Mainlanders: Do you feel like you have been pushed aside?

Hey all,

I'm a mainland girl. In one avi or another I own mainland going back a long ways. Mature land. I invested lots of hard earned real cash into building up my bits of the old continents of Sansara and Heterocera. Fought border wars with a** holes and land cutters, restored horribly cut up parcels and endured through all.

Now with an imperial decree, all of that seems to be useless. My land will soon be worthless.

I am seeing once sought after parcels sitting yellow at bargain basement prices, purple parcels everywhere, and it will only get worse when the adult content folks dump their land for next to nothing after getting the free ride to Zindra (not blaming them, so don't go there).

Needed to rant, sorry 'bout that. Feeling unloved by the governor.

I do think that LL cracked down on landcutting and adfarming more because they knew Zindra was in the pipelines. Once people had their land switched and prices took a crap, if those tactics were still allowed it would have been even uglier.

It is a shame that something can't be done to stabilize prices better, and act against the land barons that are fueling the panic. Its a mobster tactic, destroy prices so you can buy stock cheap.

Linden Lab should lower tier for the mainland.
That way people can afford to actually buy all this available land

Or at least restructure how tier steps are computed. I just bought a new parcel, and there is an abandoned 16 on one border. If I ask LL to sell it to me , I am sure they would. After all it would push me up to the next tier level.

Mm, flippers may do really well after the panic dies down and reality sets in that most things people actually do are still fine on mature, especially if Zindra prices go all Bay City silly.

But the question is why buy it in the first place, it IS worthless now, the LL has made sure of it with the new mature rating, You cant do anything on it really. its good for not much else than a boring home the way the rules read.

and pg land, ha, that should be freeland. then as you make money and gain experience you work your way up til you can afford to live and play with the big boys and girls.

Hope that you are correct. I have waited out calamities before. Still, in the near term a lot of folks are being hurt.

it may be a good thing to nab up mature lands right now..the way things change there may be some good come from it..

sure Zindra will have the ability to allow adult on it's sims ..but mature lands are really not that restricted..and most of the things you can do in your home out of site anyways..

plus you don't have to age verify with mature..i think that is a plus to mature..i think that may turn some heading back to mature when they realize they have to verify..

buy low sell friendly when i am around

Unfortunately a lot of us already bought it under the mistaken assumption that one could act out a mature lifestyle on mature parcels. Now it's try to ride it out (assuming a positive outcome) or dump it to the land bots.

Expect to see almost free land as soon as the swaps begin.

If anything, land might actually be used more in the future.
The price won't hold anyone with a paid subscription from getting a piece anymore. While that used to be something that actually held people back from buying land.
13k for a 512 plot used to be the norm. Right now, one can easily get a 1024 plot for about 5k.
Yes, I think landbarons pushing up the prices really had an effect on whether residents would use their land allowance or not. Even if it was just because they didn't want to sponsor these landbarons by buying parcels from them.

Mainland IS looking more empty nowadays though, but the lack of "parcel for sale" cube probably has something to do with that as well. I'm hoping more residents will pick up now and grab some empty plots. A linden tree fits even on a 4*4 plot, so everything will help to make the grid a nice place again. I just grabbed a plot where I plan to sell skyboxes, and since I do that up in the sky, I've lowered and unflattened the parcel and added some trees, just to make it a little oasis. So if I can do something like that, I'm sure more people can.
I've seen people do 3-prim landscaping in the past, and even if you grab a parcel just for primland, do consider spending one of the three prims for landscaping. Plant a tree! Make your sim a NICE sim!

I like your attitude Marcush.

If you want to see the state of mainland, just bring up your map. Make sure show land for sale is toggled. Scary thing is the increasing amount of purple (or red or whatever the ugly governor's reclaimed parcels color is). That land is not moving to auction very quickly either.

On the positive side, one of my parcels now seems estate sized, as almost everyone else is gone.

I feel it in that I loose some rights I payed for, it's not so much the money value of the land for me.

I do see a lot of interesting wheeling and dealing in some good ways coming though.

People will probably co operate in all sorts of ways we haven't thought of yet.

I own mainland on it i have my home ( not a boring house) I dont see its value lowing because like in RL its serving me for the reason i purchased the land.
If you are looking to make investments in SL land well those days i feel are long gone. Ifyou want a home or business then look for reasonable priced land and be happy with what you have .

I'd consider it a "lull in the market". The demand for land has not changed (i.e. the same number of people are looking for the same amount of land as last week) but with zindra, there are about 1000 more full sims of land available. As things settle down, more people join SL, more people grow their businesses and so it, it'll all stabilize itself.

That said... During this whole "LL is being unfair to Adult Content Creators" debate that has been raging for months now, I've said all along that the wrong people are up-at-arms over the issue. The Adult Content people have been crying about how it's unfair to them and it's censorship and it's every other thing under the sun. But in the end, it's everyone else that's being censored. Sure, the Adult Creators are being inconvenienced by having to move to "Free Land" (not free price - free as in freedom to express yourself). But it's everyone and everywhere else in SL where you have to reconsider your daily actions, wonder if it's safe to put out that nice poseball set in your front yard, and so on.

I suspect that "Adult" land will become the new "Mature" land over the next 6 months or so. The vast majority of people will move to Zindra or another "Adult" rated private sim just because you are free. Even if you're not really "Adult" - it's far easier to manage if you don't have to worry about yourself and your visitors behavior and policing it.

Even so - the market will bounce back a good deal. But, as I tried to tell everyone (and was told I was crazy on a number of occassions), Mature and PG mainland is not going to thrive the way it should. It's the Vanilla Continent. You will be able to recoup some of your losses in time - but you'll have to watch the market and sell high.

Right now IS the time to buy land though - any land. Because the supply is at it's peak (for a while) and demand has remained flat. Granted, I suspect Adult Land is going to be a valuable commodity for some time while it takes much longer for the others to get back up to a reasonable value where you can make something by selling it back.

If it were me I'd be slappin' up porn all over my mainland properties and asking for a transfer to Zindra. lol But that's just me.

I don't see any problems with owning non-adult mainland, and I don't see any reason why non-businesses would want to rush to the adult continent. There will be no change on what non-businesses can do on mature mainland, so there's no reason to move. Non-adult businesses would be foolish to set up in adult sims because they'll lose at least half of their potential customers. In fact, it's just the opposite. Businesses/places that *have* to move to an adult sim are the ones that will lose out. For the rest, there will be no change, except perhaps an increase in sales.

Yep. More people calling me crazy.

That's cool. Copy this thread and come back to me in six months and we'll see what happens. Mainland will be full of people whose avatars are less than a few weeks old. Once they start meeting people those people will say, "Come on, let's go here!" "I can't." "Awww. Bummer. Okay - see ya around!" And they'll get verified so they can hang with the cool kids.

We'll see. I could be wrong, but when it comes to human nature, I tend to have a pretty good hit to miss ratio. Time will tell.

I was just reading Rygel's post about Adult being the new Mature and mainland growing vacant it got me to thinking.... SL is 6 years old now. There's a lot of lessons learned over those 6 years. But I'm sure there are some lessons that are awkward to implement on mainland because there is so much already there, plus 6 years of accumulated crap. So.. what if LL decided to start over.. A new clean continent that they can shape with 6 years of experience. Enter Zindra. People, forced at first sure, begin migrating to it, it becomes the new "center of the universe" in SL. Soon mainland starts having empty full sims which poof out of existance, get reworked and poof back into existance as a new bit of land on the edges of Zindra.

Maybe in the not to distant future LL will announce a new "PG only" continent (which really would make sense).

Possible?

I bought 1/8 sim of mature mainland for a short-term project FOUR DAYS before the first adult content announcement. The project has now finished. If I was to try to sell the land now I think I'd get about 1/3 of what I paid for it. I am annoyed, but ... oh well, sh*t happens. I just count myself lucky that I was never trying to make money from it, and I can afford to keep it just as a toy (terraforming is my new favourite way to relax).

The rest of the sim seems to be emptying and going up for sale piece by piece, which is quite good from my point of view as fewer people are adversely affected by my incompetent scripting experiments

So ... swings and roundabouts. I do appreciate recent efforts to improve mainland, such as the new adfarming and traffic bot rules. Now ... if they could just finish the roads ...

I agree with Rygel actually.

Any non-business user who buys land must have PIOF and thus be verified, so there is no reason for them NOT to buy on Zindra purely for the extra resale value if nothing else! I can see it causing a fair amount of drama between friends though.

Am I the only mature mainlander who doesn't feel completely disheatened about all of this?

Some of my land is now worth less on paper than it did when I bought it. I may lose a few dollars if I sold. This is the worst of it.

The sim where I grew up is only growing more beautiful, and the community is intact. There is more yellow open land, but what had been there was all eyesore anyway.

My business will not need to change, and if it did I would move. Our adult private lives will continue to be just that- adult and private. If we want something a bit porny, we can do what exactly what we always did do...tp over to it.

No you're not.

I live in the same place I have owned for almost two years now. Granted, it has undergone some changes, and recently it got expanded a lot and worked over. Last thing I picked up was an additional 1024 sqm for 3,500 L$ - which is something to laugh at considering my very first 1024 right next to it cost me 10k back when (which was already an okay price).

My sister is just working on getting a store set up, and we regularly shake our heads at notions like above that mature is worthless and you can't do anything on it now. Actually, you can still do anything, just not depictions or acts of extreme violence or sex.

Can you tell me what it is that I am not allowed to do on either my adult parcel or my pg parcel, that I was going to be doing before LL made these changes?

Not at all. I think I made some positive points in my previous post.

Hey I have been watching the map everyday now. Looking for that special little 512. Even waterfront is coming down to what is affordable, even for me

I'm new here and have only owned mature mainland for a short time, but I don't see it as the end of the world. I didn't buy on speculation, I really wanted to own a place of my own and even though I only have 1792m (down from 2304m) it's nice, quiet and I have enough prims for a skybox and swimming pool with some left over. Plus, it's all mine. I don't feel restricted in what I can do...I just have to put up some one way walls around certain objects in my swimming pool soon

I'm in wait and see mode now.