UK folks, take care: new laws

Mute is a wonderful thing.........
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"In the grip of a net sex epidemic"

http://tinyurl.com/5k59ch

I don't see the law lasting long if there are activists like the EFF in the UK to actually stand up and shoot it down. The law definitely would follow in the footsteps of the anti-gaming legislation in the US and be punted imho.


As for the variety of avatars in SL... deal with it!

If you have issues with avatars that are young, furry, robotic, green, purple or blue... take a step back and look inside to find out why you're having issues with them. The problem is in you not them.

If you see an inappropriate activity being done, report it. Heck I know some that AR's clients for asking them for pretending to be younger in IMs. But don't AR someone simply for having a certain type of avatar and wandering around in places, unless said places are meant for activities where the avatar is inappropriate and they don't leave when warned.

And this is an explanation of how people should spend their time?

Wasting one's own time and enjoyment reporting every pervert in SL? That would be as like removing bugs from the swimming pool one bug at a time. You'd be there all day...and the next day, and the next day...sorry its not my job to do LL's job of apprehending criminals in their little game.


If LL won't do it, and people can't police themselves, then, I'd just as soon have the real world do it---although that is a pity and will do the collateral damage to the good things in SL.

The good things in SL? Blimey, Rebecca. Kool-Aid with your dinner this evening, was it?

Can linden labs put someone on every parcel in every sim? No more than the government can put a police officer on every street corner to make people safe.

It takes a community effort, so if you are there and see it happen report it. Just like if you see a crime in real life, or are you one that would have people walk on and leave a crime unreported in real life because it wasn't their so called job?

The use of child avatars in mature areas for adult situations is now greatly reduced, and the majority of users are willing to report them (to the point innocent users get reported by overzealous people)

The real world can't protect you from real threats, they can only pick up the pieces afterwards. Just ask any cop, they have no ways to stop a crime... only deal with the aftermaths.

Not a drop.


"A single spoiled crab leg can ruin the whole barrel."- a wise man.

Mort. this is nonsense. They don't have to reinvent the wheel. But they do have to lift a finger.

nope, expecting a company to weed out folks is nonsense.

How do you know someone is into age play when they sign up? Or if they are into anything that is not allowed, or that they will do it?

You can't, hence the community needing to report it. Because there are no omnipotent watchers of the going ons in second life (or the real world)

Tell that to the companies that keep a tight ship--ya know the one's that work.

name one company that can prevent people intent on inappropriate behavior from joining?

And name the oracle that tells them that person is going to do something they shouldn't

I want to know who or what out there is able to read the mind of a user prior to them doing something.

Even facebook and myspace have to respond to reports, because they can't monitor the going ons of all the thousands of users. Same goes for the various chat programs, they respond to incidents reported.

So where is the omnipotent company out there that can keep the wrong type of folks from using their services?

Try Scotland - doesn't look like the government there will be adopting the ridiculous law

I will answer for her. "Blizzard. WoW is the mostest perfectest game ever created. Do you want some WoW kool aid?"


As for the poor English lass in the story you linked, if things were in good shape to begin with her husband would not have been screwing around on the net and flying to meet his American lover. Maybe she needs to look at herself and how she managed the relationship in the years leading up to this before she starts blaming Second Life. I would bet dollars to donuts that he was already looking.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.........stops to breathe......HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Damn, that was one of the funniest things I have read in a long time.

I've been to wow.

Guess what, cybersex happens in that game... and there is not even SL's limiting of under 18s to a separate list of servers!

And even after the guild was banned people still use gnomes for age play.

Can they weed out the people early on? Nope, it's after they do something and get reported that the GMs can step in.

Else there would also be no gold farmers logging in, no power leveling spam, etc. going on.

You are ignoring the deterrent effects of enforcing, bannable actions on a player base and how well, diligent monitoring works. A simple way to report and then be contacted online quickly by a staff --works-- keeping it so that no one can stay permanently in a game with a "free trial," Limits to Alts and all of them linked to master accounts

It's just a fact of life that SL has to be monitored one way or another as unappealing as that sounds. It's just because of the pantheons of lowest common denominators---and also because SL has in it all kinds of hard core porn and what society at large, would deem as deviant or suspect behavior.


You are overplaying the difficulty in policing what goes on on the LL servers. All images can be scanned and spot checked, Chats are not private with Linden god mode powers. Log files can be reviewed. Words can be scanned for, voice can be monitored. No behavior is hidden away from anyone as SL is today. Every object and every speck of dust, in SL belongs to LL. Even just random samplings of chat and IM conversations and bans would easily be a huge deterrent if being banned meant losing valuable master accounts and all items and land and alts as well.

Because LL won't make it their job to manage it, then real life policing steps in. Had Blizzard been so dumb as to not make policing their world a priority, then their even more risky pedo potential----(since all ages are mixed together)-- would be crawling with real life police, chasing real life creeps. and it would be seen in article and newspapers and congressmen investigations. And if Blizzard didn't make it bannable to alter your avatar's appearance, then it would be the same stuff seen there. Blizzard must have paid much more attention to their crystal ball then LL did. Because SL has lots of porn in general, naturally the company should have done everything in their power, to prevent any strong need for real life police and government intervention.

LL should have had better powers to forsee what was coming. In reality LL has risked the entire venture and residents investments by allowing unlimited free accounts, into a virtual reality that has minimal restricitions, even when they know that will bring in all the dangers and potential for Real Life legal issues. Rather then take their time to sort out the thorny issues and develop plans to deal with them, they opened the floodgates and so now, there is no one else to blame for the potential bad press.

Would you truly want to come to SL if everything you saw, wrote, said or did was actively monitired by either LL or worse yet some government entity? If that is what is to come, I'd rather see SL fold up. We are headed down that road far too fast in RL as it is.

And if you mention WoW or Blizzard one more time, I am going to put a contract out on you.

Fixed that for you.

And which words do you want filtered? Breast? There goes the Relay for Life Breast Cancer events. The 7 dirty words according to Carlin? Dick? Well I hope the vice president never logs in.

You are going well beyond "Protecting the Childrenz" and stepping into censorship and thought control. But from a "progressive" what else could I expect.

The residents of SL do a damn good job monitoring themselves.

If you don't like how the world is run, don't log in. It is a simple as that. You won't be exposed to the "pantheons of the lowest common denominators".

She probably would. I would guess her reply would be "I have nothing to hide..........".

Well I don't either, but I damn well don't want or need anyone listening in.

I know you've got nothing to hide.....I've seen the pictures.

And how exactly is this measured? Someone draws two cartoons having sex, so how does a court tell the "age" of those cartoons?

Quote:
Rebecca Proudhon.

" All images can be scanned and spot checked"

Replies.. try this... its Google, accessible by anyone who has access to a pc.

search was "BDSM age play", in images.. moderate safe search was on..

Rebecca, what is available to anyone who can press a button, is available, no doubt if i was curious i could find anything i wanted to find..

my point is.. the search was not age definable, even though the search words could be construed as such. one can search Google images using any word in the dictionary.. it does not make one an accomplice.. or define one as breaking a law.. the images one can recieve are results, not specifically definable as a search for a particular image, just ones that carry the search terms..


so imagine.. i redefine the search terms, because i know that searching for "teen loli" will take me via Google search to a set of images i know carry teen child sex.. because i have information that i know of.. now i certainly could be considered an accomplice.. i knew what to search for.. if it could be proven as such. ie there is some knowledge that i recieved that info then used it ....but how would one define the same attributes to someone who just happened to use those words in their search.. and recieved the same images..?

do you say that any image is against the law.. it might just carry numbers.. 123456.jpg.. not anything specific to sexual behaviour..

Is your suggestion that every single image must be seen by a moderator in SL before it can be used..? SL would come to a standstill... it wouldnt work i think.. it would be like every car entering a motorway would have to show that it had legal tyres.. by visible inspection.. before it could use the motorway...

what underage sex is called.. may not be what one expects.. where an image is labelled.


prettyflowers.jpg... your imagination, your will, the way...

I would bet money that there is BDSM sexual cyber-play in WoW as well.

And since WoW doesnt even have the pretense of being 18+, there are guaranteed to be teenage participants in such cyber-play.

GTFO!!!

HOw Frickin' Sad does a person's life have to be? That's just beyond pitiful.

Something WoW does not do. Gmail & other free email services = unlimited number of free trials and alts.

Help > report abuse. Includes a screenshot, something the wow system does not.

You are also aware it can take weeks to hear from a WoW gm except under certain high priority flags?

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It's just a fact of life that SL has to be monitored one way or another as unappealing as that sounds. It's just because of the pantheons of lowest common denominators---and also because SL has in it all kinds of hard core porn and what society at large, would deem as deviant or suspect behavior. [/quote]

Go outside and look at the real world, here is a clue - it's far worse than SL can ever be. And which society? In some places the violence in wow is more despised than the sexual areas in SL.... Heck WoW has quests related to genocide, rape (several), and other far nastier things... and it lets anyone with a credit card (or a simple time card) in to play with a simple fake your info sign up page.



There is a teen grid, because they did foresee as well as any human the nature of the beast in giving adults free reign with user created content.

It's why they are the most populated online world with user created content, it's not like the corporate filtered worlds it allows people the freedom to build and create what they enjoy.

LL can not sudden sanitize the grid anymore than someone can sanitize the internet. No matter how many politicians seeking votes promise to clean up the internet it's not possible.

Short of a complete wipe of the grid and turning it into a There clone... it's not happening.

And LL knows that would also kill the service, even driving away the people that aren't here for the sex oriented stuff. (try exploring furry in There and the like)

Edit: and guess what. Wow doesn't do chat monitoring! they act on reports of the community. Because the subcultures are still there and active. Take the fallout when they banned or tried to ban the gay/lesbian/bisexual guilds. The fallout was too much for them and they got burned bad on it.

Blizzard is not omnipotent, it relies on the community to help police it's violent and sexually suggestive content (check the armor & clothing for the ladies... some of which makes the SL fashions look tame)

Plus they have the same disclaimer as LL : Online content may change