UK folks, take care: new laws

It would also end if sex stuff weren't allowed. Or if places with sex stuff weren't allowed to be open to the public. Or if sex stuff was required to be secured (as you already do).

A basic principle in U. S. law with regard to censorship is to use the minimal restrictions practical. While obviously LL isn't bound by that with regard to their private property, I think they'd agree with applying that principle.

While looking for other places, came across this url for guide on most virtual worlds, it rates or gives info on virtual worlds, thought I would have a look and see what these other worlds have common in what content they allow to make or use.....plenty too see here

off topic a a bit , but interesting to see how other virtual worlds are dealíng with the growing problem of internet policing.

http://www.techsoup.org/learningcenter/internet/page6759.cfm

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Did you AR them? Because LL can't do anything about them if they don't know



As stated before, same could be said if all sexual animations and related items were wiped from the grid and banned.



There are places where the porn depicted is bestiality, hard core brutal, or otherwise extreme. It's not what many want in SL, hell some don't want any of it in SL. So to ban one style due to a personal dislike, well might as well ban it all.



Unpopular because they can be turned around onto the person expressing them. To ban one thing that is not illegal sets a precedent for banning more things

You are spinning what is said again Mort.

Are you not advocating preemptive blocking of people based on what they might do?

Are you not saying SL needs to be cleaned up to fit some moral view or what should be allowed?

Are you not saying all this is what society wants?


I'm sure myself and others can quote your views in just this thread on how these things need to be done.

Wasn't there a bad Tom Cruise Movie about something like this? People being punished for crimes they didn't commit yet?

Now as you mention it, most of the Tom Cruise movies I've happened to see, seem to have been punishing ME for some crime I never committed.

You committed the crime of actually watching them.

Minority report.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/

Of course there is. In private. But it is easy and quick to report something and because they have all the logs at their finger tips, they can easily tell if people are reporting frivolously. And the time it takes for an investigation is minimal but thorough.

Mort had said, "it takes weeks to hear from a GM" This is absurd. Not only can you get a GM replying/IM'ing you within an hour 99% of the time, you can also call them with no hassle tech support 24/7. In contrast in SL, you can have a harrassment or something happen and by the time SL gets around to contacting you---IF they contact you--- all the particulars are long gone and you can't even remember the details.




And then those teenagers easily enter SL with no problem and have CyberAvatarsex, pretending they are adults and not 15 yrs old. SL is not taken seriously at all by the young wow players and the largest percentage that increased the SL numbers into the millions back when SL jumped from 350,000 into the on-paper, million+ pop, that was happening, was after a long WOW lull, waiting for the next expansion to be released.

The point is, WOW (sorry Brenda) makes good business decisions and cover themselves well and address legal areas, quickly. They also have to contend with many millions more customers then SL has to deal with and they do it without breaking a sweat.

Although they have total god mode investigations going on, it does not feel invasive because they are not concerned with being judgemental to private RP but are very concerned with spam, harrassments, thefts, or anything violating laws or ruining other's fun, and consequences are severe. Blizzard acts quickly, professionally and objective.

Screenshot and filling out the abuse report fully and clearing = they have all the details.

I've played WoW. Some problems they responded quickly too, others took a week.




Got stats to prove it?

And the key you pointed out, WoW responds to reported incidents! It does not kill accounts based on log files because there are adults playing and can have adult conversations!

Just like SL will lock an account if it's reported that the user is underage and lied to get in.

Of course they only time they do any legal reporting is when they lie to get onto the teen grid by pretending to be underaged in order to gain access to young kids.


And one key thing: WoW is not based on user content, it's a controlled world.

Anytime I had hrrasment or griefing there was never any response shorter then a month and never was there any actions taken.



I have never had to wait more then an hour-----hour and a half max.

Stop living in dreamland Mort.

And I've seen griefers purged in minutes by a linden employee, and had other issues resolved in an hour (related to ghost prims on my lands), and harassment usually results in a warning the first time or two depending on the information given.

But reading your other post in a separate thread, I wonder if you ever actually bothered to file an abuse report.




Your experiences are different than mine. And many others. I've had to wait a week to hear back on an issue. A stuck report got dealt with in about 45 min, gold spam took about an hour, a harassment report took three hours, a problem logging in and correcting my billing took a week to get a response beyond 'it's in the que and will be dealt with as soon as possible'.

Screenshot or forget it. You must have been on crack when that happened. Some kind of time dilation. unless the griefers were attacking the Linden.

Screenshots for your always within an hour or an hour and half response from Blizzard?

Do you understand that Blizzard has very many employees on duty? So Yes.

And you can use a full rez snapshot that is clear as a bell

So does linden labs, now lets see your snapshots?

ROFL you don't see the issue with this?

no she don't.

Simply read the prove you're not a minor thread.

A entertainment company should not be accessing your computer other than to send data related to the software back and forth. It should not be scanning the hard drive, open windows at all.

And it's not weeding out the private chat role plays or anything

It's geared towards protecting their software from being exploited so people can skip the grind. The grind pays their bills, so anything that allows botting ruins their bottom line.

I keep thinking that this thread is forgetting an important point of this law, so I'm going to clarify it once more just in case:

THE LAW AFFECTS THE *RESIDENTS*, NOT LL.

The law won't force Linden Labs to make a censored "Euro-only" version of SL.

What it will do is to say that, if LL _don't_ do that, then *YOU* - the one at the keyboard right now, you, wif da face - will be risking prosecution under a sex offense by logging into SL, or by visiting any unknown areas; if you're in English or Welsh, that is. (Before you say "they won't prosecute for that", remember that prosecution is only the start of a court case which is where they decide and clarify if your behaviour was illegal or not.)

Ideally if anyone wanted to keep/ read and pass on a chat log from Second Life it would take a court order .. Just like it would take to bug your phone.

This is one of the major problems with Blizzard:

"Take a look at this piece of the EULA agreement that was added after all the hype, complaining and lawsuit threats reached their peak. Basically it allows Blizzard to scan your computer and ...

"... COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER ..."

In other words, the client can (and will) scan your entire computer looking for a program that seems "unauthorized," and reports back to Blizzard on what it finds. It is never stated whether the client considers your passwords, credit card numbers, web history or email addresses to be "unauthorized" so we're forced to assume that is does. "

The Big Brother Rebecca dreams of.

Wonder if Blizzard bought their lawyers at the "Patriot" Act writing place.

Which is why they need to step up and get the law overturned as too broad and invasive.

And the quote was in response to Rebecca's desire to get the company to take responsibility for all the content and clean it up

It also rings of one of the knee jerk laws passed in the states, that has no way to be enforced except as a tacked on charge when something else is the main cause.

In some ways yes, and others no.

The chat log can be considered a public recording, similar to being recorded on a street corner talking about something.

Same with a screenshot from an abuse report can be considered a witness snapping a picture with the camera phone to record a crime.