UK folks, take care: new laws

Are you trying to say people are dying because of Second Life?

The amount of intrusive protection thats tolerable should be directly proportionate to the risk involved.




There are laws about fraud and theft already - If the FBI and police are too inept to catch these people then we should divert some of the tens of billions of dollars we spend to fight the "war on drugs" and spend it on computer education for law enforcement.

Ads and the rest are just a nuisance if a site wants to have them - that is their prerogative.

Courts will have dumb ideas. More of a reason for LL to solve it inworld proactively

Duh this should be so obvious to everyone by now.

Well there is no age verification needed to check out a romance novel, a book like meditations in green, catcher in the rye, or myriad others that contain adult content.



Well did it occur to you that the society on SL and internet has decided that the content is okay?

If society didn't want the content it wouldn't be worth it to make or publish it.




How by pointing out, the cesspit is on one end of the property and the pool on the other?

Whoa - I missed this little gem.

How did you determine this? Did Mort send you a test result or something?

Is this a 9th grade level compared to what 9th graders *should* be able to read?

Or an actual 9th grade level based on a statistical average of 9th graders?

Give it up, stop playing your stupid game. you know perfectly well what I am saying.





The computer business need to solve these problems. It's stupid to wait till the society is up in arms and governments have to step in. Its just common sense and and good business sense.

Mort, go play devils advocate with some Sea Monkeys okay?

Paper not plastic right now.

tsk tsk

If you want corporations to protect the children, should books not also be rated and restricted like all other media?


Heck you espouse WoW as a good example of what linden labs should do and it's got quests relating to brutal rapes and murders, clothing that is most inappropriate for younger children to see, excessive violence, and still harbors a thriving community of adult players that cyber (and do some of the more questionable stuff in pure chat) .... and it's age and identity verification is worse than even SL's

You expect LL's to nursemaid the world, it isn't going to happen.

You have to choose not to visit the red light districts in real life and in second life. Because society has a desire for that kind of entertainment, so it will crop up to feed the desires.

Corporations reaping the rewards of millions, yes. But it's just good business in the first place.

I'm not talking morals here or books vs. virtual worlds, I am talking common sense. No character from a book jumped out of the pages at you except in dreams.

We are in a world that has alot of strife and problems crooks and crazy people and the last thing the planet needs is a giant, interactive, unpoliced, lowest common denominator, 3D cesspool.

Thats ridiculous. You apparently do not know what they do and still they don't give people the feeling their privacy is being invaded. People get banned in WOW in mid-sentence. Plucked right out of there and generally these accounts mean something and people do not want to risk them.

The only thing worse than having corporations watch out for children is having the government do it. Common sense says to keep both as far away as possible.

Oh I can create an account in 10 min using a cd key for the price of a dvd with no verification that I am even of legal age other than a drop down birthdate.

I guess you haven't seen the bitching about warden, and how invasive it is.

They pluck them out midsentence based on the reports of the community

To most the sign up and costs are minor.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Ill stop doing so.

All right then what you are saying in this thread is we need active content control by LL in order to mitigate an undefinable quantity of problems which may or may not be being caused by their current lack of content control.

Great. A massive limit in freedom of expression in response to a problem no one can show the actual detrimental results of.




If the problem is broken laws - then its law enforcement that needs to enforce the laws. If they don't or don't know how we need to fix the law enforcement. Its really as simple as that.

The only thing that's obvious is that these are all non-sequiturs.

Wrong you are talking morals.

Because common sense says parents and guardians will keep the kids off the adult internet and services rather than rely on a rainbows and sunshine view of corporate/governmental control of peoples lives

No character in a video game or movie jumps out of the screen and gets you. You have to give out information to an online predator to have to worry about them coming to get you... most parents make sure their kids know not to tell strangers that information.

And to be blunt, the last thing we need is though police telling people their desires and dreams are not allowed because they don't fit someone's moral views

I want the police and FBI doing something about Internet fraud. Not Internet Porn.

Thats what I was saying.

Take some of that money they use to make sure people aren't smoking marijuana in their own basements and instead send some FBI agents to computer school.

Now you are going to tell me what I am talking about?

I already said I am not talking morals.

Indeed, but she wants to proactively prevent 'deviants' from gaining access to the online world.

As well as purging it of all the porn and other stuff that is distasteful to society...

Never mind it's society that puts it up there

At least she's not talking about morals.

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So what laws are broken by adults displaying the pictures online for other adults?

So what laws are broken when two adults cyber online?


If it's an image or act that is illegal, then report it and let the authorities deal with it. Just like you report crimes in the real world because the cops are not able to suddenly swoop down and know who the criminals are and whisk them away.


Trying to ban legal activities because you dislike them and want a sugar coated online world and internet is force feeding morals down people's throats. And it's too late to force it, because the internet isn't something you can control.

Second life to fit that candy coated ideas, would need a full wipe. When you give freedom to people to create as they please it's going to not fit a lot of people's ideas of a utopia.

"it's going to not fit a lot of people's ideas of a utopia." or Bay City either.

But i can see the possibility of a totally sex and internet free area in SL, just as Bay City was created under different but attuned circumstance... my feeling is it would remain poorly visited, maybe even empty except for the determined....

It could be policed.. modererated.. whatever. Images only from a select list, etc etc..

Rebecca, if that is what you seek to be possible, then go make a sim with those characteristics, you need to start somewhere, with or without a moral stance, i sympathise with anyone that wants something from SL they cant get right now...

Its likely to be an expensive enterprise unless you can get moderators and image checks and site policing for nothing.., plus anyone in such a place would have to agree on some predefined risk and method statement..

but.. it could be done..

i`m not suggesting that is what anyone should or should not do.. just that its feasible..

I'd agree with this more if I personally had never had underage avs trying to use any place I have, private or public, for sex. Just today I went home to find a guy and a little girl with a teddy trying and failing to use sex stuff.

That would end if child avs weren't allowed. Like everything else, some selfish few spoil it for others.

Extreme porn us not most of what is depicted in sl tho it would include dolcett - anyone into dolcett is warped.

Two unpopular views for the price of one.

***edit my sex stuff is locked to group only use, and that group is just me and my partner - precisely for that reason

ok so someone says in this forum, because u entered this particular place, u would know what was there, and therefore liable for a hand of the law to nab u.

but SL technology is far from perfect, and not so many weeks ago, a major TP malfunction accured, sending everyone to another place, instead of home, this resulted in about 100 avaters all in one place, it was amazing in one way, so many guys and girls, some from uk, usa, germany, italy polski, spanish, mexican, asian ....!! Actually had a whale of a time chatting up all the girls with simply outrageous naughty names!!

MY point is: that may times, I have TPd and found myself in the next available landing place for some reason or another, in this particular incident, I found myself in a dark village, rather like "Diagon Alley" in harry potter lol this place was a nest of red light areas, so I did not request to go there. I had no intention of going there or procuring the services of prostitutes, (however, it did have some fantastic exotic clothes shops, and i did purchase an outfit for dancing ) so, if I ended up in a bdsm region caused by a TP malfunction, then that would have to be your defence, and the powers to be would have to look at that, an they would have to back down, because sl would show i didnt intend going there. with 40,000 folk on in the evening, i dont see how there going to implement this law.....but below will be there solution

This doesnt provide any protection against linden or our government just pulling the plug on Sl and making the 2 tier one like ebay, so europeans would be treated like children, and would have to put up with a european version of SL that complies with these laws.....

I completely agree with others, that linden have been very slow to act, over the many questionable press reports, and seem to just bury there head in the sand again, "saying it will all blow over"......one day soon, it wont just blow over, and as one contributor said, Linden has only itself to blame, for still allowing violent content, I myself are not into BDSM, but a lot of people i know do, in RL and SL, and some months ago, I submitted myself to an experiment by a mistress who had an electro wand type of lash, although the experiance was quite erotic, and my avater jumping in the air as she got stung by the wand nothing short of rather comical, but 5 mins later, after I went home, i noticed my back had enormous lash marks bleeding still from the lashing, I found that particularly disturbing, not only to myself, but perhaps a newbie, who might have seen them, if I had gone to a freebie store soon after..... still in my backless corset i was still wearing, so removing these nasties and beastiality stuff im totally for taking out of SL.

Remember the thatcher government!?? She destroyed within weeks, the new sattelite signals from new porn channels in the eighties, from being recieved from europe in the Uk.....Red Hot Dutch was one of these, i still have an old video someone made of some porn from holland by sattelite, they were hot too, we in the uk was very saddened by our right to see/pay/buy sat recievers to view porn channels removed by the nanny state..! That is a worse case scenario, but how much longer will this government sit back before thay start doing the same to the internet!? Even the latest Grand theft Auto game has been getting bad press here, and the papers and sky were having a field day with it.....!! saying it was full of violence, death to cops, sex prostitutes, it goes on, These days Im happy to be on my SL island beach with a few palm trees, some birds, dolphins and sealife, and sunsets, flying my helicopter around and chilling..) Not seen WOW or blizzard before, never heard of them till now, will check them out for curiosity, i did look at red light, but didnt like it
ok time for an indian takeaway now, yummy, bye folks! )
Michaela