UK folks, take care: new laws

I bought up this case a few months ago, u might remember, and did say that the UK is getting more tough on sites, whatever they are, be it game/ platform/ or website.

Phil is wrong to say its not worth talking about, because theres more gathering clouds of uk politics meddling in Internet content.

But actually policing the 30,000 or so uk folk that perhaps go online during the week, is going to be difficult, u can be in a bdsm castle one momment, and teleport out of it, of u dont like it, in 15 secs....but Im rebuilding my lesbian palace again soon when AOL finally get my broadband back 3rd June, my walls are covered with lesbian scenes, but the only bdsm stuff I show is posed girls, but it is worrying for us people in uk who do use images of a sexual nature in there clubs/premises, this new law, like the homo tiolet public indencency laws, and even possessing kiddie porn, for research, like the actor did for a project, (he was made a scapegoat , and should never had been prosecuted)....!!

Any way we will see, i just hope linden labs dont split second life up in to two, like Ebay, where UK citizans cant access mature content, because Ebay is nervous of breaking another countries rules, Us uk folk are banned from seeing /buying or selling in usa mature section!...if that does happen, then no uk folk will be able to access Second life at all, in any shape or form. because linden would just have to put a blanket ban, on most european countries, to protect themselves from possible prosecution, for allowing the content to be accessed in a country that is now passing new laws, Im very fearful of the future of SL in the UK, and it would be a tragedy if these new laws does make Linden ban access to us ((


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Then get people rilled up at home to actually write in asking why they are pushing laws that punish the innocent? Get people to realize if they don't say "hey wait a minute" then they are simply going to be sheep in the chutes wondering what the light at the end is.

It's important to understand that this law will cover POSSESSION, not distribution.

In other words, the Lindens aren't in danger of prosecution for supplying the material to you. But if you view the materail, it is possessed on your hard disk and so YOU can be prosecuted. Because you made a request, and you should have expected that a BDSM area could contain that kind of thing, even teleporting away doesn't save you from it. If the Lindens don't take any action to stop you accessing the material, then you may be unable to teleport to any BDSM-themed area, because there might be material there. BUT.. to stop you accessing the material they don't have to ban access to the land parcel entirely - only to not load the particular texture in question. For a UK person to still visit the site but to see grey panels replacing some paintings on the walls wouldn't restrict their freedom too much.

When I first type it I had included IMO--but then changed it. In the context of the world as it is today --yes it is a fact. The only possible solution to prevent that could have been LL really having their act together in this regard.



As if primitive filtering is what I am talking about,





Baloney Chris. First realize that what I am saying is inevitable It's not my opinion---it's what will be imposed in this world because of the way this world is and the way the social reality works. You want a world with no censorship? Good Luck in finding one.





It's not a resident's job to monitor SL. Residents want to work or play without having to worry about crap like this. It's LL's job, or the governement's job. Your remark is relative in terms of self monitoring. What that means is MOST people are NOT total sleezy pervert pedo maniacs--but some are. Sleezy pervert pedo maniacs, don't monitor themselves very well and can get accounts with fake info and not care if they never use that alt again.



With all your pretense as some sort of Thomas Paine or Patrick Henry of the SL forums, you sure like to stifle opinion. You want to censor me? Guess so.

See how hypocritical that is?

Yumiare are you just trying to scare people?

I do not see you provide any real guidance in your postings. This would therefore seem no more than a typical troll thread.

Lets all feed the troll and bring in age play to make it fatter.

I don't know of any real guidance and I'm not deliberately scaremongering. I just needed to post a warning. If I'm giving any guidance it's that people should take down such textures so that UK people can visit areas safely, but I know that they have the right to refuse to do that, so there's not a lot I can suggest.

You're right - some of the interpretations I've suggested of the law might not be upheld in court. The problem is, if you just go ahead and access those areas on SL anyway, and you do get prosecuted, then you have to go to court on a charge of "downloading extreme pornography". You might win the lawsuit, but what happens with your family? Your friends? Your boss?

No, you have every right to spew your statist propaganda. I just don't know why if SL is such a pit of scum you continue logging in. Personally, I could not stand WoW, so I uninstalled it from my computer never again to log in to it.


How many "sleezy, pervert pedo maniacs" have you come in contact with? One? Two? Ten? I have been here at least 6 hours a day for the last 19 months. During that time I have filed two (2) AR's against people having child AV's in clearly adult areas. So for every 1700 hours I am in world I meet one "sppm". Is your rate higher than that? Lower?

As for it being inevitable that we have Big Brother looking over our shoulder, it is only if people like you get your way. There are a hell of a lot of us fighting against people like you.

It should be obvious by now that society is asking for changes in the Internet. Assume it will happen.



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I understand, but SL is Not the internet---that LL makes bad choices about how they have set it up is their mistakes. Knowing what kind of world they have, should clue them in to the reality that without lots of internal control, the real world will come in instead, to fill their void.

As far as the technology goes....all that is fixable. Ingenuity can solve things if they but make it a top priority.

If society did not want the content on the internet it wouldn't be there. There would be no reason to put it online.



The internet and second life are both about freedom to do what you want, they knew there would be the adult content (hence land being PG or mature). Hence them having a teen grid




Fix what? It's not broken.

Pretty naive and/or paranoid post Chris.

Battling windmills of your mind?

You still do not understand what I said and still do get that I am not even bringing my personal opinions into it. I am just like a parent trying to tell a child the dangers of playing with matches in a gas station. It has nothign to do with my opinion of matches or gas stations...its just reality. You want to dream otherwise ? be my guest.

It's a disaster Mort... and here comes the REAL WORLD to flatten it further. Congrats LL and all the defender of errors. Nice going. Your laissez faire is lazy and not fair.

yet we don't ban children, or matches from being at Gas Stations.

Nor do we install cameras in people's cars to make sure they don't have matches and/or children when they pull into the station lot.

Nope, the car will be searched and all passengers subjected to a full cavity search at the entrance to the gas station.

Every thing you have typed has been your personal opinion. You have spouted your "people need to be controlled" crap for as long as you have been here. If it is not your opinion, you sure hide your thoughts well. People like you think you know best how everyone else should live. Think of it this way Rebecca, every time you exclaim "There ought to be a law!!!!" What you are really saying is "The government should be empowered to kill those who don't behave or think the way I think they should." Every law is based up on "Obey or we will kill you."

Same has been said about the evil internet for over a decade.

And whose morality shall be enforced on the adults that use the service? Because none of that porn and adult stuff you consider needing to be purged is illegal for adults to see or use. else you could AR it and get it removed.

It is a moral objection of yours and others to the content, and that can not be fixed by technology

lets just install a chip in everyone and scan them when they pull in.

Great idea, then we can have a new buraucracy to monitor all our movement all the time.

People have repetitively attempted to do so with litigation, however.

We never learn our lesson.

Its too bad the constitution hadnt included a clause along these lines ..

"Laws exist to protect people and their property. Not to ensure they do what we want them to."

IF children with matches and gas station explosions started happening constantly and there had been some severe stories on the news then new regulations would be instituted. That is the point, people seem to miss.

Are people tryign to say they prefer no controls to ingenious controls?

Everyone happy with how the internet is going these days? The internet is becomeing a pile of crap. Ads, redundancy, scamming, gamed searches, pollution of all kinds, .....viruses, key loggers, etc.

You like it that way? You want SL to be just as sick and sleazy and fundamentally gamed as the internet?

Well sorry but normal people will make it change and it is no loss of liberty except to the pond scum.

Yep, but lawmakers are starting to get the burn now.

A good example is the states with the laws facing off against the EFF and getting burned badly with having to pay the EFF expenses for fighting the laws (Louisiana comes to mind as a prime example)

It makes the tax payer stand up when their representatives are caught on camera "Yeah I knew it was unconstitutional, but couldn't risk my career not voting to protect the children"

Why do I see you on the forefront to ban certain books at schools... to protect the children.

You can't force your moral code on others without them lashing back Rebecca.

If you know where to look, the internet is a wonderful place without any of those problems. But if you go out searching for the dark sides then you will find them. Just like the really real world.

When some people think that any contol and protection is akin to paranoid brain implants and all the other paranoid nonsense and are so suspicious of "Big Brother," that they think even the slightest effort is taking away liberty, then I think those people are missing a few of their marbles.


Were LL to suddenly change their short sighted priorities and really start to develop some ingeniuos ways to protect SL from criminal aspects....they still would NOT be reinventing the wheel, just doing what they should have done since day one.

Because your comprehension is around 9th grade level?





My "moral code" is not the point silly person. The society decides what is sick and devient and what isn't and there is no big controversy as to what is legally sick and devient and what is not, when it comes to certain categories of porn and behaviors. This does not take a rocket scientist to figure out.





You are inadvertently being a hypocrite Mort.

Germany has many laws for internet content that are physically impossible to comply to and physically impossible to test for, like the demand for a backup of anything that you ever have send to any host within germany for further investigation,wich is just too much data for anything, but often it is the dumb idea that counts.

Nope, I pointed out nothing short of that is a guaranteed way to verify who is at the computer or the identity of the person that set up the account.

Might i suggest you consider identity theft incidents as a prime example of how the systems can be gamed. It's been done where someone has taken the name and social of a deceased individual and created a false identity... or even just a living person's identity (much more common now)




Criminal, I though you were complaining about the legit users viewing artwork and experience situations that you find morally wrong?

If they do something illegal AR them.