unless LL tells them they have to. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing so. LL will always give notification that they want you to take something down or stop doing something before you are disciplined. That and it is unlikely they are going to be able to cope with the deluge of ARs when they cannot cope with the current level of ARs.


BTW Ian, the person in your sig, it is still totally obvious who the chat is from and their rather unenlightened attitude on that subject is no surprise at all.

I have an odd combo of life on my land, it really does need an adult rating, which I have always given it in it's ads... I really love my spot, it's mostly really nice people, either totally quiet and respectful or if they do say hi, really nice... We're by the beach and it is vast and empty and was before the Zindra exodus as sky box people own the next sim and have all their prims in the air.

On the sig, I believe it wasn't quoted in error. Originally I just was trying to not over react and offer her a right of reply. Thanks for commenting, it's not a fun sig to drag around, but people need to see what is happening is now becoming an illegal attack.

Well you know your lifestyle best but if it were me I would still hang tight until absolutely necessary.

I agree, not just the person in your sig either - it is very sickening to witness this happening. The people involved though do not cause great surprise by showing they hold these views.