UK folks, take care: new laws

Shakes head none of this make sense.
When I was kid BBC showed lot of nude sexual suggestive sexist images that often the parents didn't seem to prevent kids from seeing for whatever reason.
Does UK still have nude and sexually suggestive programing on television that kids might see?
There should be more concern over that then some Adult might accidentally see or stumble upon in Second Life.
Isn't there enough real time violence and sex crimes in Uk offline that might be more important? I just remember watching program about this couple in Uk who had been kidnapping, torturing and killing young women for years before anyone found out, on top of it abusing there own kids, in fact if I vaguely recall they killed even one of their daughters and buried her out in the backyard.
One would think there is still stuff like that happening in real life that is a whole more important then what might accidentally fall on someone computer cache.

It's a cliche but a fundamental difference between UK and US TV has always been that we have more liberal attitude to depictions of sex and you have a more liberal attitude to depictions of violence.

And of course the politicians will tell you that this new law is all about preventing people from being corrupted by pornography and starting commit RL crimes. Because of course none of us are capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality.

Reminds me of the '50s when Politicians said comic books would corrupt the youth.

I figure, if you're dumb enough to think you can do in reality what's done in fantasy, then there's a Darwin Award waiting for you.

Funny how Nature weeds out the Stupid.

That's my whole point, it's starting to happen here in America as well.

US has more people in our prisons then any where else in world one would equate maybe there is too much crime and violence on television and media maybe we need more sex!
Nah never mind. LOL

Very intersting because in Japan many of these laws exist already. And you think LLAB started pushing the game in japan as a "SHOPpING GAME" then a Porn game. Its funny how they BS as they say the media that SL is shopping and learning then the fact its a porn game these days.

Avatars aren't innocent, they are avatars, 3D images. There's no innocence in pixels roaming on your screen. Just wanted to point that out. It's fine that you want to charactarize, or RP an innocent child in SL, but that doesn't make you one.

And with someone who has the word "loli" in his forum profile, with a childish "no" after it... you don't sound convincing at all in your argument, tho feel free to say "ad hominem", but since your.. "types" are really rare, I gotta judge a lot of your group based on you. Just saying.

Also this is a pretty strict law. I thought in Europe we atleast would have some freedom to do what the fuck we want inside our own doors. Where I live posessing child pornography is illegal and if found out you have any, you will be trialed, but this doesn't extend to cartoons.

Well In japan it is..............In the for of Adult Manga in Japan is monitor for adult viewer over 18 .

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/me points at the thread title.

Huh? I got lost there.


My fiancee loves Hentai, I love manga/anime. We both LOVE Japan- mostly for the food, culture, openess (c'mon! Beer beer vending machines frickin' ROCK) and women.

What is this semantical nonsense? I'm quite sure that by "innocent child avatars", Sideways is referring to SL residents who roleplay children and don't engage in the sorts of activities the OP has described. As I think you probably could've figured if you weren't so keen on just arguing.

And the point is perfectly valid. Anybody who assumes that someone who uses a child avatar uses it for sexual purposes is an idiot. Perhaps it's not what the OP intended, but I gotta admit that I, too, resent the implication when somebody posts a "friendly warning" to those who play child avatars that sexual activity among such is about to become illegal somewhere. As if.

Ah, sadly I had already heard about this. Another frightening example of our current government eroding human rights on a daily basis.

People might say that I'm over-reacting and that news like this is scare mongering, but in my opinion it really isn't. Our government are passing laws that make things illegal where there is absolutely no evidence that any harm is caused by those activities. It's like Mary Whitehouse is running the country!

For more info on this particular law check out...

http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/

Yes, I am seriously considering moving to another country in the near future if this trend continues and no, i will NOT be voting them back in. It's political correctness gone mad.

Split hairs much?

What are you getting at?

Hehehee "NO! That's NOT the kind of pr0n i was looking for *close* *close* *close* They keep popping up!! *unplug*"

This law is shocking... there is an exception in it.... if you take a picture of something you performed yourself lawfully, you're in the clear. I suppose that means if you give that same image to a friend, or draw something similar from just your own imagination™ then its a crime.
Its a thought crime.

Okay... I can re-word it without backpedaling... "Child avatars created with innocent intent cannot be assumed to have pornographic roles." It means the same to me, but hopefully it's easier to understand by others. (=_=)

And, yes, I have "loli" in my profile. That's because I am a loli avatar. There is a degree of separation from child to loli avatars. I won't deny that there is an assumed erotic connotation to that degree to separation. So, when you're in the mood the lump in the child avatars' intent by using me as an example, you're making a terrible mistake. There will always be a difference. If you ever see me side-by-side with a child AV... It WILL be blatantly obvious most of the time. (=_=)

And, while you will find me wandering around in Japanese gym-class bloomers... Don't expect to be getting a paparazzi shot of me in the buff and bouncing on someone's Xcite bed... Because it doesn't happen. I'm typically well within the boundaries of the TOS and I gladly correct myself if/when I ever seem to cross the line. (^_^)y

Actually, drawing it wouldn't be illegal, because the images have to be "explicit and realistic" and also a reasonable person must believe that the people in the images are real.

Again.. actual BDSM activity in SL isn't in any danger. What's in danger is the ability of UK residents who are interested in BDSM to associate with others, because of the unawareness defense. If they teleport to a build with that theme, and there happens to be a photo on a texture there, they've broken the law. They can't claim unawareness because they should have had "cause to suspect" that such an image might be there. As a result, the only way to be sure of remaining 100% within the law is to never visit such an area.

Ditto innocent child avatars. You could teleport to an innocent "playground" type of build and see another child av running a sex-type animation, and then without an unawareness defense, you can be arrested for child pornography. This wouldn't effect griefers running around putting child avs in sexual situations across the rest of the grid, because unawareness would apply to that - if a griefer starts displaying that kind of thing in the Ivory Tower, for instance, there's no reason you'd have suspected that could happen. But, based on SL's mass media coverage, it could be much easier to argue that if you teleported to a child-themed area you should have had some cause to suspect that people might be doing that type of thing there, even if they aren't supposed to.

I'm not arguing. I think you people just take this game too seriously, and are butthurt when someone like me points out that fact. Roleplayers are probably the most sensitive little dweebs the net has ever got to know, who will go to massive lenghts to prove a redundant point that has no effect in reality what so ever. There's no innocent avatars in SL and there's no guilty ones either. There's just graphics and that's it. It's a GHAME OH LORDY!

To me people who roleplay AS children are people who very likely still play with Barbie dolls. Men who play with Barbie dolls. It's the same, seriously. If you saw a 30 year old fat guy/girl playing with a Barbie doll at a public place, trying to mimic a 6 year old girl going "Nuuu~ no want medicine!" and trying to smile like this > "^_^" or if you saw an adult walking in diapers acting as a baby, you know what kind of reactions you would get. First they laugh, they think it's kinda cute and goofy, then they realize how sad it is, how stupid it is and how disturbing it is, but with the net it's not exactly the same.

Here you have them defending their right for this choice, making long tiresome arguments and building up debates, saying they should be allowed to do this in public sims. These adults want to control a 10 year old avatar and act cute, which I PERSONALLY find funny and cute and that there's nothing wrong with that (it's just extremely sad and stupid - but not morally wrong), do what the hell you want.

But you gotta admit, people will often see these avatars and smile "oh that's adorable", but later note how disturbing it also is because of the insinuations and suttle hints these "innocent" RPers do in their RP, in their behaviour and in their clothing. Same with furfags, you think they look like cute puppy dogs, but then you realize they (will RAPE YOU IF YOU TURN AROUND) got doggycock attachments invisible, big ass breasts that leak milk all around, slutty whorish outfits, and the word "yiff" appear 60 times in their profile. You step back and... slowly walk away.

I remember seeing this pedophile in Ahern welcome area, in a child female avatar, using voice (it was just released) telling the whole SL world that he's a pedo, and that it's the same as homosexuality. A lot of drama and epic lulz were made, too bad I forgot to fraps it. He also admitted of being a 40 year old virgin, fat and single, which made me PARTY HARD while laughting.

Its utter madness,,,,,,,,,,,what is the world coming to huh ??

There have been various comments made regarding BDSM and Child porn

Firstly accepting that there "may " be an element of truth in that some residents do engage in these things.. So far I have not come across any such places, or witnessed any such things.........so its all conjecture, speculation and sensationalism..take your pick lol.

Just coz you wear leathers does not mean your gonna engage in BDSM.

Just coz you wear a child skin and shape does not mean your gonna engage in sex either with another child av or anyone for that matter. How dare people assume so !!!

In both cases i expect the larger majority are simply enjoying the freedom of role playing their childhood again........and with regard to BDSM........surely between two consenting adults in privacy.........its their business.

Its a sad world we live in when we cannot express our selves without do gooders, politically correct worry mongers trying to interfere.

But whats being missed.if anyone is offended.........then theres always the off or TP home button, Lets not lose our freedom of choice guys........its important.

The law may be the law...........but its also an ass.........and Ill tell that to the judge *winks

I just keep thinking... I spent a lot of one day this week paddling people in the kneecaps for the LULZ. It was a scream and my face hurt from laughing. \(^o^)/

I just think it would be hilarious that some idiot somewhere would see it and assume that we were engaged in "illegal" S&M roleplay that included loli & kid avatars... But, you know? There IS someone out there that would think that way. So, HEY, let's all write laws that wrap around the most offended people so nobody gets hurt! ..... heh ..... (=_=)

Heh... You should see my business Emails. (^_^)y

*fixed it for you


(Trying to show the other side of the mirror)

I think you're missing the point.

Even the people who _aren't_ offended are still breaking the law if they see that kind of thing, and once they've seen it, it's too late to turn off or TP home.

ZOMG!!! (O_O) That was the laugh I needed this morning! \(^_^)/