The Value of your Ethics on the grid...

Which part of "You sell your time" is so difficult for you to understand?

Your fingers type and yet only hot air and garbage seem to spew forth. I don't require your apology, I realise you probably cannot help being an asshole.

HINT: When you call me a liar, I respond in kind, you might want to remember that in future.

I am not sure selling your time and selling out are the same. I take the first one to mean literally selling your time. I take the second one to mean doing something you find morally wrong or at least morally ambigious.

That is your opinion, do you have any proof or not? You can spin anything to fit an agenda if you try but it is not truth unless you can prove it.

I tell you what Gabriele, I talk to people on a forum like I would to their face. You're a liar if you say you wouldn't take a job to look after your family. Your attempts to say SL is different are balderdash.

Where's the selection for 4 large, fresh moose carcasas?

I would not break my moral code or "sell out" for anything. Of course I would look after my family but I would not discard what I beleive in to do so. If it came to that or death, then I would choose death. Prove me a liar or fuck off with your basless accusations.

The title of this thread is:

"The Value of your Ethics on the grid"

This personal attack against my honesty has absolutely nothing to do with the questions Desmond posed or the thread title.

Wow, couldn't disagree more. I have a great job, I earn good money and I work to promote social justice, which is win-win for me. Before this job, I had many many many years of struggle and working for non-profits for peanuts, but I didn't sell out then, either.

I make a lot of compromises in my life, like anyone, but I don't consider negotiating and compromising to come to decisions that are best for a group that is larger than just me, myself and I to be selling out, either.

I think it's a myth that everyone has to sell out, frankly. Something we tell ourselves to soothe the pangs of guilt we have for not holding true to our beliefs. Selling your labour may be a drag, but it's not selling out. And anyway, what about all the people who own their own businesses? Are you saying the only people who aren't sellouts are the capitalists?

Doing something ethically questionable isnt' the same as doing something ethically wrong.

Oh rubbish, you work, you go to work for a price. If you can't see make an argument without swearing you've lost, if you can't make an argument without credence you've lost, if you can't see how going to work is selling out you've lost.

I agree, which is why I said "Ethically questionable"

The only loser here is you. Let me try to clue you up one more time. If you make accusations against someone you need to back them up with facts, especially when questioning their honesty. If you don't and they get mad at you that does not make you the winner. It just makes you a spineless turd who cannot whose word is junk, who cannot believed for anything except to cause trouble.

That clear yet for you?

No I'm saying we go to work to pay the bills, if we had a choice of who we work for we'd work for other people but the bottom line is we sell our time.

I'm still waiting for you to answer the question of whether you work.

i think she said it is none of your business. you made your point. can we move on now?

Then you should understand that you chose the wrong phrase, as the essential question here is around doing things that are ethically wrong. Issues around doing things that are ethically questionable requires a different type of discussion.

I voted on an amount that I'd sell out on, it was an amount that would help me out quite well in real life.

But yeh, as for it being an actual "sell out"? I agree with you, it's no sin to earn, it's life and sometimes as in your work maybe even a virtue.

Maybe Part B to the question is what amount would you sell someone else out at?

*FAIL*

Two points, you cannot sell out if being forced to do something.
You have to choose to sell out.

Secondly you know nothing about how or where people work. You are going by your own experiences only.

You must be really stupid, did you not read what I put? I am not going to give you details of my RL. Do you act like this around infohubs too? IM'ing people with A/S/L constantly? My RL has no bearing on this thread or whether I sold out. A person who works has only sold out in *your* opinion.

So what? That has no particular connection to the issue of doing things that are unethical.

No it wasn't, the question was about doing things in SL that are ethically questionable.

Why don't you just swear at me again huh? Nobody is forced to work, it's a choice.

If you beleive that there are no people being forced to work in the world, then you are even more stupid than you look. Not everyone has a choice. You make blankets statements, so I make one. Are these people selling out too? No, don't answer that, you will just blind me with your ignorance. Just move on, this horse is dead.

Real life they are forced, some on SL pretty much are too. Unless they are going to stand around as newbies or live on freebies... most SL life takes money. In fact I've only met one person who hadn't put in a cent... Even then she made things and spoke of gifts people had given her or times she had been "taken shopping".

The point was, do people have a price, and the answer is yes they do. The fact that you choose to dance and scream and swear about it doesn't make the point less valid.

No, it's not. Desmond has twice clarified, saying that he's asking about the worst thing you could think of.